Glad to see the blacks want everything fair and open to all races, except when its the Congressional Black Caucus.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0107/2389.html

This ain't just some whitey trying to raise a stink. This guy is from Memphis, in a historically very black district, and he feels that the best way to represent his constituents is though a group like the Black Caucus. But apparently its an unwritten law that you can't have whitey in.

My question. If he wants to start the Congressional White Caucus and exclude blacks, is that fair, or would Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton be on the steps of Congress doing interviews where they spoke out vehemently against these groups of racists?

1/23/2007 9:14:24 AM

Oh noez! Discrimination against whitey again!

1/23/2007 9:33:24 AM

^Typical avoidance of the issue.

This is racial injustice, which ought to be protested.

1/23/2007 10:34:04 AM

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"They said the issue was that I was white, and they felt it was important that the group be limited to African-Americans."

can you even imagine if a black guy had been denied membership into a white group with the reasoning of "They said the issue was that I was black, and they felt it was important that the group be limited to Caucasians"

1/23/2007 10:55:18 AM

this hurts them on a lot of levels. stupid stupid move.

1/23/2007 11:17:12 AM

They are stuck in the past. Race-based politics went out of style in the 90's.

1/23/2007 11:18:19 AM

i PROMISE you this will not get as much press as it would if the races were reversed

1/23/2007 11:21:23 AM

In all seriousness, the CBC looks just as petty for excluding this guy as whites crying "exclusion!" and "injustice!"
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and no, it's not the same as a whites only group. Hopefully you will understand the difference by the time you finish college.

1/23/2007 11:25:16 AM

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"My question. If he wants to start the Congressional White Caucus and exclude blacks, is that fair, or would Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton be on the steps of Congress doing interviews where they spoke out vehemently against these groups of racists?"

he could start one. there's no law against it. it would be incredibly stupid though, given the history of this country. and yes, jesse jackson and sharpton and others would probably speak up.

1/23/2007 11:28:13 AM

its not the same as a whites only group yet "they felt it was important that the group be limited to African-Americans"

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"and no, it's not the same as a whites only group. Hopefully you will understand the difference by the time you finish college."

oh i'd love to hear this...please, explain to us how a black group keeping a white person out because he is white is any different than a white group keeping a black person out because he is black? please, i didnt learn that difference before i finished college, hopefully you can enlighten us to your advanced thinking

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"jesse jackson and sharpton and others would probably speak up."

understatement of the day

[Edited on January 23, 2007 at 11:29 AM. Reason : .]

1/23/2007 11:28:46 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_group
read

1/23/2007 11:31:55 AM

oh ok...so as long as you are racist against a non minority race its different and therefore not racist

real brilliant there, einstein

kinda like "feel free to make fun of Christianity, and Jesus, but if you even say a word about Islam or Allah you will pay!! Fucking bigot!"

1/23/2007 11:39:26 AM

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"this hurts them on a lot of levels. stupid stupid move. "

I agree.

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"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_group read "

That's completely irrelevant, their mission according to their website is:

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"With a focus on Education, Public Health, Economic Development and African Globalism, CBCF is the premier organization that creates, identifies, analyzes and disseminates policy-oriented information critical to advancing African Americans and people of African descent towards equity in economics, health and education."

They're NEVER going to achieve this without embracing the white majority in this country in a fair and equal manner. White people, at least on the policy level, do a lot to try and include blacks, and black groups should do the same. Appearances go a long way with the public, and being divisive doesn't help anything.

1/23/2007 11:58:33 AM

Yes, I agree that this is a dumb move. However, playing the paranoid white male card certainly doesn't help your own credibility.

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"oh i'd love to hear this...please, explain to us how a black group keeping a white person out because he is white is any different than a white group keeping a black person out because he is black? please, i didnt learn that difference before i finished college, hopefully you can enlighten us to your advanced thinking"

If you formed a whites only group built on the "white identity", what would be it's purpose? What would it advocate?

Until you can come up with a good answer for that question, it will always be taboo.

[Edited on January 23, 2007 at 12:11 PM. Reason : .]

1/23/2007 12:01:33 PM

It depends how you define "white identity." I'll warn you though before you try, there's no non-asinine way of defining that in this context.

1/23/2007 12:04:00 PM

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"and no, it's not the same as a whites only group. Hopefully you will understand the difference by the time you finish college your liberal indoctrination."

1/23/2007 12:05:29 PM

^^^ LOL, i'm not white.

1/23/2007 12:06:06 PM

I wasn't addressing you, moron.

1/23/2007 12:08:41 PM

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"oh i'd love to hear this...please, explain to us how a black group keeping a white person out because he is white is any different than a white group keeping a black person out because he is black? please, i didnt learn that difference before i finished college, hopefully you can enlighten us to your advanced thinking"

Because there's no good reason I can think of for whites ever needing to form a legitimate white only group.

The black caucus was founded at a time of a lot of racism in the gov. and society against blacks. There has never been such a time in the US against whites.

1/23/2007 12:12:40 PM

Things change.













[Edited on January 23, 2007 at 12:36 PM. Reason : Linky]

1/23/2007 12:31:18 PM

http://www.condiriceisangry.com/

1/23/2007 12:32:56 PM

i like the double standard

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"but if you even say a word about Islam or Allah you will pay!! Fucking bigot!" "

more like you will get blown up.

1/23/2007 12:36:57 PM

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"Because there's no good reason I can think of for whites ever needing to form a legitimate white only group."

I see...but can you really tell me that at any point in the future this group would EVER say "Well, it looks like our work is done, let us disband and join the normal population again."?

1/23/2007 1:03:28 PM

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"Because there's no good reason I can think of for whites ever needing to form a legitimate white only group"

first off, what good reasons are there for black only groups? cause you could come up with equivalent reasons for a white only group

if you dont see that its racist, you are a racist

1/23/2007 1:24:00 PM

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"first off, what good reasons are there for black only groups? "

Perhaps because of the racist undertones that still do and probably will forever exist in this country?

1/23/2007 1:26:45 PM

United Caucasian College Fund

1/23/2007 1:28:47 PM

^^So how does an all black group, that excludes non-blacks, do ANYTHING proactive to help alleviate those racial undertones? Give up? It doesnt, obviously.

Double standards are smacking some of you in the face and you just ignore them as being figments of your imagination or something...theres no such thing as "reverse racism"...racism = racism...exclusion = exclusion

1/23/2007 2:17:47 PM

PS: Forgot her--third in line of succession to be president.

1/23/2007 2:48:20 PM

^^ It doesn't, but I'm also not so foolish to think that blacks have the same shot at things whites do.

1/23/2007 3:09:30 PM

somebody post that "Niger --> Pls" picture.

1/23/2007 3:11:45 PM

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"^^ It doesn't, but I'm also not so foolish to think that blacks have the same shot at things whites do."

You're right. There are a whole host of opportunities I'm not afforded because I am white. Small business loans for minority and women owned businesses and college scholarships partly based on race being two that I was excepted from because of my color.

1/23/2007 3:12:44 PM

Token help.

1/23/2007 3:14:30 PM

^

1/23/2007 3:25:00 PM

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"Glad to see the blacks want everything fair and open to all races, except when its the Congressional Black Caucus. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0107/2389.html This ain't just some whitey trying to raise a stink. This guy is from Memphis, in a historically very black district, and he feels that the best way to represent his constituents is though a group like the Black Caucus. But apparently its an unwritten law that you can't have whitey in. My question. If he wants to start the Congressional White Caucus and exclude blacks, is that fair, or would Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton be on the steps of Congress doing interviews where they spoke out vehemently against these groups of racists?"

I heard about this issue pre-election. What happened was that this was Harold Ford Jr.'s congressional seat. Ford decided to run for Senate in Tennessee. This created a fractured Democratic primary in a majority black district where the Republicans are in effect a third party due to how district lines are drawn. What happened was that all the black candidates split the black vote and the winner was a Jewish Democrat Steve Cohen that ran against Harold Ford Jr. when he initially tried to take the congressional seat when his father, Harold Ford Sr., retired in 1996. When he lost to Ford Jr. in the primary by 25 points he made the following comment:

"It is impossible for a person who is not African American to get a large vote in the African American community . . . against a substantial candidate. The fact is, I am white, and it doesn't seem to matter what you do."

Which pissed off the black community.

Anyway, Cohen won the primary in 2006 because it was heavily fractured like I said even though he had raised far less money, which pissed off a lot of the African American Democratic establishment in Memphis, because they thought a majority black district should have a black congressman. So Harold Ford Jr.'s brother, Jake Ford, was parachuted in despite having never lived in Memphis since he was a child, and ran as an independent. Cohen won the election easily (60%) with Jake Ford taking second (22%) and the Republican in third (18%). Cohen after the election said he would seek to be the first white person in the Congressional Black Caucus due to the district he was representing. I guess this means he got declined.

Sounds like the CBC are playing politics. If they disallow him entry into the caucus, he is not able to say come 2008 election that he worked on "issues important to blacks", ensuring he cannot use that as a point on why he should be renominated over a black candidate that the black community will presumably be united behind. He wasn't going to win anyway just cause he's white, which sucks that people still think that way, but the CBC seem to be making sure of it and sending a message to black voters that the only way they can vote for a person to supposedly further blacks' interest in this country is to vote for a black candidate.

[Edited on January 23, 2007 at 3:49 PM. Reason : /]

1/23/2007 3:37:22 PM

Why does he have to be in the CBC to work on issues important to blacks?

1/23/2007 3:49:18 PM

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"Why does he have to be in the CBC to work on issues important to blacks?"

This is politics. Think about what charges a presumably black candidate will lob at him come primary election time.

1/23/2007 3:50:04 PM

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""It's an unwritten rule. It's understood. It's clear.""

*ahem* Congressional Black Caucus.

Looks pretty well-written to me.

1/23/2007 4:14:52 PM

^ So are whites disallowed from joining the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, otherwise known as the NAACP?

1/23/2007 4:17:08 PM

Of course not. You can very well be white and for the advancement of colored people. It's drastically less common to be both a white and black congressman at the same time, and Cohen isn't exactly mixed.

[Edited on January 23, 2007 at 4:19 PM. Reason : ...]

1/23/2007 4:18:56 PM

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"I'm also not so foolish to think that blacks have the same shot at things whites do."

you're foolish enough to not see a double standard staring you in the face

1/23/2007 4:24:31 PM

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"i PROMISE you this will not get as much press as it would if the races [and parties] were reversed"

1/23/2007 4:37:39 PM

^If you had "white Al Sharpton's" and they attempted to point out the inherent flaws in this situation, THEY would be labeled racists

1/23/2007 4:40:36 PM

You mean the KKK and other white supremacy groups? They exist too, ya know.

1/23/2007 4:52:59 PM

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"NAACP"

not =

National Association of Colored People for the Advancement of Colored People

There is a difference in syntax between this and the CBC

1/23/2007 4:55:25 PM

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"You mean the KKK and other white supremacy groups? They exist too, ya know."

Yes, and they are extremely racist...they also don't try to hide their racism...unlike CBC

1/23/2007 5:18:19 PM

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"You gotta ask, would they have allowed Bill Clinton in?"

AHAHAHAHAHA

No, but seriously, it looks like most of these folks don't want to include someone who does not share their uniquely black experience.

It's a shame they work that way, as it appears his constituents might benefit from his membership in the CBC. Or would they? I don't know what the original and current intent of the CBC is, but based on this, I can only assume it's a social club for black congresspeople to sit around and enjoy their blackness together. LAME

This is the part that bothers me:

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"Cohen won his seat in the 60 percent black district as the only white candidate in a crowded primary field. If he faces a primary challenge next year from a black candidate, as expected, some Black Caucus members may work to defeat him. A similar situation arose in 2004 after redistricting added more black voters to the Houston district of former Rep. Chris Bell, D-Texas. Although House tradition discourages members of the same party from working against each other, about a dozen black lawmakers contributed to Bell's opponent, Rep. Al Green, D-Texas, the eventual victor. Even Bell's Houston neighbor, Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, D-Texas, campaigned against him. One black member who criticized his colleagues for sandbagging Bell was Cohen's predecessor, Harold Ford. 'You have an incumbent, and you don't support an incumbent? It was inappropriate,' Ford told Congressional Quarterly in 2004.'"

1/23/2007 5:59:26 PM

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"You mean the KKK and other white supremacy groups? They exist too, ya know"

so you're equating Jesse and Al with the KKK?

Sounds about right.

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"So how does an all black group, that excludes non-blacks, do ANYTHING proactive to help alleviate those racial undertones? Give up? It doesnt, obviously."

Exactly. I don't think race is an overbearing issue anymore, but whatever racist undertones still exist are only aggravated by blacks playing "The Man Is Keeping Me Down" card. The way to fix it is for more and more black people to BE "The Man".

1/23/2007 6:08:54 PM

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"theDuke866: Exactly. I don't think race is an overbearing issue anymore, but whatever racist undertones still exist are only aggravated by blacks playing "The Man Is Keeping Me Down" card. The way to fix it is for more and more black people to BE "The Man"."

By excluding people, they are attempting to be The Man.

1/23/2007 6:18:14 PM

haha, that's not at all what i meant

1/23/2007 10:21:14 PM

The irony of a group trying to fight for equal rights and end racism, practicing racism. Gotta love ole double standards.

1/24/2007 9:05:50 PM