http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Aksau8rSZi5cYup2lc6fyR5DubYF?slug=jc-bush072106&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Makes you wonder how genius it is to sign your first round pick before the draft if you have that option. I think the Texans were afraid of this exact scenario, and also decided that they needed more help on the lines than in the backfield. Brings up the Eli Manning issue of, "Do players have rights such as choosing their first team?"

discuss.

7/22/2006 10:02:31 PM

The Saints are fucking idiots.

Like Sports Guy said, there should be a clause that allows for fans to occasionally cheer against their team. I'm taking my voucher.

Fucking wasted 2nd pick, wasted draft, wasted expectations, wasted history, wasted franchise.

Gotdamned situational multi-position players are NOT worth top pick status. This cat won't be full-time anywhere on the field. This is absurd, but unfortunately is a mere byproduct of the ESPN Reginald Lovefest. He feels entitled to more than he's worth, more than the man who was picked before him, more than any rookie has ever earned on an initial contract.

Saints brass went bad on their promise to fill a team need with the second overall pick and now have egg in the face for it. Dumb fuckers.

[Edited on July 22, 2006 at 10:10 PM. Reason : fuck ESPN. fuck ESPN. fuck ESPN. fuck ESPN. fuck ESPN. fuck ESPN. fuck ESPN. fuck ESPN. fuck ESPN.]

7/22/2006 10:06:52 PM

Like he would really sit out.

What team is gonna risk drafting him high the next year when he's done this already? I'm sure somebody will draft him, but not at #2.

He hasn't done jack yet and expects to get paid.

Ha. There's a glut of RB's in the NFL, most of whom have short careers. And he won't even be an every-down back.

Ha. The Saints are cursed.

7/22/2006 10:21:11 PM

he'll go to the CFL and collects his endorsement money. Seriously, would you play for the Saints? Crappy owner, crappy city, crappy team.

7/22/2006 10:34:15 PM

well he's already Saint Reginald (oddly enough, the ACTUAL St. Reginald is from Orleans):

http://www.catholic.org/hf/faith/story.php?id=20059

and he already deserves to be rookie of the year:

http://www.nola.com/saints/t-p/index.ssf?/base/sports-2/1151906459103650.xml&coll=1


goddamn I hate being associated with this team right about now.

7/22/2006 10:55:33 PM

It'd be funny if they lost the Saints and the Hornets at the same time.....still a real possibility within the next 10 years.

7/22/2006 11:01:07 PM

what a shock!!!

7/22/2006 11:16:59 PM

I had a feeling Reggie Bush would be ask for a lot of money with all of the hype surrounding him. He shouldn't ask for more money than Mario got, and the Saints shouldn't pay him more.

I think part of the reason Reggie is demanding such a high price tag, is because his value is so high and if he has a bad season or loses his "Superman" image, then he'll have a hard time getting a huge deal later.

The Texans must have known about this, a really good move on their part.

7/23/2006 12:18:55 AM

the funny part is that mario will still have more money than him if he holds out since he will have another year of pay under his belt.

7/23/2006 1:41:12 AM

Someone break this guy's knee already

He hasn't even been to 1 legit practice and I'm already beyond tired of him

7/23/2006 1:56:36 AM

i hate him because of his demand to break the NFL rules so he can wear his precious #5

he hasn't earned that

as a matter of fact, he hasn't done jack shit

he's done as much as TA

who was the last "second coming" in the NFL?

michael vick, who still gets his nuts ridden by ESPN as if he has proven himself to be more than a marginal asset IN REALITY, as opposed to "in theory, assuming he never gets hurt"

and he's got as many super bowl rings as i do

in conclusion, i hope reggie bush fails

7/23/2006 2:07:56 AM

Finally

people who agree with me

even if you aren't Saints fans

7/23/2006 2:15:12 AM

Hilarious.


When Philip Rivers held out it was "the Chargers are assholes"


but when Reggie Bush holds out "Reggie Bush is an asshole".


Just come out and say that you don't like black people already.

[Edited on July 23, 2006 at 3:44 AM. Reason : a]

7/23/2006 3:36:19 AM

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"michael vick, who still gets his nuts ridden by ESPN as if he has proven himself to be more than a marginal asset"

yeah really...i cant stand how espn tries to make him like hes the michael jordan of nfl before hes actually done something that can give him that claim

7/23/2006 3:38:15 AM

^^hahahahahaha hell yeah

[Edited on July 23, 2006 at 3:38 AM. Reason : f]

7/23/2006 3:38:30 AM

^state fans are pretty dumb...half of them are obsessed with unc, and unc is like uhhhhhhhhhhh we just really hate duke honestly

7/23/2006 3:42:25 AM

Quote :

"Just come out and say that you don't like black people already."

7/23/2006 3:46:16 AM

yea for real, alot of us are freakin embarassing

we skew polls so we can win Mascot tournaments

MASCOT TOURNAMENTS

we cheer against the success of the conference in spite of a team that we hate, UNC has nothing against us

7/23/2006 3:46:26 AM

Quote :

"UNC has nothing against us"

fuck that, we beat UNC a couple of years in a row in BBall or football and you'd see just how much they have against us. The only reason we don't hear it now is because we haven't been competitive.

7/23/2006 4:26:39 AM

UNC pretends to not care about us because thats be biggest sign of disrespect, when in fact they would hate nothing more than to start regularly losing to us.


And Phillip Rivers didnt try to get a ridiculous amount of money. He tried to get a fair contract, and settled for less overall money when he finally signed his contract so he wouldnt have to win like 34 superbowls to get it all. Reggie Bush is just jealous that he wasnt the #1 pick overall. bahaha

7/23/2006 9:31:48 AM

^ that's just false and you know it.

Philip held out because he wanted the same amount of money that Eli Manning got.

7/23/2006 9:59:31 AM

he wanted the same guaranteed money, instead of it all being locked up in incentives. either way, he never hinted at not signing and reentering the draft.

7/23/2006 10:40:59 AM

^^actually, that is not true

agent/phil both said that they did not necessarily want eli money, just a fair contract

don't have the specifics, but the chargers offer included incentives that were down right disrespectful

if bush really does want more money than mario, that is his fault, and he should be ridiculed....no agent should feel that his/her client has enough leverage to circumvent the system, draft order should = cash order

[Edited on July 23, 2006 at 10:46 AM. Reason : .]

7/23/2006 10:45:59 AM

^i think if the team wants to pay a second pick more than a first, they can do what they want, but surely no player should feel like they can demand more money as a second pick than a first

7/23/2006 12:12:54 PM

^that is what i was saying

a team can do whatever the fuck they want

but this CAN'T and I emphasize CAN'T be grounds for a player holding out

7/23/2006 12:38:44 PM

You guys have some really selective memories.

Quote :

"no agent should feel that his/her client has enough leverage to circumvent the system, draft order should = cash order"

This was precisely the case in the Philip Rivers situation. He was offered ~$39 million but was holding out for Eli Manning money (~$45 million). He said that since he was TRADED for Eli (not even close to straight up mind you) that he should be paid like the #1 pick.

He was then offered $40.5 million and again turned it down. A week or two later he settled for the $40.5 million.

The "incentives" you are referring to were badly skewed by NC State fans who were trying to defend River's ridiculous position.

He was holding out for Eli money and the Chargers said "fine, meet these incentives and we'll give you better than Eli money". It was their way of saying "go fuck yourself you greedy bastard".

Philip Rivers did the same illogical thing that Reggie Bush is doing. The difference is that Reggie Bush is way more of a known quantity than Philip was.

If you weren't bashing Rivers two years ago, please keep silent on the Bush affair.

[Edited on July 23, 2006 at 12:47 PM. Reason : a]

7/23/2006 12:46:06 PM

You gotta keep in mind that it's not the players that say these things, it's the agents. Rivers never said, "I deserve to be paid as much as Eli", his agent did. Same with Bush and whoever this guy is who is hinting that he might hold out all year. These are typical negotiation ploys designed to get a team to fork up more cash.

Now if Bush actually makes good on his agent's threat, despite the Saints offering him a great deal, then you gotta ask if you can trust the guy and just how special he THINKS he is.

7/23/2006 3:07:56 PM

Quote :

"Rivers gets $40.5 million deal -- plus $14.25M signing bonus"

that was the deal he signed for

you are missing a lot of shit here rally....

nfl contracts involve signing bonuses, guranteed money, length of contract, and incentives

find me one quote where rivers camp said, "i will not sign, and wait until next years draft if I don't get eli money".....and if you can, then i will hate philip equally with reggie

the chargers are a notoriously cheap organization, LT held out, and they have had plenty of other contract issues over the years. you have no idea when the time frame of those incentives were, you are just making that up to serve your point. from all that i can ascertain, those were the incentives that were offered from day 1 of the negotiations, i read about them before rivers even missed a regular season game

anyways, all of these situations are different, to just say that you think philip demanded "eli money or else" and we need to hate him equally is just fucking stupid without looking at all of the other circumstances

rivers held out, i was unhappy with the decision he made, did not think it was wise, and thought he should shelf the ego a bit for a chance at a starting job.

7/23/2006 5:43:28 PM

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"we cheer against the success of the conference in spite of a team that we hate, UNC has nothing against us"

fuck the conference

Michigan fans dont pull for Ohio State
Indiana fans dont pull for Purdue
UCLA fans dont pull for USC
Auburn fans dont pull for alabama
Colorado fans dont pull for nebraska

etc fucking etc

[Edited on July 23, 2006 at 5:50 PM. Reason : d]

7/23/2006 5:49:34 PM

Quote :

"Brings up the Eli Manning issue of, "Do players have rights such as choosing their first team?""

Eli Manning? Try John Elway.

7/23/2006 5:59:25 PM

Quote :

"the chargers are a notoriously cheap organization, LT held out, and they have had plenty of other contract issues over the years."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2526724

[Edited on July 23, 2006 at 6:10 PM. Reason : having issues this year, too.]

7/23/2006 6:10:27 PM

Quote :

"Eli Manning? Try John Elway."

Eli has nothing on Elway

he doesn't even have anything on his brother, who also has nothing on Elway

7/23/2006 6:18:53 PM

How are you going to blame Bush when the team in question is owned by Benson?

7/23/2006 9:45:24 PM

Camp Reginald are the ones saying no.

Obviously the Saints want him, they passed up the opportunity to fill holes at LB, OT, and CB to draft him.

7/23/2006 9:57:19 PM

I'd like to know whether the Saints are offering him Mario Williams type money or John McCargo money before throwing him under the bus.

7/23/2006 10:54:37 PM

^ that's a good point... what are they offering... if it's less than he's worth then he has every right not to sign with them...

7/23/2006 10:57:54 PM

yea he does have every right not to, but for his future in the NFL it would be wiser for him to do so


this primadonna image is horrible to have, ask Moss, T.O., Eli (til last year, he did well enough), Rivers (especially if he fucking bombs this year), Portis (about getting his number), etc

so after all this, he better do some fucking damage

7/23/2006 11:01:44 PM

Dude, if it comes out that he's being offered McCargo money, I highly doubt any team is going to go "oh wow, what a primadonna"

7/23/2006 11:03:47 PM

well i think that sthe low end bet to take

unless saints really are that fuckin dumb

7/23/2006 11:25:22 PM

Reginald wants MORE money than Mario Williams. Despite being the 2nd pick. Because he FEELS he was SUPPOSED to go first. Wannabe privileged ass muhfucka. That's like if Matt Leinart were to say "I should have gone 3rd, so pay me like the 3rd overall pick"

He has already

- lost out on being the top pick overall, due to his ridiculous demands
- lost out on getting the NFL to change their rules, so he can wear number 5
- stated that he would only donate to hurricane relief if he got to wear 5
- ^ backpedaled on that stipulation after it appeared that the NFL would not change the rule
- been rumored as saying that he doesn't wanna play for the Saints

and now this.

pretty soon he will find that he won't dominate the league as much as expected, whether it's this year or next year. he'll find that NFL defenses are 20x better than the shit he faced in the wac-10.

7/23/2006 11:33:26 PM

Quote :

"find me one quote where rivers camp said, "i will not sign, and wait until next years draft if I don't get eli money".....and if you can, then i will hate philip equally with reggie the chargers are a notoriously cheap organization, LT held out, and they have had plenty of other contract issues over the years. you have no idea when the time frame of those incentives were, you are just making that up to serve your point. from all that i can ascertain, those were the incentives that were offered from day 1 of the negotiations, i read about them before rivers even missed a regular season game"

I just did this like 6 months ago on here.

It's a known fact that Rivers was offered the deal he signed about two weeks before he finally agreed to it.

The "crazy incentives" didnt come into play until Rivers repeatedly turned down $39 million and held out for Eli's contract.

It was the CHargers way of saying there is no fucking way we're giving you Eli money.

The whole thing played out on this message board 2 years ago and i documented it all again ~6 months ago when someone started this same fight.

State fans just have a selective memory when it comes to the Golden Boy. 90% of them don't even remember that he had a relatively bad Sophomore season and a lackluster junior season. His freshman season was awesome as was his senior year (minus his gloryhog attempt that cost us the OSU game of course) but the two in between were definitely short of spectacular.

[Edited on July 23, 2006 at 11:55 PM. Reason : a]

7/23/2006 11:55:44 PM

IF IT AINT RED AND WHITE IT AINT RIGHT REMEMBER

and

Quote :

"- stated that he would only donate to hurricane relief if he got to wear 5"

are you fucking serious?

7/24/2006 12:12:48 AM

Listen dude, this has jack shit to do about race!! So tuck your race card in your ass already. Both of them Phillip and Reggie and all other rookies who have such high demands, and havent even sniffed NFL grass are fuckin moronic assholes. Its getting worse every year!!!

These guys get their heads blown up, and then they think they're better than everyone else. The audacity of these fuckin kids, in this grown man sport. Rivers fuckin sucked in my opinion (still does), Reggie is waaayy overrated and will fail to be a pro RB, like I mentioned moths ago in my thread. None of them are worth "THAT" much money (30 million +) thats fuckin terrible!! Rivers mainly. Reggies amount can be argued, but still not 30 mill to an unproven offensive player.

7/24/2006 12:19:41 AM

^^ yeah, the time period between the statement and the retraction was about a day or two - surprised the media didn't make a stink about it, BUT OH WAIT THIS IS REGINALD ALFRED WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

7/24/2006 12:21:58 AM

eli's number was around 45 million, so why then did rivers sign for 40.5

agents say stupid shit all the time, just listen to drew rosenhaus look the camera and the media in the eye and tell the world that his client, TO, is misunderstood

agent may have put the word out that p. rivers was looking for eli type money, but it did not seem that that was their realistic expectation, they just wanted more than was originally offered

i am not even really defending rivers here, i honestly think he was better served to sign, but for you to sit here and paint broad strokes with very little information, and to ignore that the chargers are notoriously cheap, and by all accounts the 1st, 2nd, and even 3rd offerings from the chargers were a fucking joke for a #4 qb pick is absurd

holding out is wrong, they should just institute an NBA style structure where each level in the first round has guaranteed $ boundaries, and it would solve a lot of problems

7/24/2006 12:26:03 AM

TO is understood

7/24/2006 2:39:06 AM

^^yea, they should put NBA-style rookie salary structure on the last labor agreement.

7/24/2006 8:31:12 AM

guys, remember that this is the first time these kids have ever signed a contract for this type of silly money.

wouldnt you do everything in your powers to make that number as high as you could possibly attain? theres no guarantee you wont be hit by a bus on your way to your first game and not be able to play ever again.

tell me for a fact that if you were in the position you wouldnt argue for as much money as you could. theres no way if you were in bush's shoes you would just say "well, i was drafted second, so i guess ill have to settle for a deal that i could probably get more money out of, but i dont want to be seen as a primadonna, ill take a few million less, thanks."


sure.

7/24/2006 8:43:43 AM

It's all undeserved sense of entitlement anyways.

At the end of the day he's just some guy who can hold a football and run.

7/24/2006 8:52:39 AM

at the end of the day, they (meaning all marquee sports players) are responsible for bringing fans paying large amounts of money to go to games, buy merchandise, buy food, buy beer, pay for parking, hopefully build a good team so network television can charge more for commericals during their games, etc.

the nfl (and most other sports organizations) is no longer "just a game", its a business. does that mean the players should get paid what they do? maybe, maybe not, but at the end of the, hes not just a guy who can hold a football and run.

7/24/2006 9:09:22 AM