Between Randy, Vernon Robinson, this pedophile, and countless others, I am no longer willing to be a Republican. I still like many parts of the platform and have great respect for many people in the party, but at this point I find myself voting for them only about as often as I don't.

I realized it today when somebody on facebook asked me to support the Republican in District 2 -- I forgot his name -- and the only things the guy seemed to support were kicking out Mexicans and gays.

My problem is that I'm not a Democrat and I'm damn sure not Libertarian, and I find it necessary to have labels for things, so I really need to come up with a party that applies to me, stat.

I'm not really sure what you're supposed to say in response to this, but I just wanted to make the announcement.

10/2/2006 12:18:33 PM

why do you feel that you need to associated with a party?

why not vote for the candidate, and not the party?

ill be damned if im going to associate myself with the BS from either major party.



[Edited on October 2, 2006 at 12:20 PM. Reason : c]

10/2/2006 12:19:47 PM

I've felt like that for a while now

10/2/2006 12:20:50 PM

I always have voted for the candidate and not the party, but I need to be associated with something so I can run for office some day. Independents get screwed.

Maybe I should form my own. Who wants in?

10/2/2006 12:21:20 PM

what about constitution party or something like that

10/2/2006 12:29:43 PM

GrumpyIND



Every party has its douchebags. They're just becoming more vocal from both sides these days.

Although I can't blame you for not wanting to associate with a party WITH obnoxious douchebags. Somebody might think you're one of them.

10/2/2006 12:30:40 PM

I hope you arent trying to insinuate that this disgusting pedophile belongs in the same category as me and other conservatives.

And you might disagree on the immigration issue, but you have to admit, Robinson is playing by Brad Miller's classless liberal rules.

[Edited on October 2, 2006 at 12:44 PM. Reason : .]

10/2/2006 12:43:12 PM

^You both represent things that are horribly, horribly wrong with the Republican party. Admittedly they are different horribly wrong things.

^^It's not even about association. I've always known douchebags were distributed more or less evenly throughout all political organizations. But at this point there just too few Republicans I can vote for in good conscience. I don't think I've voted for one for office inside the state in my whole life.

The thing about vocal Democrat douchebags, to my mind, is that at least the stuff they say isn't fundamentally anathema to the principles on which I think America is founded. I just can't say the same for my own guys anymore.

Maybe I should get together a group of Republicans-in-Exile so we can plot to take back what's ours.

[Edited on October 2, 2006 at 12:44 PM. Reason : ]

10/2/2006 12:44:06 PM

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"And you might disagree on the immigration issue, but you have to admit, Robinson is playing by Brad Miller's classless liberal rules"

I don't know or care what tactics Miller has used. I know they are far less offensive to me as an American and a human being than Robinson's are.

10/2/2006 12:45:48 PM

I'm not even registered to vote

Constantly trying to support the lesser of two evils?

10/2/2006 12:46:08 PM

TreeTwista10:

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"I'm not even registered to vote"

thank god

10/2/2006 12:46:59 PM

so sarijoul you are registered yourself?

HAVE YOUR VOTES MAKE A DIFFERENCE YET

10/2/2006 12:51:11 PM

are you really not registered?

10/2/2006 12:51:47 PM

no i'm not

i'd register if there was a candidate worth a fuck

course 99.9% chance my vote wouldnt matter

10/2/2006 12:53:32 PM

he was gonna register... but then he got high

10/2/2006 12:54:01 PM

GrumpyGOP is my hero.

10/2/2006 12:54:28 PM

^^more like i actually thought my vote would "make a difference" because I was too high to realize how the system worked

[Edited on October 2, 2006 at 12:54 PM. Reason : ^^]

10/2/2006 12:54:40 PM

I hear ya Grumpy; I gave up on the party during the summer. Can't remember which particular screwup it was, but at some point, I just gave up on them. Hopefully, they'll have the smackdown laid on them this November, and they'll return to reality and clean up a little.

I also share your sentiment: I still like the bulk of what they officially stood for, and while I may vote for the occasional Democratic candidate, I sure as hell am not going to affiliate myself with that party. I'll join you on your new party.

10/2/2006 12:58:56 PM

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"I hear ya Grumpy; I gave up on the party during the summer. Can't remember which particular screwup it was, but at some point, I just gave up on them. Hopefully, they'll have the smackdown laid on them this November, and they'll return to reality and clean up a little. I also share your sentiment: I still like the bulk of what they officially stood for, and while I may vote for the occasional Democratic candidate, I sure as hell am not going to affiliate myself with that party. I'll join you on your new party."

GET OUT OF MY HEAD.

<ahem>

ditto.

10/2/2006 1:00:13 PM

i do not vote for republican candidates

i vote for conservative candidates who will lower taxes, protect the border, fight terrorism, emphasize judeo-christian values, not buy in to hogwash like global warming, and not try to press needless socialist legislation that further ties the hands of industry and prosperity with needless regulations and simply embolden the left's radical anti-everything agenda.

10/2/2006 1:09:57 PM

the border is in danger!!!!

10/2/2006 1:10:36 PM

the job market sucks but lets let illegals in to work!

10/2/2006 1:11:11 PM

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"the job market sucks but lets let illegals in to work!"

because these illegals are taking jobs worth a damn.

10/2/2006 1:15:04 PM

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"Maybe I should get together a group of Republicans-in-Exile so we can plot to take back what's ours. "

You might just be able to do it. There's a lot of pissed people out there.

10/2/2006 1:17:28 PM

^^maybe some of the legal americans who drop out of high school could work them

but no, just stick to bitching about unemployment, the job market, etc and using the "they only do jobs that americans dont want to do" line

[Edited on October 2, 2006 at 1:17 PM. Reason : ^^]

10/2/2006 1:17:42 PM

I doubt teens are having a hard time finding jobs at McDonald's.

10/2/2006 1:19:40 PM

i'm just saying...don't complain about the job market and then say the borders are fine

10/2/2006 1:23:25 PM

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"^^maybe some of the legal americans who drop out of high school could work them but no, just stick to bitching about unemployment, the job market, etc and using the "they only do jobs that americans dont want to do" line"

and tell me, what american wants to pick cucumbers in a field? Honestly, I have no sympathy for high school drop outs. they took the easy way out and should face the consequences.

Also, if we leagalized immigration, employers wouldn't be able to hold the current workers hostage by claiming if you don't work for this pitance of a wage, we'll call the ICE on you. And illegals would have to function within a competing job market. then again, the cost of living would rise substantially in america and well that would suck for all of us.

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"i'm just saying...don't complain about the job market and then say the borders are fine"

that entirely depends on the job market. There isn't just one job market out there. But as for you, don't complain about our complaining, because you don't even take the time to vote.

[Edited on October 2, 2006 at 1:24 PM. Reason : .]

10/2/2006 1:24:02 PM

construction jobs used to be done by americans and they made good money for their skilled trade

10/2/2006 1:26:21 PM

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"construction jobs used to be done by americans and they made good money for their skilled trade"

They still are.

10/2/2006 1:27:12 PM

haha "you cant say shit...after all you didnt vote...even though i voted for a bunch of candidates who wouldve won or lost regardless of if i had voted...im just so much better than you"

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"Honestly, I have no sympathy for high school drop outs. they took the easy way out and should face the consequences."

at least you can legally drop out of high school...i have no sympathy for people who illegally break into our country

10/2/2006 1:28:04 PM

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"haha "you cant say shit...after all you didnt vote...even though i voted for a bunch of candidates who wouldve won or lost regardless of if i had voted...im just so much better than you""

at least I make a concerted effort to try, you just bitch on the internet

I have more respect for illegals than high school drop outs. Illegals actually work hard and don't take the pussy way out.

10/2/2006 1:30:13 PM

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"I have more respect for illegals than high school drop outs. Illegals actually work hard and don't take the pussy way out."

yeah...they dont take the pussy way out...like pussying out of their own country and illegally coming into another country

i thought "not taking the pussy way out" would be to make do in mexico or wherever they are from

10/2/2006 1:31:40 PM

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"yeah...they dont take the pussy way out...like pussying out of their own country and illegally coming into another country i thought "not taking the pussy way out" would be to make do in mexico or wherever they are from"

Coming to america has far more risks than staying in their home country. But lets just boil this down to what it is about. It's not about illegal white immigrants from eastern europe. It's all about illegal brown immigrants from Mexico.

10/2/2006 1:33:07 PM

lets pull the race card when the fallacies of our initial argument are exposed

i respect people who break into peoples' houses and steal their shit...i mean that has far more risks than not breaking into somebody else's house

[Edited on October 2, 2006 at 1:34 PM. Reason : .]

10/2/2006 1:33:34 PM

There was no fallacy.

I can break it down into logic symbols if you like.

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"i respect people who break into peoples' houses and steal their shit...i mean that has far more risks than not breaking into somebody else's house"

Strawman, illegally entering a country is not even comparable to breaking into someone's hosue.

[Edited on October 2, 2006 at 1:34 PM. Reason : .]

10/2/2006 1:33:58 PM

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"illegally entering a country is not even comparable to breaking into someone's hosue"

yeah you cant even COMPARE

- illegally breaking into the country
- illegally breaking into someone's house

CANT EVEN COMPARE THE TWO

10/2/2006 1:35:40 PM

one is a physical structure, and the other is a political structure.

I'm not in any sort of physical danger by having an illegal break into the country at night. I do have that danger if someone breaks into my house at night.

10/2/2006 1:36:50 PM

ONES BREAKING THE LAW

THE OTHERS BREAKING THE LAW

OMG I HAVE SO MUCH RESPECT FOR THE ILLEGAL ALIENS WHO ILLEGALLY COME INTO OUR COUNTRIES

10/2/2006 1:37:47 PM

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"ONES BREAKING THE LAW THE OTHERS BREAKING THE LAW"

When you speed your break the law. Is it therefore acceptable to compare your speeding to someone breaking into my house?

10/2/2006 1:38:50 PM

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"protect the border"

From what, pretell? Which terrorists crossed the border again?

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"emphasize judeo-christian values"

Fundamentally unamerican

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"and not try to press needless socialist legislation that further ties the hands of industry"

I know man, banning child labor was some bullshit.

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"i'm just saying...don't complain about the job market and then say the borders are fine"

Fine by me. Neither the job market nor economics have anything to do with my support of free immigration. Then again, shooting all the black people would free up a lot of jobs, but I'm not exactly down with doing that, either.

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"ONES BREAKING THE LAW THE OTHERS BREAKING THE LAW"

Fundamentally unjust, unamerican laws =/= legitimate laws

And no, Congress saying so does not make a law legitimate in and of itself

10/2/2006 2:46:12 PM

Grumpy, I highly approve

- signed, McDanger

10/2/2006 2:49:59 PM

TreeTwista,

You say you have no respect for people who illegally come into the country. Is this out of a respect for our system of laws? If so, was it not you who broke our laws countless times in the past by buying and smoking marijuana?*

Despite if you have changed your ways or not, is it not hypocritical of you to look down on people for simply breaking our laws while you yourself have recently done so in the past?

Are you drawing an arbritrary distinction in your mind between 'good' and 'bad' laws in order to get around this issue? If so, what is your basis for these decisions? Is entering the country illegally as bad as jaywalking? Drunk Driving? Homicide? Murder?

* used as an example I am aware of from your life

10/2/2006 3:23:21 PM

Working immigrants fall into 2 categories. Those who do under the counter work (aka construction/farm types of work) and those who do work and are officially on a government viewable payroll.

Here is the problem. For "legit" work, the immigrant needs a SS#. There are individuals who sell these numbers to the immigrants in their neighborhoods. I do not know how they get them, but the majority of the numbers belong to infants. Aka a SIMPLE employer check mandated by the government will drastically cut the job supply.

Any candidate that talks about cracking down on the border is just using American fears and hate to garner votes. Might I also add that most illegal immigrants enter the country legally? Please stop supporting these politicians.

10/2/2006 3:36:41 PM

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"Between Randy, Vernon Robinson, this pedophile, and countless others, I am no longer willing to be a Republican. I still like many parts of the platform and have great respect for many people in the party, but at this point I find myself voting for them only about as often as I don't. I realized it today when somebody on facebook asked me to support the Republican in District 2 -- I forgot his name -- and the only things the guy seemed to support were kicking out Mexicans and gays. My problem is that I'm not a Democrat and I'm damn sure not Libertarian, and I find it necessary to have labels for things, so I really need to come up with a party that applies to me, stat. I'm not really sure what you're supposed to say in response to this, but I just wanted to make the announcement."

Congratulations. There are a lot of people that think the same as you, myself included. I know a good number of people that consider themselves conservatives and do not care for the Republican Party. They only vote for them partially out of habit and partially to keep Democrats out of power. The reverse is true for liberals. Remember Al Gore's message of why liberals should vote for him and not Nader? "I'm bad, but the other guy's worse." I have voted in the 2 presidential elections I've been eligible for (and my first congressional in November). Not once in the presidential election have I voted for the Democrat or Republican and I don't feel an ounce of shame or like a crackpot for saying it.

The problem is that a disgruntled conservative is not going to vote for a Democrat and a disgruntled liberal is not going to vote for a Republican. And more often than not, there's no credible alternative to look at.

That's one reason I will be interested in watching the upcoming Texas gubernatorial election. There will be four candidates: incumbent Republican governor, the current Republican Secretary of State that entered the race as an independent, songwriter/poet/comedian Kinky Friedman entering the race cause he says any Jewish singer could do a better job than a politician, and the Democratic candidate. There is a very real possibility that the Democrat will take 4th, and the Republican right now is leading polls, but under 40%.

[Edited on October 2, 2006 at 3:46 PM. Reason : /]

10/2/2006 3:41:30 PM

Quote :

"yeah...they dont take the pussy way out...like pussying out of their own country and illegally coming into another country i thought "not taking the pussy way out" would be to make do in mexico or wherever they are from"

Couldn't you apply that reasoning to half the population in this state? Our population in NC right now is probably higher than 50% born outside of the state. I have a friend that lives in North Raleigh that gets people to look at him in amazement when he says he was born and raised in North Raleigh. Is moving from Detroit or Boston to work in Charlotte or RTP because your plant got shutdown any different than moving from Tijuana or Mexico City? The reasons for people moving from either place are the same. Did my Irish ancestors pussy out because there was no food for the population during a potato famine?

(for the record, I was born in NC)

[Edited on October 2, 2006 at 3:55 PM. Reason : /]

10/2/2006 3:52:07 PM

DON'T DO IT GRUMPY...THEY MAKE YOU SIT DOWN TO PEE

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1474158.ece

10/2/2006 3:55:19 PM

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"Is moving from Detroit or Boston to work in Charlotte or RTP because your plant got shutdown any different than moving from Tijuana or Mexico City?"

Yes it is different, because obviously its legal for American citizens to travel and work anywhere in the US as long as they pay the applicable taxes, etc...regardless of the motivation behind the move, just because you are from a poorer country like parts of Mexico doesn't mean you have the right to break American laws

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"You say you have no respect for people who illegally come into the country. Is this out of a respect for our system of laws? If so, was it not you who broke our laws countless times in the past by buying and smoking marijuana?* Despite if you have changed your ways or not, is it not hypocritical of you to look down on people for simply breaking our laws while you yourself have recently done so in the past? Are you drawing an arbritrary distinction in your mind between 'good' and 'bad' laws in order to get around this issue? If so, what is your basis for these decisions? Is entering the country illegally as bad as jaywalking? Drunk Driving? Homicide? Murder? "

I don't really want to try and "rank" laws, even though I'm sure we could all agree that murder is worse than jaywalking, for example...but when I broke any laws that I have broken in the past, whether it be something as "harmless" as speeding, I was prepared to deal with the consequences...if you know the laws, and you knowingly choose to break the laws, you better be prepared to deal with any consequences...have I broken the speed limit lately? Probably...what would happen if I got a speeding ticket? I would know its my own fault because I chose to break that law and I must then deal with the consequences...if I chose to illegally move to another country without paying that country's taxes or following the proper legal procedures, I couldn't very well complain if I was caught and prosecuted

Sure we can probably agree that going 40 in a 35mph zone is less harmless than breaking many other laws...but if I were to speed, its not taking American jobs, its not adding to a tax burden by providing tax services to those who don't pay taxes, etc... and one of the reasons I don't have respect for illegal immigrants is more of a respect for order than for our system of laws per se...if one immigrant with good intentions comes into the country to work for a better life its not that big of a deal...if tens and hundreds of thousands of immigrants come into the country, it is a big deal...the sheer number of people not only take away jobs (the jobs that havent already been outsourced) and increase tax burden, but bring additional crime, drugs, and violence into the society...we have enough of that as it is

10/2/2006 4:06:56 PM

you could have voted in the amount of time it took you to write that crap.

10/2/2006 4:13:08 PM

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"Yes it is different, because obviously its legal for American citizens to travel and work anywhere in the US as long as they pay the applicable taxes, etc...regardless of the motivation behind the move, just because you are from a poorer country like parts of Mexico doesn't mean you have the right to break American laws"

The point of my question is that people go where they can to get a job and go work to make money. Here's my argument on the whole thing. If no one hired and paid illegal Mexicans, Mexicans would not come here. You can fan at the flames of a fire all you want, but unless you eliminate the source (the person paying the money in this case), the fire will continue burning.

[Edited on October 2, 2006 at 4:19 PM. Reason : /]

10/2/2006 4:19:07 PM