He says he used HGH, anabolic steroids, and amphetamines and names LOTS of people (that will come out sooner or later, they're redacted in the affidavit, at least a dozen). Says there used to be coffee pots that had "unleaded" and "leaded" (without amphetamines and with amphetamines respectively) in the clubhouse.

http://www.azcentral.com/pdfs/060706grimsley.pdf

[Edited on June 7, 2006 at 8:37 AM. Reason : .]

6/7/2006 8:11:02 AM

amphetamines in baseball isnt exactly groundbreaking.

it was rampant and not dissallowed till recently.

6/7/2006 8:12:39 AM

amphetamines were not disallowed til recently, eh? so i guess the fact that its been an illegal class 3 controlled substance according to the federal government doesnt matter because baseball didnt specifically "disallow" it until "recently"?

6/7/2006 9:40:49 AM

babe ruth used amphetamines

6/7/2006 9:45:04 AM

i dunno who used amphetamines, i just know anybody who makes an excuse validating the use of illegal substances in sports just because the sport didnt specifically ban them is just making excuses...i know the statues of Major League Baseball have precedence over the statues of the United States Federal Government

6/7/2006 9:50:02 AM

^ (fyi, they're statutes )

I think it's funny it's the IRS doing the criminal investigation personally.

6/7/2006 10:03:17 AM

ahahaha whoops typo

6/7/2006 10:12:00 AM

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=olney_buster&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fespn%2fblog%2findex%3fname%3dolney_buster

Anyone with an insider account willing to post article?

6/7/2006 12:51:07 PM

ok kramer

6/7/2006 12:52:11 PM

YOU MEAN ITS NOT JUST THE BARRY-BONDS?

6/7/2006 1:44:13 PM

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"i know the statues of Major League Baseball have precedence over the statues of the United States Federal Government"

Actually they do sometimes. Case in point, the antitrust exemption.

6/7/2006 2:49:17 PM

so i want all of you fucking idiots to come on here and personally apologize for defending barry bonds when this affidavit mentions his name.

6/7/2006 3:09:57 PM

they cheat in college too

6/7/2006 3:23:25 PM

^^^name me one situation regarding any type of drug or medicine or controlled substance, where it is illegal according to federal laws, but its legal in baseball

And I don't mean "legal in baseball" as in baseball doesn't explicity forbid/ban the substance

I mean hypothetically...if baseball didn't test for anabolic steroids...but according to United States law, anabolic steroids were illegal...transitive property would suggest that anabolic steroids are illegal for baseball players to take

6/7/2006 3:28:59 PM

what you're asking for is logically impossible

6/7/2006 3:30:52 PM

thats what i thought

but i've seen people try to justify it the past couple years on here about bonds

6/7/2006 3:32:45 PM

I guess the question then is did it affect the game enough for anything to be done after the fact? In Bonds case with the steroids, it obviously would have had an effect. Greenies.. I'm not so sure other then playing everyday.

You can smoke weed and do lines and you won't have any records stripped.. (that is a horrible comparison but it is the only thing I can think of to make my point)...

Question... what are the chances Ripken took Amphetamines. Guy was ready to go everyday...

^^^ but you right with that..

[Edited on June 7, 2006 at 3:33 PM. Reason : xz]

6/7/2006 3:33:02 PM

Legal or not, if MLB isn't testing and imposing sanctions for a performance-enhancing drug, they are willfully enabling it's use. That is the issue, not whether it was "legal".

6/7/2006 3:38:39 PM

^^even though smoking weed and doing lines arent what most people would consider performance enhancing drugs...its still illegal for baseball players to do those things

ripken couldve taken amphetamines...but i also remember some days during his games played streak where he would apparently be under the weather but he would play anyway to keep the streak alive, even if he was hurting his team...but i dunno

^willfully enabling? thats bullshit...if something is illegal according to federal laws, it is illegal in the united states, regardless of if you are an MLB ball player or a McDonalds worker or a stock trader...you can blame baseball for not being as proactive as they probably should have been, but you also have to blame the players who juiced...I mean, if I was going 80mph down the street, but there werent any THIRD PARTY CONTROLLED SPEED CAMERAS to take my picture and give me a ticket, that doesnt mean the city is willfully enabling me going 80mph...because theres a bigger set of rules, like regulatory signs OF THE GOVERNMENT, aka speed limits

6/7/2006 3:38:40 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2474291

6/7/2006 3:38:53 PM

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"because theres a bigger set of rules, like regulatory signs OF THE GOVERNMENT, aka speed limits"

But by fact everyone breaks those limits, it's just that only the worst get punished by the government. When we go down the highway, we know that if we go 60 or sometimes 65 in a 55 a cop is not going to pull us over. If cops enforced 55 regardless of whether we are going 56 or 76, no one would go over 55. But, like baseball players in the steroids scandal, we know what we can do and get away with.

It's like a town deciding they do not see any point in having a police department. "The residents know the laws and know the speed limits." I wouldn't call it willfully enabling, but more Bud Selig saying "ignorance is bliss".

[Edited on June 7, 2006 at 4:35 PM. Reason : .]

6/7/2006 4:34:32 PM

either way, its just trying to justify them doing something wrong...its passing the blame...its virtually ignoring the fact that these players cheated

6/7/2006 4:48:40 PM

It is not ignoring the fact that these players cheated to point out Bud Selig's philosophy of "ignorance is bliss".

6/7/2006 5:11:42 PM

well bud selig is a slack ass

but is david koresh the only one to blame for Waco?
is charles manson the only one to blame for his peoples' murders back in the day?

obviously those examples are much more extreme than steroids in baseball but i dont think all the people who used roids because they could get away with it are in the right

6/7/2006 5:19:22 PM

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"HGH issue suddenly eruptsposted: Wednesday, June 7, 2006 | Feedback The powers that be in baseball claim ignorance about steroid use in the 1990s. We didn't have enough information, they say. Red flags didn't go up until the summer of 1998, they say. The media didn't do any stories, they say (as if that is a litmus test on whether they should do their jobs). We didn't knowingly turn a blind eye to the problem, they say. They cannot say that now, as another performance-enhancer scandal breaks. Check out the stunning details contained within the affidavit on the Arizona Republic Web site: According to court documents, Jason Grimsley acknowledged using human growth hormone after feds anticipated a delivery of the stuff to his home and confiscated two kits. The IRS agent who prepared the affidavit also quotes Grimsley as saying he thought "boatloads" of players were getting HGH from the same source he was using, and Grimsley allegedly named names of players within the game; those names are blacked out in the public version of the affidavit. Court documents do not equal a conviction, but the information within the affidavit is going to frighten folks within the game. Just like we knew that the details within the Ken Starr investigation on Monica Lewinsky would leak, you can bet that the blacked-out names in this affidavit will get out, and remember -- Grimsley played with the Phillies, the Indians, the Royals, the Angels, the Yankees, the Orioles, all over the map. According to the documents, Grimsley told investigators he has used human growth hormone exclusively of late. Something like this was inevitable, because the current science of testing and the framework of baseball's drug-testing program effectively funnel all would-be cheaters toward the ramification-free option of HGH. Human growth hormone is on baseball's banned substance list, and at the same time, there is no reliable test to detect HGH. But there are means of deterrence, and baseball has not taken those steps. It's as if the Players Association and Major League Baseball told everybody not to speed down the HGH highway and then failed to deploy any radar guns to catch the would-be cheaters. Labs are still attempting to develop a reliable test for human growth hormone; in late February, some experts said they expected to have that test in place by late summer. But, as one baseball executive noted, "We've been hearing that for years." What the Players Association and Major League Baseball could do is to draw blood samples and urine samples from players and store them indefinitely, and tell the players: Look, we don't have a test for HGH yet, but when we do, whether it's in six months or six years, we are going to test your blood and your urine, and you will be held accountable for what we find. But there are no blood tests of any kind within Major League Baseball's testing. The samples are not stored indefinitely; they are eventually discarded. This could be a strong deterrent, the big stick to hold over the head of the would-be cheaters. And baseball is not using it. In fairness, Major League Baseball has been the driving force behind the current testing system; Bud Selig deserves credit for pushing the union this far. It's time for the player representatives to instruct union Don Fehr and Gene Orza to step up and do what they failed to do in the '90s and earlier in this decade: Adopt all possible means to protect the interests of the players who don't want to take performance-enhancing drugs. In the '90s, players who didn't want to take steroids were compelled to consider the use of the drugs because they believed -- rightly -- that players they were competing against for jobs were using steroids. Some clean players who wanted to stay clean became dirty. We have stepped back in time now. Same situation, different drugs. Unless the union leadership finally becomes vigilant in its effort to clean up the sport, clean players again will be forced to consider taking performance-enhancing drugs. Players, executives and scouts strongly believe there are those using human growth hormone in baseball, and now we have the first tip of the HGH iceberg. It's time for the commissioner to scream for an immediate adjustment to the testing system -- to include blood tests and sample storage -- and for the Players Association to serve the silent majority within the union and embrace the necessary changes. The powers that be have learned that their failures of the '90s have led to the diminishment of the accomplishments of an entire generation. A dark cloud will forever hang over the legacy of Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire and other stars. The commissioner and the union must do everything possible to eliminate the shrouds of doubt that will hover over the next generation. This time around, they have full knowledge. This time around, the media has sounded the alarm. This time, they know what the problem is and how they can attempt to solve it. The fallout from the BALCO case forced the union leadership to take its steroid problem more seriously. Let's see if the Grimsley case forces the union to address the HGH problem in the same way. "

6/7/2006 5:21:24 PM

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"It's as if the Players Association and Major League Baseball told everybody not to speed down the HGH highway and then failed to deploy any radar guns to catch the would-be cheaters."

ahahaha everybodys using the same analogies

6/7/2006 5:31:18 PM