Ozzie Guillen is such a tool.

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"Report: Rookie to be demoted for missing Blalock ESPN.com news services White Sox rookie pitcher Sean Tracey got into hot water with his manager Ozzie Guillen -- for getting an out. Tracey was summoned to start the seventh inning and got Hank Blalock to ground out, but getting an out might not have been the reason Tracey was brought into the game. White Sox catcher A.J. Pierzynski was hit by two pitches in the game and a source told the Chicago Sun-Times that Tracey was told to hit Blalock as retaliation. Tracey threw two inside pitches to Blalock before getting him to ground out. After getting the out, Tracey was removed from the game. Guillen slammed a water bottle to the ground when Blalock grounded out and the manager then brought Agustin Montero into pitch. Guillen was then seen in the dugout barking at Tracey, who pulled the collar of his jersey over his head. Guillen didn't address why he screamed at Tracey and had a different explanation why he took the rookie out of the game. "I tried to get Montero ready [to face Blalock] and wasn't able to. It was a little late," Guillen explained. "It was my mistake. I didn't get him up quick enough. I didn't want Tracey in that situation." Tracey refused comment. A source told the Sun-Times that Tracey was informed he was being demoted to Triple-A after the game. "Ozzie went nuts,'' one source told the newspaper. Pierzynski was hit by pitches his first two at-bats, prompting home plate umpire Phil Cuzzi to issue warnings to both benches in the fourth. "I don't know what the deal was. He had pretty good control and then he runs two first pitches in on me," Pierzynski said. `Why did he do it? You're going to have to ask him. I faced him maybe two times in the National League." Vicente Padilla didn't comment after the game. "

6/15/2006 11:20:51 AM

MLB should step in and suspend Ozzie Guillen or the Players Association should atleast try to defend this guy Tracey. I saw the highlight today and I cannot believe how Ozzie was acting - he is fucking insane.

6/15/2006 11:24:35 AM

there is only one true ozzie

6/15/2006 11:27:20 AM

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"Ozzie Guillen is such a tool."

Fuck him.

I didn't like him as a player, and he is worse as a manager.

6/15/2006 11:30:39 AM

retaliation is part of the game.

6/15/2006 11:45:42 AM

that's definitely not cool. I hope the best for that kid...

That situation is almost as bad as it was during the strike. You had scabs crossing the line to play. Managers were bringing up minor league kids to play. What do you do? If you have a real shot at a MLB career, you don't want to piss off the players union or the other players. They'd make life hell for you. But what if you were that guy who probably would never make it. That's an easy decision then, go play in the bigs...

but for the other role... man, do you tell the manager no and face that retribution, or tell the manager yes and piss off the union/players?

6/15/2006 11:48:23 AM

so texas beans a white sox guy twice and then both benches are warned, meaning retaliation is now ejection

bullshit umpring

I changed my mind, ozzie is a dick for calling out a AAA pitcher and throwing him under the bus

tracey vasquez still should've plunked him though

[Edited on June 15, 2006 at 12:02 PM. Reason : .]

6/15/2006 11:49:02 AM

and wait a minute, since when did nym410 start hating ozzie guillen?

6/15/2006 11:50:05 AM

i dont see how this is any different than if the manager gave a batter the bunt signal and he refused to bunt...

if you cant follow directions then you're a liability to the team... teach the kid a lesson.

6/15/2006 12:06:01 PM

^ very true.

He was either issued a very simple instruction, or it should have been painfully clear what he was supposed to do. I feel bad for the kid because he is 25 and cant follow directions.

6/15/2006 12:09:31 PM

^^^ nah, I don't really hate him. I have a problem with how he handled this though. He shouldn't have done THAT in the dugout. You tell the kid what you need to tell him to get your point across but you don't berate the kid in full view of the TV cameras, the rest of the team, and the fans..

6/15/2006 12:13:37 PM

THIS IS WHY BASEBALL IS STUPID.....A PLAYER IS DEMOTED BY THE COACH FOR NOT PEGGING A GUY AND JOHN CHENEY IS FUCKING CRUCIFIED BY THE MEDIA FOR PUTTING A GUY IN A GAME TO GIVE A HARD FOUL.........YOU DON'T SEE THE MEDIA ASKING FOR OZZIE'S HEAD????....BULLSHIT

JUST LIKE A FEW WEEKS AGO WHEN EVERYONE FREAKED OUT BECAUSE ROBINSON PULLED HIS CATCHER...WHO FUCKING CARES IF THE CATCHER IS GETTING OWNED GET HIM OUT OF THE FUCKING GAME!!!

THESE ARE TWO OF MANY REASONS WHY I CAN'T GET WITH BASEBALL....OH YEAH AND THAT HGH THING IS KINDA SHITTY

6/15/2006 12:33:34 PM

^I don't even know where to start, so I won't.

6/15/2006 12:35:57 PM

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"the Players Association should atleast try to defend this guy Tracey."

fuck that

pitchers have to know they jeopardize their teammates when they intentionally bean people

one of this guys teammates got hit TWICE and he is fucking throwing ground outs?

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"retaliation is part of the game."

6/15/2006 12:39:11 PM

if i were an AL batter and my pitcher intentionally beaned someone for any reason other than retaliation, i would pee on him in his sleep

6/15/2006 12:56:38 PM

hahahahahah

another reason we should all say "fuck the AL"

6/15/2006 1:09:44 PM

it was AJ that got beaned he probably deserved it.

6/15/2006 1:15:17 PM

I like how Randy Johnson and Joe Torre were suspended for one game, despite the fact that Johnson didn't even hit the batter.

go figure.

6/15/2006 1:15:44 PM

Tracey should've smoked Ozzie in tha grille

6/15/2006 1:17:49 PM

Retaliation is part of the game. The kid's got to learn to look out for his teammates.

6/15/2006 1:18:48 PM

This is why there should be fighting in baseball. Only a pussy throws a ball at someone instead of fighting like a man.

6/15/2006 1:38:05 PM

DEMOTE JORGE SOSA!

6/15/2006 1:39:16 PM

ozzie guillen is a strain on our society

i wish he was fucking dead

6/15/2006 1:51:16 PM

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"retaliation is part of the game."

6/15/2006 1:56:33 PM

no fucking shit retaliation is part of the game

i mean seriously, NO FUCKING SHIT

retaliation is not a mandatory part of the game, and if HEAVEN FORBID a pitcher gets an out instead of awarding a free base, theres no fucking way he should be punished

thats absolutely despicable

6/15/2006 1:58:00 PM

Throwing at each other is more womanly than flopping in soccer.

6/15/2006 2:01:55 PM

THIS DUDE IS A FUCKING ROOKIE TRYING TO PLAY HIS WAY INTO A ROTATION......I DON'T THINK HE SHOULD BE THROWN OUT THERE TO PEG SOMEONE THEN GET ATTACKED FOR AJ BEING A PUSSY AND NOT GOING AFTER THE PITCHER THE 2ND TIME HE GOT BEANED......FUCK THAT I KNOW "RETALIATION IS PART OF THE GAME" BUT WHAT IF THAT PITCHER BEAMED THAT GUY AND PERMANANTLY INJURED HIM...IF NOT WORSE GOT HIS ASS BEAT BY HIM AND INJURED HIMSELF.......NOW HE HAS TO TAKE A PAYCUT....FUCK THAT.....BASEBALL IS STUCK IN THE 20'S.....IF RETAILATION WAS PART OF BASKETBALL THEN JOHN CHENEY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN BLASTED FOR DOING PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING OZZIE DID.....

FUCK OZZIE
FUCK BASEBALL

ANYONE ELSE WHO DISAGREES SUPPORTS ROIDS...

6/15/2006 3:53:05 PM

does anything you post ever make sense?

6/15/2006 4:02:13 PM

fuck that . I'm with ozzie ... you've got to look out for your teammates. same with hitting in hockey. your teammate gets railroaded, you catch the guy the next time he's not lookign and send a message.

fighting is illegal and gets you suspended and fined... hitting batters to a point is not


this pc bullshit is why children shoot their parents. the kid got put in to protect his catcher. and basically spit in his face by not doing so.

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"JOHN CHENEY IS FUCKING CRUCIFIED BY THE MEDIA FOR PUTTING A GUY IN A GAME TO GIVE A HARD FOUL.........YOU DON'T SEE THE MEDIA ASKING FOR OZZIE'S HEAD????....BULLSHIT"

two uncomparable situations.

[Edited on June 15, 2006 at 4:05 PM. Reason : .]

6/15/2006 4:03:17 PM

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"rallydurham All American 7194 Posts user info edit post i dont see how this is any different than if the manager gave a batter the bunt signal and he refused to bunt... if you cant follow directions then you're a liability to the team... teach the kid a lesson."

So if your boss at your job wanted you to do something unethical and/or illegal, then you'd do it? I mean, we say this is just retaliation and part of the game, but I'm pretty sure intentionall assualting a player can go to court and will stand up there.

6/15/2006 4:05:40 PM

I'm not going to defend my Ozzie. i think everybody who knows me (in real life or on TWW) knows that I am Ozzie's #1 fan.

but....

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"I didn't like him as a player"

how the fuck can you not like him as a player? please enlighten us

6/15/2006 4:38:29 PM

^^seriously? thats your defense?

6/15/2006 4:45:15 PM

agreed

6/15/2006 4:47:16 PM

seriously

6/15/2006 4:48:17 PM

seriously

6/15/2006 4:48:32 PM

Yea, when a guys career and potentially life is on the line because of 100 mph balls coming at his head, then yea, it's a good defense. Don't play the slippery slope game with me.

6/15/2006 5:08:27 PM

by the way they demoted him because they traded with boston for a new relief pitcher, espn can blow me

6/15/2006 5:13:56 PM

There's a difference between head hunting and nailing someone in the back with a fastball. One is a shitty move, and the other is sending a message. And I seriously can't believe someone tried to say some bullshit about assault with a baseball. Unethical/illegal? Goddamn. That just hurts my head. This is the pussification of America.

6/15/2006 5:32:11 PM

this kid would be a star reliever if he threw 100mph

6/15/2006 6:10:27 PM

the sport of baseball is pussification as a whole

u cant make any argument involving the word "pussy" because baseball is pussy and that's that

6/15/2006 6:15:05 PM

^ good attempt, but the delivery is lacking

fat motherfucker

6/15/2006 6:19:38 PM

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"There's a difference between head hunting and nailing someone in the back with a fastball. One is a shitty move, and the other is sending a message. And I seriously can't believe someone tried to say some bullshit about assault with a baseball. Unethical/illegal? Goddamn. That just hurts my head. This is the pussification of America."

Haha, thank you for illustrating the slippery slope that I was referring to. Where do you want to draw the line then? Most of these guys have enough control to hit a guy in the back 50 times out 50 if that is what they are trying to do. But what if they aren't even trying to hit them. What if they are trying to brush them back, and being really liberal with their placement. The ball gets loose and before you know it, a kid is fucked for life. So where do you draw the line? Generally speaking, these guys can govern themselves, and it has been that way for many years. But all it takes is for one ref being a little bit lax with the enforcement, and one guy being a little bit too liberal for an accident to happen. Using beaning people with the ball as a weapon or strategy in the game should really have no place in the sport. How is this any different than tackling at the knees? Why not let this be used as a "weapon/strategy" such that the offense can't pass block as much for fear they will get their knees blown up?

WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE?

6/15/2006 6:29:20 PM

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"This is the pussification of America."

if the guy gets "loose" well the he's fucked. you're not paid to be in the majors to be "loose"

if he fucks up and hits someone in the head. well have some fucking responsibility. it's not the baseballs fault. hes' the dumbass that threw it in the vacinity of his head.

you can hit someone in the ass and say just as much as the shoulder etc. every baseball person knows when a hit was intentional because it is infact part of the game.


we dont call vehiclular manslaughter an "accident" because you didnt mean to do it.

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"How is this any different than tackling at the knees?"

because chopping is done maliciously with the intent to put people out of games. hitting people in the shoulder is done to tell cocksuckers to stop hitting your teammates.

if you have a life threatening injury from getting hit in the arm with a baseball ... you're too fucking frail and you need to invest in badmitten

[Edited on June 15, 2006 at 6:34 PM. Reason : again]

6/15/2006 6:30:14 PM

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"Yea, when a guys career and potentially life is on the line because of 100 mph balls coming at his head, then yea, it's a good defense. Don't play the slippery slope game with me."

1. i don't hear you crying for aj pyrzeinski

2. as stated, the guy prolly couldn't throw close to 100

3. he surely wasn't going to throw at the head

4. i'm not sure you know what the term "slippery slope" means

6/15/2006 6:42:41 PM

^^you need to invest in a Book of Spelling Correctly

[Edited on June 15, 2006 at 6:42 PM. Reason : h]

6/15/2006 6:42:46 PM

nah .. I just dont give enough of a fuck to spell check ... invest in a book of "you need something more important to chat about"


spelling != typing

[Edited on June 15, 2006 at 7:11 PM. Reason : .]

6/15/2006 7:11:02 PM

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"because chopping is done maliciously with the intent to put people out of games. hitting people in the shoulder is done to tell cocksuckers to stop hitting your teammates. if you have a life threatening injury from getting hit in the arm with a baseball ... you're too fucking frail and you need to invest in badmitten"

I know exactly what a slippery slope is, thanks much. And again, here we are. It's ok for a guy to throw heaters at his shoulder/arm area, but that surely isn't close to his brain or face or anything like that.

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"2. as stated, the guy prolly couldn't throw close to 100"

This is irrelevant and was hyperbole on my part, 90mph can probably do plenty of damange too.

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"3. he surely wasn't going to throw at the head"

Funny you mention me not knowing slippery slope, and you start mentioning anecdotal cases after I already stated "where do you draw the line"?

Heck, the best argument that can be used against my viewpoint of "beaning as a strategy" is that historically the game has regulated itself, with only one player dieing from getting hit. But like I said, how is killing a guy much different from chopping at the knees, blocks in the back, and other things that are banned in football, a much more violent sport?

6/15/2006 11:53:15 PM

Wow, all of this discussion about America and blah blah blah, and the real solution to issues like these is as simple as eliminating the DH. National league pitchers know without a doubt they will get drilled if they pull that stuff, and that's where the thinking ends, period. Remember when Clemmons faced the music and the pitcher threw it behind him, and everyone (including Clemmons) knew what it was coming.

Oh And Ozzie definitely needs to get suspended 3 games for such an incident to be visible. Getting upset after an out and screaming?? Uh yea, what you do, lose the lottery on the last number? Sorry, you let your emotions get the best of you there sport.

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6/16/2006 12:39:05 AM

no but i do remember when clemmons was a quiet town in forsyth county

6/16/2006 12:42:49 AM

on that mike and mike radio espn show that they show clips of, the fat mike pretty much called the rookie out as doing the absolute wrong thing in the situation

6/16/2006 12:43:14 AM