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"this article is not a joke - dont read it if you don't want to be aware of atrocities people are actually suffering, continuously, caused purposefully. I pass it along so we are all a little more aware of the world around us, of how lucky we are, and how we can never understand (nor judge) what could cause these things to happen and the emotional, spiritual, and physical toll - suffered by both the men and women involved. it disturbed me - and most likely will do the same to you. it made me ask what i could do, and why we are fighting in countries we dont belong while genocide and events like this are occurring while we turn the other way. as the supposed best nation in the world, i wonder why we would only care if we saw this occurring in Iraq and how horrified we would be if this was on the nightly news. instead, as it is in a country that doesn't affect our economy, our leaders knowingly allow this to happen. i dont blame anyone in particular for turning the other way - the entire "civilized" world is guilty - and my one email wont make a damn bit of a difference, but i thought others should be aware too - aware of what men are capable of, and what men knowingly allow others to do. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15704030/site/newsweek/"

TDUB,

This was pretty disturbing for me and it really made me fighting mad. Something needs to be done. What can be done?


Best Regards,


Amsterdam718, B.

11/14/2006 8:38:33 PM

yeah, shit like that pisses me off. that's pretty much why I joined the Marines...I want to kill as many shitheads like that as I can.

(realize that at the time i signed up, our most recent operations--as well as campaigns on the horizon--were against genocides, etc in eastern europe, africa, etc)

11/14/2006 8:50:47 PM

^^ Sign up for the service. Enjoy!

11/14/2006 9:00:37 PM

i already served, but in this case I would be a vigilante or something. i need to form a team. i do have a gully gang called the C.C.N., but only me and McDanger are the only members at this point. and I'm not certain if he's ready to get armed and go over and slaughter these fucks. i have to confer with him about this.

11/14/2006 9:29:24 PM

The CCN?

11/14/2006 9:44:04 PM

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"only me and McDanger are the only members at this point."

don't worry about CCN. it's way over alot of peoples heads. its going to be a very big deal in the near future. right now I'm trying figure out how to help these people.

11/14/2006 9:46:35 PM

Situations like this are where indiscriminate killing of the offenders would be a good thing.

11/14/2006 10:30:14 PM

that wouldn't be indiscriminate at all, in my book.

11/14/2006 10:55:45 PM

Pretty sure they are already on top of the killing each other part.

11/14/2006 11:07:35 PM

i'm almost speechless...how bad does it have to get for the worst to come out in people

11/14/2006 11:09:02 PM

unfortunately, it's not just shithead killing shithead...they take everyone else down with them

11/14/2006 11:09:36 PM

wtf

11/14/2006 11:09:55 PM

Hutus don't know how to act

11/14/2006 11:17:06 PM

executive outcomes

11/14/2006 11:36:43 PM

^ how much $ would it take to fund an excursion trying to track down some of the worst offenders and sending them to their maker(aka Satan)? i'm thinking while doing the feasibility study one may find that its easier to prevent future atrocities than to track down offenders and bring them to justice.

11/14/2006 11:44:03 PM

a metric shit ton less than $$ for a un or coalition force

11/14/2006 11:46:10 PM

a couple of million maybe?

11/14/2006 11:48:49 PM

i bet if you google you can find out how much some of their other stuff cost in africa, i really dont care that much

its important to note though that under the enouragement of clinton, south africa shut down EO. so it would have to be another mercenary force.

11/14/2006 11:55:49 PM

i didn't clink on the link yet, but is this about the fistula women in ethiopia and other african countries?

doprah did a show on it once.

11/15/2006 8:26:34 AM

humans suck

11/15/2006 10:12:43 AM

I'd enjoy killing shitheads over there

I'd enjoy killing bad guys anywhere, I just don't wanna do the boot camp thing

11/15/2006 10:34:48 AM

There was a documentary on this by the National Geographic channel about 3 years ago. There was a civil war in Sierre Leon and the entire country was divided into different little factions. The video actually showed poor civilians getting ambushed at a grocery store and mutilated on camera until every appendage/limb was off the torso.

There was a privately funded South African Special Forces group of about 500-600 highly trained/well equipped former-SA army soldiers who were hired to go in and stabilize the country. They went in with jeeps, helicopters, ammo and guns and pretty much slaughtered all of the militias in the country until there were just bits and pieces of stragglers here and there.

The video of these special forces type guys fighting the militias was pretty intense. The militias would just fire everything in their arsenal while the SF guys layed suppressive fire and flanked them. These were privately hired mercenaries so there was no quarter given to militiamembers who threw their arms up to surrender. They ended up getting their heads lobbed off and put on stakes to send a warning to the rest of the militias. "You will die soon"

Grim reality but I like how these guys went in and just obliderated everything.

Oh, the UN actually stepped in and denounced the private group's actions mainly because they had threatened an entire nation's sovereignty.

[Edited on November 15, 2006 at 1:55 PM. Reason : .]

11/15/2006 1:53:59 PM

^ i need to watch that

11/15/2006 2:36:34 PM

yeah me too

11/15/2006 3:09:23 PM

You're referring to Executive Outcomes right? The entire story is rather sad considering that when the World Bank pushed the government to cancel their contract with Executive Outcomes after parliamentary elections, the rebels regained controlled, toppled the government, and the mutilations continued...

11/15/2006 3:36:44 PM

^yea i think thats right.

Basically, the UN had to go against the military group with the argument of preserving national soveriegnty in case more paramilitary groups are hired by other nations in order to stage coups or assisinations.

11/15/2006 3:55:11 PM

Just add this to the list of genocides and crisis in Africa that the world will continue to turn a blind eye to.

Right now the list includes:

Rwanda
Darfur
the Congo

11/15/2006 4:49:22 PM

Right now the list includes:

Most of Africa.

Africans are fucked.

Two great movies:

Hotel Rwanda

Gorillas in the Mist

11/15/2006 5:10:02 PM

Add the Constant Gardener to that list of great movies as well

11/15/2006 5:20:17 PM

^^, ^^^

a sad truth that all 3 of us can agree on

11/15/2006 6:14:57 PM

I don't suppose Blackwater is into these kinds of assignments?

Anybody interested in starting an outift that specialises in genocide prevention?

11/15/2006 7:05:00 PM

i'm ready to get armed and fight for the cause, B.

11/15/2006 11:42:46 PM

ok, this shit is bothering me

about 3 min and 15 sec into this song, i'm thinking he makes a disturbing metaphor/reference:

"deep like the Hutu, you cockroaches"

watch the video

http://nahright.com/news/2006/10/24/stray-shots-62/


he makes the two finger gesture, and all the lyrics websites quote "deep like the who two?, you cockroaches"...but that shit does not come off right.

the Hutus specifically called the Tutsis cockroaches, and one of their mottos was "A cockroach cannot give birth to a butterfly".

Clipse is rife with layered meanings in the lyrics. quick example from the song 'What happened to that boy': "somedays i wasn't Able there was always Cain (or "able" as in adept, and "caine" as in coccaine)

another song where he basically says opium is the religion of the people...there's a bunch of other stuff...this shit is bugging me



[Edited on November 16, 2006 at 1:11 AM. Reason : x]

11/16/2006 1:09:55 AM

If I ran for President tomorrow, my number one foreign policy goal would be end this.

We've ignored too much for too long, especially when it's so relatively easy to fix or at least stem. Sovereignty is important, but I'm willing to kiss its ass goodbye when it means atrocity. People first. Nations second.

11/16/2006 1:26:55 AM

If you are killing off your people or allowing others to commit genocide, then you lose all rights to sovereignty.

that said, the Serbs were the victims in 1998.

11/16/2006 1:47:19 AM

Everyone in Yugoslavia was being a bastard. Yeah, there's no particular reason why the Serbs had to be the ones to get their asses handed to them -- frankly, they all should have -- but I'm not going to shed tears for them

11/16/2006 2:01:25 AM

I will. And I will continue until the day I die.

11/16/2006 2:09:32 AM

That's always struck me as odd. I mean, they're my co-religionists, and from what I've seen of how they conducted themselves, they can deserve to get bombed. Not that the Albanians shouldn't, too.

11/16/2006 2:34:16 AM

but how do "WE" help or even go to war in fact. i have the CCN, but it's only 2 of us at the moment.

11/16/2006 7:40:53 AM

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"Darfur"

you cant help people who refuse it

11/16/2006 8:57:44 AM

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"I don't suppose Blackwater is into these kinds of assignments? Anybody interested in starting an outift that specialises in genocide prevention? "

No, there is no monetary gain in this region. Sadly, this is how things work. Now, if there was a surprise find of Diamonds/oil/lucrative resources overnite, then yea the U.S./Europe/UN will jump like fat kids on a cookie and use the "genocide prevention" as their cover while they investigate those nice resources.

Blackwater will contract with the govt(s) that go in there.

[Edited on November 16, 2006 at 3:00 PM. Reason : .]

11/16/2006 2:59:33 PM

^ from what i remember, you are a neocon/bush lover, and support the iraq war and say the war is not for oil or any other benefit.

so, which side are you on?

11/16/2006 3:21:56 PM

If I lived in the 30s, I would have joined the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, I believe.

If there was one for Darfur, or some other genocide, I'd join. I considered doing this with our military, but situations like this arent what we're sending people to take care of right now. I'm not enough of a nationalist, otherwise.

[Edited on November 16, 2006 at 3:30 PM. Reason : .]

11/16/2006 3:29:21 PM

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"Diamonds/oil/lucrative resources "

Congo has all of the above and then some

11/16/2006 3:34:50 PM

^^^you don't know me very well then. Feel free to try and prove it.

I am against those on the far left or the far right.

Either way you look at it, foreign policy is always based on what your own country can get out of it. The latter half of this century has shown some examples of rich nations helping poorer/war-ravaged nations but this was a direct result from 2 major world wars and several smaller ones stemming from the first half of the century. We are starting seeing diplomacy as it really is.

The safest thing that rich nations can do now is place sanctions on these countries, but starve the innocents in the process. Nobody wants to step in and clean a mess like this up. The only thing that will have the power to do this is something more powerful than one nation. The UN, with all its resources, is still not as powerful as it will be. One day, I believe that the UN will be the "Big brother" in the world and will actually have the power to do stop things like this. Until then, we must sit back and watch on tv.

[Edited on November 16, 2006 at 3:37 PM. Reason : .]

11/16/2006 3:37:41 PM

We need a UN peacekeeping force with real teeth and more power to handle situations like these, salisburyboys and "NWO" fearers of the world be damned.

11/16/2006 3:39:40 PM

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"Congo has all of the above and then some"

true, but the problem is that securing/getting these resources out of country would cost more than the resources. No profit from it.

PLus, the political situation or lack there of would deter any one nation from trying it.

11/16/2006 3:39:58 PM

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"We need a UN peacekeeping force with real teeth and more power to handle situations like these, salisburyboys and "NWO" fearers of the world be damned."

This will come in time. The problem is that the level of corruption could be tragic if not planned out and executed well.

11/16/2006 3:41:31 PM

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"you cant help people who refuse it"

are you retarded? The people of Darfur want international help. They want protection from the government and the militias. It is a genocide.

11/16/2006 3:45:41 PM

My coworker from Nigeria was telling me how everyone there sees the United States as like Disney World. They line up for these voucher systems that select lucky ones to try and visit the U.S. and migrate.

11/17/2006 2:12:38 PM