So the NCEES (National Council of Examiners for Engineers and Surveyors) pasted some legislature last night that forces Engineers to have 150 credit hours to sit for the PE exam.

I'm not sure how or if there will be a grandfather period but my boss came over and told me I may be heading back to school b/c of this. I can sit for the PE in Apr 08 so I hope I don't have to but it sounds like a may have to get 30 more hours.

So congrats Engineers...you just got a 5th year!!!!!!!!!!...or 6th in my case...haha.

9/20/2006 11:54:44 AM

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"pasted some legislature"

this could have some interesting repercussions - anyone know the grace period before this got into effect

doesn't the ABM program only require 148 hours and with the 12month stipulation the extra 2hrs might make it more difficult to come by now - i wonder if the ABM program will change due to this

9/20/2006 11:56:50 AM

good thing I got my board approval to sit for the PE next month. They've been toying with this idea for a while now, although I've always heard it brought up in the form of requiring a masters degree. It would suck if they required a masters degree though, as people with a GPA under 3.0 wouldn't be eligible at any school that's worth a damn.

[Edited on September 20, 2006 at 11:58 AM. Reason : the grace period most likely will only be for people who have already sat for the FE exam.]

9/20/2006 11:58:06 AM

do you know when this will be documented on their website or the various other state boards?

9/20/2006 12:06:30 PM

That could give a huge advantage to anyone coming in with tons of AP credit...

I came in with 37 hrs of AP credit, took 4 years, and graduated with 169 hrs.

9/20/2006 12:22:30 PM

fuck

now i have to go and get my masters

9/20/2006 1:03:22 PM

^^
Not necessarily. You can come in with a significant amount of credit and have it all apply to your degree.

Links plz if/when available. Curios how they are going to require the 150 hours. Continuing Education, Additional Engineering Hours as Undergrad, Additional "Free Electives" as Undergrad, Double-Major, Masters, etc. Several possibiltiies.

9/20/2006 1:45:16 PM

yeah would like to see what the requirements are - can someone take PE a few times if they are shy and meet the requirements?

9/20/2006 1:46:14 PM

i looked at their website, and the best i could find about it is that they've been thinking about more stringent requirements for awhile.

a link to a presentation on the subject from 2005, for what it's worth:
http://www.ncees.org/licensure/licensure_for_engineers/lqog.pdf

9/20/2006 2:25:42 PM

the pdf is pretty good - definitely would like more details though

9/20/2006 2:29:01 PM

i cant imagine that they would force people who have already graduated to go back and get more hours... that would be ridiculous

i would bet that, once it is passed it will apply to anyone that is currently in school, not has already graduated

either way i doubt i will sit for my PE, i dont think i will really mind which way they go

[Edited on September 20, 2006 at 3:08 PM. Reason : grammar]

9/20/2006 3:06:55 PM

fuck man thats 15 more hours than I had to take for Bio AND Chem

9/20/2006 3:11:24 PM

in the pdf they argue that engineering is a "top tier" major and should require more credit hours - i don't think anyone is arguing biology and chemistry are of the same caliber

9/20/2006 3:13:14 PM

is there a link to this?

9/21/2006 12:46:32 AM

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" would bet that, once it is passed it will apply to anyone that is currently in school, not has already graduated "

I seriously doubt they grandfather in people who have already graduated. most likely they will only grandfather people who have either taken the FE or passed the FE under the old requirements.

9/21/2006 10:02:09 AM

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"I seriously doubt they grandfather in people who have already graduated. most likely they will only grandfather people who have either taken the FE or passed the FE under the old requirements."

fine by me as i have taken and passed the FE under the old requirements

time will tell though

9/21/2006 11:11:38 AM

eeeek

9/21/2006 12:34:29 PM

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"in the pdf they argue that engineering is a "top tier" major and should require more credit hours - i don't think anyone is arguing biology and chemistry are of the same caliber "

you know that doctor, yeah, he/she has a bio degree

9/21/2006 12:35:37 PM

i just called to se what happened to my certification (why its not in my hands yet)

soo i am a EI i just have to wait for it to get here.

9/21/2006 12:58:00 PM

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"you know that doctor, yeah, he/she has a bio degree"

not necessarily dumbass. on top of that, why do you think they go to medical school, a bio degree won't quite cut it.

9/21/2006 1:37:22 PM

just read ^ again

9/21/2006 1:55:21 PM

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"not necessarily dumbass. on top of that, why do you think they go to medical school, a bio degree won't quite cut it."

try getting into med school without a bio degree you imbecile.

people like you are why most of the other majors at NCSU despise engineers...

9/21/2006 2:10:32 PM

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"try getting into med school without a bio degree you imbecile. "

interesting... cause i know a couple who got in with non bio degrees and my g/f is in med school right now and she knows of a couple that are in too

the only reason why you dont see it more is cause most people who are engineer's ( or other degrees) dont all of a sudden deciede they want to go to med school.. not really the same track of learning or intrest ya know?

where as people with bio degrees or similiar maybe thinking about med school when they start their undergrad... you dont just switch after you get your degree and be like hey i wanna go to med school, usually planned or thought out to some degree

anyone with half a brain that may consider med school as an option later is obviously not going to go to school to be an engineer (or something else), moron

9/21/2006 2:16:13 PM

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"The Association of American Medical Colleges indicates that most medical school applicants are in an area of science (65 percent, with majors in biology (47 percent) or chemistry (6 percent). Only 2 percent of medical school applicants are pre-medical majors. Among applicants from non-science areas (13 percent), the most common major was psychology (5 percent)."

amazingly enough pepole are doing it....

9/21/2006 2:16:59 PM

you should dig up stats on how many of those without bio or chem (ill give you that and Biochem) actually make it through med school too

9/21/2006 2:18:47 PM

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"anyone with half a brain that may consider med school as an option later is obviously not going to go to school to be an engineer (or something else), moron"

Biomedical Engineering fool.

9/21/2006 2:26:23 PM

no kidding some exceptions to the rule, you dont say, WTF is this world coming to?.... that is such a small percentage of the population if you have to use that to make yourself look better in the arguement then go for it

i simply said there is a reason you dont see it that OFTEN, meaning it can happen

its like "hey i am intrested in numbers and math i am going to go to school to be an engineer or physicist"

finish up your 4 years and get your degree... "oh the hell with this i am going to get a masters to be a social worker"

not the same learning interest... you dont see that very often do you, i wonder why?

cause on the whole most poeple dont do a 180 degree turn in what their interests are for a livelihood...

called smart planning durrrrrr so of course you are going to see more bio majors, just because you dont have a bio degree doesnt mean you cant get in and finish school

i dont even know why i am arguing this

9/21/2006 2:30:25 PM

I don't know why you even posted in this thread really. I've known several people to do just about that, a 180, just after they have graduated or just before.

9/21/2006 2:32:29 PM

Ok i should have put in, try getting through medschool without a bio/biochem/chem degree.

there, happy?

9/21/2006 2:34:40 PM

yes i agree with that, though i think i am so bored today that i would argue that the sky is not blue

carry on

9/21/2006 2:38:38 PM

lol true, I just find it hilarious how defensive and uppity some engineers are about their undergrad degrees...

9/21/2006 2:42:08 PM

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"I don't know why you even posted in this thread really. I've known several people to do just about that, a 180, just after they have graduated or just before."

i don't know why the fuck you posted in this thread either.

btw, my dad went to medical school. but not until several years after he got his masters in electrical engineering.

9/21/2006 2:48:22 PM

way to go on proving a different point of mine instead of backing Mr U up...

just stfu slut and go away

9/21/2006 2:52:48 PM

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"Back to School for Engineers"

i'm glad you brought up the medical profession.

9/21/2006 2:56:41 PM

then go back to school.

9/21/2006 3:04:23 PM

so is this total hours or GPA hours?

9/21/2006 5:59:03 PM

i hope total because i have correspondence courses and military training that are "hours"

9/21/2006 7:36:56 PM

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"people with a GPA under 3.0 wouldn't be eligible at any school that's worth a damn."

Maybe they shouldn't be PEs. I don't want some jackoff slacker making decisions about safety and structural integrity.

9/21/2006 11:23:27 PM

would you rather those decisions be made by someone with a 4.0 GPA an no common sense whatsoever? book smarts are the only part of being a good engineer. the biggest engineering catastrophes usually stem from engineers that design something that cannot physically be built, and they do not have the foresight to understand what countermeasures a contractor is going to take in order to get around these mistakes.

9/24/2006 4:19:49 PM

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"try getting into med school without a bio degree you imbecile."

I did. And I got in.

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"Ok i should have put in, try getting through medschool without a bio/biochem/chem degree."

I'm halfway through my 3rd year (i.e., done with all the basic science material) and I'm still here.

[Edited on September 24, 2006 at 4:37 PM. Reason : ]

9/24/2006 4:35:34 PM

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"try getting into med school without a bio degree you imbecile"

my brother is in med school right now and graduated with a business degree

9/24/2006 5:10:30 PM

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" Maybe they shouldn't be PEs. I don't want some jackoff slacker making decisions about safety and structural integrity."

i know a few people who after working or going to community college came back to college and despite finishing well still have a poor GPA because of messing up early on. and i actually also know some recruiters who like these people better than your typical 4.0 student.

9/24/2006 5:33:54 PM

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"would you rather those decisions be made by someone with a 4.0 GPA an no common sense whatsoever?"

I love how this always crops up. A good GPA and common sense are not mutually exclusive. That's just something lazy and / or dumb people tell themselves.

9/24/2006 5:36:39 PM

I'm very much in favor of this. I think becoming an engineer should be more like becoming a doctor or lawyer:

Get a BS in science, math, or maybe even business, then go into a 3 year professional engineering program.

I see no reason why engineers shouldn't corner the market just like doctors, lawyers, and pharmacists have.

9/24/2006 7:32:15 PM

or just go to grad school

which is really what you have to do if you want to get into design

9/24/2006 7:33:17 PM

looks like they're implementing it, but the additional education requirements don't kick in for another 8 years.

http://www.ncees.org/news/index.php?release_id=1

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"The Council approved the concept during the 2005 Annual Meeting when it voted to charge the Committee on Uniform Procedures and Legislative Guidelines (UPLG) with incorporating language requiring additional education into the Model Law. At this year's meeting, UPLG recommended specific language to be added to the Model Law for this requirement (see below). The effective date of this provision is January 1, 2015. The Council also passed a UPLG motion adding language to the Model Rules stating that, effective January 1, 2015, a graduate with a bachelor of science degree in engineering requiring more than 120 credits may request that credits earned in excess of 120 credits be applied to satisfy the requirement. Now that the Council has approved the concept and approved incorporating it into the Model Law, NCEES will define what the additional education should be. This coming year's UPLG Committee has been charged with defining some of the terms and considering issues related to implementation. New Model Law language The following language was added to the NCEES Model Law definition of what will be considered minimum evidence satisfactory to the board that an applicant is qualified for licensure as a professional engineer. Licensure by Examination (Effective January 1, 2015) The following individuals shall be admitted to an 8-hour written examination in the principles and practice of engineering: An engineer intern with a bachelor's degree, with an additional 30 credits of acceptable upper-level undergraduate or graduate-level coursework from approved course providers, and with a specific record of an additional 4 years or more of progressive experience on engineering projects of a grade and a character which indicate to the board that the applicant may be competent to practice engineering. An engineer intern with a master's degree in engineering from an institution that offers EAC/ABET-accredited programs, or the equivalent, and with a specific record of an additional 3 years or more of progressive experience on engineering projects of a grade and a character which indicate to the board that the applicant may be competent to practice engineering. An engineer intern with a doctorate in engineering acceptable to the board and with a specific record of an additional 2 years or more of progressive experience on engineering projects of a grade and a character which indicate to the board that the applicant may be competent to practice engineering. An individual with a doctorate in engineering acceptable to the board and with a specific record of an additional 4 years or more of progressive experience on engineering projects of a grade and a character which indicate to the board that the applicant may be competent to practice engineering. "

[Edited on October 9, 2006 at 12:53 PM. Reason : ]

10/9/2006 12:52:09 PM

^ i've have spoken with someone from the board about this. The law is in the starting stages first off, and can't even be passed until next summer when the NC Senate and House go back into session. And it will take 8 years before it can be implemented as stated above. There are several groups for it and against it. ABET is even against adding additional credits. They stand by our program saying 128 credit hours is enough (according to what this gentleman has said). It will end up being who has the most clout to get this passed IMO. I am just happy it will not affect me.

10/9/2006 1:16:57 PM

That's weird. The officials controlling the CPA exam recently did the same thing: 150 semester hours now required. Hmmmm?

10/9/2006 1:29:08 PM

^^just for clarification the General Assembly convenes on January 24th.

10/9/2006 3:06:13 PM

8 years huh, so plenty of time for the FE and PE? I'm gonna go out on a limb for the majority of us and say

YEAAAAHHHH BOYYYYYYYYYYYYY

10/9/2006 4:05:12 PM