ok this is fucking bullshit....they are passing a law later next week

9/30/2006 10:19:30 AM

Gambling IS illegal....

9/30/2006 10:22:27 AM

i mean... Gambling IS illegal...

9/30/2006 10:26:08 AM

Old, and why would you want to play on-line vs. bots and allegedly randomly drawn cards?

9/30/2006 10:27:56 AM

link?

9/30/2006 10:42:53 AM

I know that they've been throwing this legislation around for a long time, but I didn't think that things were this far along. I'd like a link because my husband's online poker is practically his second job.

9/30/2006 10:46:53 AM

damn, time to play some more bodog

9/30/2006 11:22:48 AM

link please, pm it to me.

my girlfriend works for a law firm that focus's in online gaming, so her boss would be very interested.

last word i heard was that it was not passing the senate.

9/30/2006 11:33:10 AM

isnt it already illegal to play for money online?

9/30/2006 12:10:29 PM

theyre banning it because they can't legally get a piece of it (since the companies are offshore)

9/30/2006 1:09:29 PM

its already banned...

9/30/2006 1:11:09 PM

My husband laughed at me when I told him this. Apparently, they've been trying to pass a law against it for about a decade now. It's already illegal to host it in the US and most (is not all) banks will not authorize payments to online gambling sites. But since there are intermediaries like FirePay who handle the financial transactions and everything is hosted outside of the US, he considers the point moot.

9/30/2006 1:24:33 PM

Quote :

"banks will not authorize payments to online gambling sites. "

i havent heard of anyone haveing problems with it.

Quote :

"against it for about a decade now"

has there been online poker for a decade?

9/30/2006 1:34:58 PM

your internet provider will be required to block IP addresses of any gambling site, pokerstars, full tilt, bodog etc...

your bank will also reject transactions from people like firepay, etc.

thats what that bill says.

9/30/2006 1:54:51 PM

d'oh! wonder what my brother will do now when he's not at work

9/30/2006 2:04:07 PM

the sites must not take it seriously, since i saw an ad for bodog multiple times today.

9/30/2006 2:12:51 PM

Quote :

"isnt it already illegal to play for money online?"

No it is not. Ask the state Attorney General. They are waiting for court cases to decide the issue of legality in playing online.

What they currently are getting people for is violation of the Wire Act. You aren't supposed to use certain financial mediums to wager. Thus, the new laws focus more on making the transactions illegal, rather than the gambling itself.

What we need is a grass roots petition to Congress that we won't stomach this. Find us a link and I'll draft up a letter for everyone interested to send their representatives and senators that promises not to vote for them EVER if they vote for this bill.


HERE: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/24/AR2006052402432.html

[Edited on September 30, 2006 at 2:48 PM. Reason : .]

9/30/2006 2:46:14 PM

if they can get away with this, you might as well wait for a seriously enforced internet sales tax

[Edited on September 30, 2006 at 2:47 PM. Reason : .]

9/30/2006 2:46:55 PM

Here's the bill
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d109:15:./temp/~bdqjkT::|/bss/d109query.html|

H.R. 4777

__________________________________________________________________________________
Here's my letter to my senator
Mr. Graham,
As an honest citizen of South Carolina, I emplore you to vote against the bill known currently as H.R. 4777. It is sponsored by Rep. Bob Goodlatte and it is aimed at making online gambling illegal. It is quite unfair that he conveniently exempted horseracing and fantasy league sports from his bill, and shows me that he doesn't care so much about gambling as he does about politics. Horseracing will just as quickly reduce your bankroll as poker, but he doesn't care about consistency, its about political soundbites. If you, or any other senator or representative in my district votes for any bill that attempts to ban online gambling, I will NEVER vote for you or that person again. I hate to be a one-issue person, but my party (your party) has been letting me down far too often when it comes to private rights. I will be voting Libertarian in any election where my only other choices are Democrats or a person who supports banning online gambling. Please don't underestimate the number of people who feel the way I do. We are politcally active and motivated voters and we won't stand for this erosion. Don't let me down, and don't cost yourself my vote in the future.

[Edited on September 30, 2006 at 3:05 PM. Reason : .]

9/30/2006 2:57:25 PM

Quote :

"your bank will also reject transactions from people like firepay, etc."

I haven't had any trouble with my bank connecting directly to poker sites and a really doubt they will shut down places like firepay, neteller, etc. because then sites like paypal would be next and that's not going to happen.

9/30/2006 3:03:50 PM

victemless crimes a bullshit

i hate the conservative pricks that make bull shit laws like this

bunch of fucking cunt-rags

btw... i don't even play for money anymore but its still bull shit.

9/30/2006 3:06:12 PM

David, they aren't shutting the sites down, they're updating the Wire Act to include the internet.
It's illegal to use a phone line to place a bet and they're adding to it to make it illegal to use the internet. Thus, neteller and firepay aren't shut down, they're just not allowed to transfer money in order for use in gambling.

^Don't shovle this entirely on conservatives. We don't all want this. That's why I'm lambasting members of my party on this. But don't think this is strictly partisan. Many dems will vote for this shit too.

[Edited on September 30, 2006 at 3:07 PM. Reason : .]

9/30/2006 3:07:00 PM

Are they based out of the US?

9/30/2006 3:07:40 PM

Quote :

"has there been online poker for a decade?"

Online gambling has been alive and kicking for exactly a decade and there has been rabble about it right from the start. The first online casino had it's first real money wager in 1996 and by 1999 there were over 700 online casinos. The first bill that I know about concerning the regulation of online gambling was in Arizona in 1997 (Internet Gambling Prohibition Act of 1997).

Until recently it's been left to the states, but now they're looking to make federal laws.

Quote :

"i havent heard of anyone haveing problems with it."

Then you probably are not trying to debit directly from your bank account. Most US banks will not authorize direct debits because of issue of legality. Instead you are using a credit card or some kind of intermediary like FirePay or NETeller.

[Edited on September 30, 2006 at 3:15 PM. Reason : sp.]

9/30/2006 3:13:34 PM

No, but your bank or credit card company is and that's who they're aiming at directly. Making it illegal to ship it to firepay or neteller with the purpose of making a bet.

9/30/2006 3:20:52 PM

GAMBLING IS IMMORAL

JUST LIKE SEX, DRUGS, AND ROCK N ROLL

9/30/2006 3:23:51 PM

And politicians.


Please everyone. Write your congressmen and congresswomen about this issue if you feel strongly about it. I want them to see that we vote and we want our rights.

[Edited on September 30, 2006 at 3:26 PM. Reason : ,]

9/30/2006 3:25:44 PM

Links plz. The only one provided is 4 months old ... bit outdated re current progress.

9/30/2006 3:49:22 PM

THE ONLY ETHICAL GAMBLING IS STATE SPONSORED LOTTERIES.

9/30/2006 3:57:32 PM

Quote :

"Then you probably are not trying to debit directly from your bank account"

no, the money gets withdrawn directly out of my bank account and goes into my party poker account. i know many people who have their bank accounts linked with their poker site account with no problems yet.

9/30/2006 4:15:31 PM

Perlith, this link should work for a few minutes. For some reason they're only temporary
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d109:15:./temp/~bdIDez::|/bss/d109query.html|

Just go to Congress.org and search for representative Goodlatte and then H.R. 47777

Most recent action on the bill was to place it on the Union calendar.

9/30/2006 4:25:35 PM

Quote :

"no, the money gets withdrawn directly out of my bank account and goes into my party poker account. i know many people who have their bank accounts linked with their poker site account with no problems yet."

My bank account denied my debit link with my poker sites, including party. So did my credit card. So I used neteller.

9/30/2006 4:26:35 PM

are you sure this bill is banning poker websites and not sports betting sites. Party Poker and all those sites specifically say on their ads that "this is not a gambling website". I thought this bill was aimed at stopping placing bets on games and such but i may have misunderstood

9/30/2006 4:58:59 PM

Quote :

"your internet provider will be required to block IP addresses of any gambling site, pokerstars, full tilt, bodog etc... "

thats scary thinking about where that might lead, they better not take away my fucking porn next

9/30/2006 5:21:20 PM

Quote :

"the money gets withdrawn directly out of my bank account and goes into my party poker account"

Who do you bank with?

My husband and I have both been unable to directly debit from Wachovia and State Employees Credit Union, which is why we use Firepay. Being able to direct debit from your bank account without an intermediary is uncommon.

9/30/2006 5:31:50 PM

9/30/2006 5:35:22 PM

Quote :

"no, the money gets withdrawn directly out of my bank account and goes into my party poker account. i know many people who have their bank accounts linked with their poker site account with no problems yet."

secu

9/30/2006 5:52:09 PM

^^um... wrong party holmes

9/30/2006 5:58:20 PM

.....

Quote :

"As an honest citizen of South Carolina"

.....

9/30/2006 6:00:48 PM

i mean seriously, this screams republican
how the hell do you miss that

9/30/2006 6:06:42 PM

lol bible belt

9/30/2006 6:24:38 PM

Haha. You guys will have to find other ways to throw your money away. PWNT.

9/30/2006 9:50:02 PM

Not everyone throws away their money playing online poker.

One of my husband's friends from high school left college to pursue his online poker career and he makes between $200,000-$300,000 a year playing online poker. He treats poker just as most people treat a job and has been extremely successful at it for at least the six years that I have known him. He's also wisely managed his money.

My husband has a degree in mathematics and he loves the strategy, probability, and statistics involved in playing poker. He's not nearly as good as his friend, but he has managed to consistently profit from his onling poker playing the entire time that I have known him. There have been times when winning like $1,000 in a tournament has really helped when things were tight.

9/30/2006 10:01:59 PM

Quote :

"Old, and why would you want to play on-line vs. bots and allegedly randomly drawn cards?"

9/30/2006 10:03:34 PM

From Slashdot:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/30/AR2006093000166_pf.html

Quote :

"The new measure tackles that by prohibiting gamblers from using credit cards, checks and electronic fund transfers to settle their online wagers."

My reponse, "If there's a will, there's a way". They'll find a way to keep business afloat. Offer to create a free offshore bank account when you engage in said website for a sufficient period of time, perhaps? Who knows.

9/30/2006 10:06:24 PM

Quote :

"My husband and I have both been unable to directly debit from Wachovia"

I directly deposit and vice versa from Wachovia to Bodog on a regular basis, I've passed probably $7,000 - $8,000 dollars back and forth between the two without a hitch

9/30/2006 10:10:52 PM

^Whether or not your bank kicks it out probably depends on the site you're trying to have $ transferred to. We've definitely had to use the Firepay account for PokerRoom.

9/30/2006 10:13:53 PM

Quote :

"One of my husband's friends from high school left college to pursue his online poker career and he makes between $200,000-$300,000 a year playing online poker. He treats poker just as most people treat a job and has been extremely successful at it for at least the six years that I have known him. He's also wisely managed his money. My husband has a degree in mathematics and he loves the strategy, probability, and statistics involved in playing poker. He's not nearly as good as his friend, but he has managed to consistently profit from his onling poker playing the entire time that I have known him. There have been times when winning like $1,000 in a tournament has really helped when things were tight."

I was waiting for someone to come forward with a story like this. That's not a career, it's profiting off of stupid people while sitting on your ass.

9/30/2006 10:18:26 PM

*shrugs*

He found something that he had a natural knack for, educated himself about the game, practiced, found out that he is far better than most players, and has been a success. I don't blame him for it. He enjoys the game, but he treats it like a job. He keeps regular working hours, he studies, researches, and practices the game, he does some work for some of the sites that he plays on, he's invited to the larger tournaments like the WPT and plays well. He knows the game and that's how he makes his living.

As far as he is concerned, I consider it to be just as much of a career as playing a professional sport is a career.

9/30/2006 10:33:13 PM

.

[Edited on September 30, 2006 at 10:34 PM. Reason : .]

9/30/2006 10:34:44 PM