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"When I raise my hand to take the oath on Swearing In Day, I will have the Bible in my other hand. I do not subscribe to using the Koran in any way. The Muslim Representative from Minnesota was elected by the voters of that district and if American citizens don't wake up and adopt the Virgil Goode position on immigration there will likely be many more Muslims elected to office and demanding the use of the Koran. We need to stop illegal immigration totally and reduce legal immigration and end the diversity visas policy pushed hard by President Clinton and allowing many persons from the Middle East to come to this country. I fear that in the next century we will have many more Muslims in the United States if we do not adopt the strict immigration policies that I believe are necessary to preserve the values and beliefs traditional to the United States of America and to prevent our resources from being swamped. The Ten Commandments and "In God We Trust" are on the wall in my office. A Muslim student came by the office and asked why I did not have anything on my wall about the Koran. My response was clear, "As long as I have the honor of representing the citizens of the 5th District of Virginia in the United States House of Representatives, The Koran is not going to be on the wall of my office." Thank you again for your email and thoughts. Sincerely yours, Virgil H. Goode, Jr."

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1221061goode1.html

This is pretty disgusting. Thoughts?

12/21/2006 2:41:21 PM

What's so disgusting about it?

12/21/2006 2:43:05 PM

Seems like I'd want them swearing on the Koran (sp?) rather than the Bible. I mean, we want them to swear on a Holy Book to them.

12/21/2006 2:50:22 PM

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"The Ten Commandments and "In God We Trust" are on the wall in my office. A Muslim student came by the office and asked why I did not have anything on my wall about the Koran. "

I would have had a field day with that little bastard if he asked me this.

12/21/2006 2:54:41 PM

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"What's so disgusting about it?"

12/21/2006 3:12:05 PM

Acceptance and tolerance are not Christian beliefs?

12/21/2006 3:16:37 PM

^more like they're not Muslim beliefs

12/21/2006 3:18:38 PM

it's disgusting because he's showing himself to be an intolerant, racist, arrogant, ignorant redneck - and he's one of the dumb fucks who represent us in Congress. If he wants to swear on the Bible, fine. nobody's stopping him. But if the bible doesn't happen to be the holy book of another representative, it's none of his business. Just because one representative swears upon the Koran doesn't impend on Goode's right to "have the Bible in [his] other hand". The whole swearing on a Bible/Koran/Torah/Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy is all for show anyway - it doesn't have anything to do with making an oath of office more or less legitimate. Maybe he should brush up on the Constitution a bit, specifically Article VI, paragraph 3:

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"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

not to mention, Goode is using this issue as a tool for his own agenda on immigration reform, when immigration has nothing to do with the issue at hand. "The Muslim Representative from Minnesota", Keith Ellison, is not an immigrant - he's an African-American with ancestors in the US back to the 1700's and was a Muslim convert in college. He's not a "person from the Middle East" who's here to "took 'ur jobs" or try to turn the country into an Islamic state.

[Edited on December 21, 2006 at 3:23 PM. Reason : .]

12/21/2006 3:19:11 PM

Christians are not obligated to pay lip service to religious viewpoints which are considered blasphemous. In effect, why are some of you trying to force the muslim faith onto Mr. Goode? He is morally obligated to not serve 2 masters. But he's a Christian so I guess it's ok.

I love the double standard here - it's perfectly fine to force Christians to accept other religions, but Heaven forbid if you dare wish somebody a Merry Christmas or put up a nativity scene.

12/21/2006 3:30:38 PM

^or try and practice Christianity in ANY Muslim country

Its not like we burn mosques in the U.S.

like how Christian churches are burned all over the Middle Least

[Edited on December 21, 2006 at 3:33 PM. Reason : .]

12/21/2006 3:32:20 PM

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"why are some of you trying to force the muslim faith onto Mr. Goode"

what in the name of black jesus are you talking about

12/21/2006 3:34:01 PM

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"I love the double standard here - it's perfectly fine to force Christians to accept other religions, but Heaven forbid if you dare wish somebody a Merry Christmas or put up a nativity scene."

jesus jumping christ. I 2nd ^ - wtf are you talking about.

This has nothing to do with forcing one's religion upon another. Congressman Ellison took his oath of office on a Koran. That's it. period. end of story. Or at least it should have been. But Goode was the one who decided to take it upon himself and make a big fucking deal out of it. Show me one place where Ellison has made any effort to force another representative to swear upon, touch, or even look at his Koran. In fact, show me anywhere where Kieth Ellison has been anything but passive, accepting and humble regarding the slander that he's endured since he was elected, including this display from Goode and the earlier, extremely insulting, interview he had with Glenn Beck on CNN.

12/21/2006 3:43:10 PM

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"Christians are not obligated to pay lip service to religious viewpoints which are considered blasphemous. In effect, why are some of you trying to force the muslim faith onto Mr. Goode? He is morally obligated to not serve 2 masters. But he's a Christian so I guess it's ok. I love the double standard here - it's perfectly fine to force Christians to accept other religions, but Heaven forbid if you dare wish somebody a Merry Christmas or put up a nativity scene."

He is talking about barring immigration into the US by mulsims and people from middle eastern countries. That has nothing to do with his personal faith.

12/21/2006 3:43:59 PM

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"it's disgusting because he's showing himself to be an intolerant, racist, arrogant, ignorant redneck "

I would like you to explain exactly what makes him ignorant (what is he uneducated about?), racist (what race is he against again? thought this had to do with religion), and most importantly what makes him a redneck?

sounds like you just looked up every PC bullshit term that makes all the kiddies feel good to throw aroudn these days and applied them...ignorantly!

12/21/2006 3:50:30 PM

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"sounds like you just looked up every PC bullshit term that makes all the kiddies feel good to throw aroudn these days and applied them...ignorantly!"

yes.... yes i did

12/21/2006 3:52:14 PM

I thought you people had a problem with Mr. Goode's whole response, which included his decision to not put up quotes from a blasphemous book.

Personally, I don't really care what book Ellison takes his oath on, within reason. Goode is well within his rights to object to his own personal use of the Koran. I do not advocate using the Koran in any way either, and why should I?

Given the fact that at least 1 well known terrorist was educated in the United States only to use his knowledge against this country, I can see where Mr. Goode would be greatly concerned about the influx of muslims. Look how they're destroying Europe, with the riots over the depiction of Muhammad or the Muslims who rioted in France earlier this year. Rapes at the hands of muslim men are way up in Europe as well. Blind acceptance for the sake of diversity and openness is just completely stupid. I have news for ya - muslim extremists would just as rather see a dead san franciscan hippie homosexual as they would a decent hardworking middle class american.

12/21/2006 3:54:20 PM

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"I thought you people had a problem with Mr. Goode's whole response, which included his decision to not put up quotes from a blasphemous book."

i have no problem with him not putting anything remotely Muslim up on his wall. Furthermore, I think it was a.... questionable question from the Muslim student - it should have been pretty obvious that Goode was Christian. However, the quote makes no indication that the student expected Goode to supplement his "In God We Trust" with a "Allah is the best" poster or whatever. If the student had expected that, it would have been an unreasonable expectation.

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"I do not advocate using the Koran in any way either, and why should I? "

you shouldn't. nobody said you should. nobody cares if you do or don't

[Edited on December 21, 2006 at 3:58 PM. Reason : .]

12/21/2006 3:58:16 PM

I can think of plenty of terrorists that were educated in the United States.

The simple fact of the matter is that discriminating on people based on their religion is fundamentally unconstitutional.

12/21/2006 3:58:31 PM

[Edited on December 21, 2006 at 3:58 PM. Reason : ,]

12/21/2006 3:58:44 PM

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20552

12/21/2006 3:59:16 PM

WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THIS THREAD

12/21/2006 4:00:13 PM

IT JUST GOES TO SHOW THAT IF WE HAVE AN OPEN IMMIGRATION POLICY THAT WHAT IS HAPPENING IN EUROPE CAN HAPPEN HERE TOO

12/21/2006 4:01:01 PM

DAMN I THOUGHT THIS THREAD WAS ABOUT VIRGIL GOODE'S RETARDED COMMENTS, NOT MUSLIMS RAPING PEOPLE IN SWEDEN

12/21/2006 4:01:51 PM

Did you not read what Mr. Goode wrote? Here's a recap for ya, since you missed it:

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"The Muslim Representative from Minnesota was elected by the voters of that district and if American citizens don't wake up and adopt the Virgil Goode position on immigration there will likely be many more Muslims elected to office and demanding the use of the Koran. We need to stop illegal immigration totally and reduce legal immigration and end the diversity visas policy pushed hard by President Clinton and allowing many persons from the Middle East to come to this country. I fear that in the next century we will have many more Muslims in the United States if we do not adopt the strict immigration policies that I believe are necessary to preserve the values and beliefs traditional to the United States of America and to prevent our resources from being swamped."

12/21/2006 4:02:58 PM

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"Given the fact that at least 1 well known terrorist was educated in the United States only to use his knowledge against this country, I can see where Mr. Goode would be greatly concerned about the influx of muslims. Look how they're destroying Europe, with the riots over the depiction of Muhammad or the Muslims who rioted in France earlier this year. Rapes at the hands of muslim men are way up in Europe as well. Blind acceptance for the sake of diversity and openness is just completely stupid. I have news for ya - muslim extremists would just as rather see a dead san franciscan hippie homosexual as they would a decent hardworking middle class american."

are you saying that a san franciscan hippie homosexual is of no value to society? Also, no one is proposing that we allow militant islamists into America.

And you are very correct in your assertion that at least 1 well known terrorist was educated in America. His name was Timothy McVeigh and another fellows name is Ted Kaczynski'

12/21/2006 4:03:04 PM

^^perhaps YOU should read it again

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"The Muslim Representative from Minnesota was elected by the voters of that district and if American citizens don't wake up and adopt the Virgil Goode position on immigration there will likely be many more Muslims elected to office and demanding the use of the Koran."

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"I fear that in the next century we will have many more Muslims in the United States if we do not adopt the strict immigration policies that I believe are necessary to preserve the values and beliefs traditional to the United States of America and to prevent our resources from being swamped.""

why you're talking about rapes in sweden is over my head i guess

or you're an idiot

[Edited on December 21, 2006 at 4:06 PM. Reason : .,]

12/21/2006 4:06:02 PM

You have wackos in every society. So 2 examples from the hundreds of millions of Americans who have been educated is a trend? Besides, I could only think of one example of this happening. Who knows about the countless nameless underlings in the al quada ranks that have not been exposed.

Why educate foreign muslims to begin with, when it's generally accepted that the United States is widely hated and despised by those who live in the middle east.

12/21/2006 4:06:10 PM

Good Lord. The rapes in Sweden have gone up because of the influx of muslims into their country. The Swedish have a lax immigration policy. Goode has advocated a stronger anti-immigration policy for muslims. I cited Sweden of an example of what could happen here in the United States if our policy was or remained more lax than it already is.

12/21/2006 4:08:14 PM

have you ever left the cave you were born in?

12/21/2006 4:08:18 PM

^ I'm surprised you've come up long enough from your boyfriend's dick to come up with that zinger.

12/21/2006 4:09:36 PM

MUSLIMS WANT TO RAPE OUR WIMMINS

America: Land of the Free Home of the Brave*

* offer only applies to white anglo-saxon protestants and bravery only extends to items that do not involve muslims.  
Muslims are scary

12/21/2006 4:14:31 PM

hah

Muslims are the new blacks


what will white american christians do if there isn't a race/ethnicity/group to worry about raping the white women?

12/21/2006 4:17:21 PM

Heaven help a Muslim if he's trying to cart off a busted up chiffarobe.

12/21/2006 4:20:18 PM

^^ I guess that's easy to say when nobody would touch 95 percent of your women with a 20 foot pole unless it had a knife on the end of it.

Besides, any woman, regardless of race or whatever, is fair game if they're not dressed in a way that doesn't tempt the man. Turning this into a white race uber alles issue is completely stupid and misses the point.

[Edited on December 21, 2006 at 4:24 PM. Reason : more]

12/21/2006 4:20:19 PM

^ [/tread]

12/21/2006 4:24:36 PM

Why is this shocking and distrubing?

Because couple this statement with what our good friend Robin Hayes just said:

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"Stability in Iraq ultimately depends on spreading the message of Jesus Christ, the message of peace on earth, good will towards men. Everything depends on everyone learning about the birth of the Savior"

Quoted by the Concord Standard and Mount Pleasant Times in a recent speech in his hometown, however that paper does not have the specific article online. It is only in print.

This quote by Goode is disgusting, and I welcome the day when bigotry and hate like this is extingiushed from mankind.

What are you people going to do when we elect a Buddist? Or gods help you an atheist?

[Edited on December 21, 2006 at 4:33 PM. Reason : But Muslims doooo this over there....why caaant weee?]

12/21/2006 4:32:36 PM

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"I'm surprised you've come up long enough from your boyfriend's dick to come up with that zinger. "

COMPASSIONATE CATHOLOCISM AT ITS FINEST

I didn't read all this crap, but are we really talking about immigration quotas on Muslims?

Who cares what he swears on?

12/21/2006 4:33:12 PM

^^ So world peace and good will towards others is disgusting?

You people...

^ Just calling 'em as I see 'em. One good insult deserves another...

[Edited on December 21, 2006 at 4:36 PM. Reason : ]

12/21/2006 4:35:56 PM

Why the shot at Catholics? It offends me that in a thread meant to attack religious intolerance that you bring that kind of crap up. Take a shot at him, not the entire lot of us.

12/21/2006 4:36:47 PM

^^ i edited it. i was referring to Goode's quote.

And in relation to having the only way peace on Earth is through praising Jesus' birth, its not disgusting.


Just plain stupid. This is like the Dark Ages all over again.

[Edited on December 21, 2006 at 4:38 PM. Reason : damn you posters!]

12/21/2006 4:38:07 PM

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"The rapes in Sweden have gone up because of the influx of muslims into their country. The Swedish have a lax immigration policy. Goode has advocated a stronger anti-immigration policy for muslims. I cited Sweden of an example of what could happen here in the United States if our policy was or remained more lax than it already is. "

I'm sorry, salisburyboy already did this thread, only he swapped "Mexicans" for "Muslims".

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"Why the shot at Catholics? It offends me that in a thread meant to attack religious intolerance that you bring that kind of crap up. Take a shot at him, not the entire lot of us. "

It's not a shot at Catholics, per say, moreso a shot at a poster who wears the church on his sleeve and then goes and spews junk like he does about keeping out the Muslims so they dont rape our women. Remember that whenever him or 2K posts.

[Edited on December 21, 2006 at 4:41 PM. Reason : .]

12/21/2006 4:39:02 PM

^^ From an individual point of view, I think Rep. Hayes is correct. Spreading the gospel of Jesus is the best way to preserve world peace and good will towards others.

I would not advocate our government doing this, however. But from his own personal point of view, there is nothing wrong or "dark ages" about it.

12/21/2006 4:43:07 PM

Better Hurry, I think a Muslim is raping your sister.

12/21/2006 4:43:20 PM

12/21/2006 4:43:48 PM

PinkandBlack, I bet you're of the opinion that women who are raped had what was coming to them then, because if you're blind enough to ignore the rise of rapes in Europe at the hands of muslim men for the sake of diversity or whatever other liberal iconic belief you embrace today then I truly feel sorry for the women of this country if your other political pols reflect your values.

[Edited on December 21, 2006 at 4:47 PM. Reason : ]

12/21/2006 4:46:37 PM

What do you care? I thought Europe was just a bunch of immoral God-haters anyway?

12/21/2006 4:49:10 PM

Regardless of what they are, they're still human beings who are victims of bad policies gone awry.

12/21/2006 4:50:39 PM

I'm of the school of thought that the punishment for the crime should be enough of a deterrent. A man who rapes a woman deserves the severest one possible within the bounds of what is defined as torture.

12/21/2006 4:52:37 PM

Well we finally agree on something.

12/21/2006 4:53:02 PM

Execept for that you seem to want to keep all the Muslims in the warzones of the middle east because of this group.

12/21/2006 4:54:32 PM