I fucking despise George W Bush. So, for once I can agree with liberals on something. And, also, any true conservative should also hate W. Although liberals n conservatives hate him for different reasons, many reasons actually overlap ie left n right share some common hatreds of GW Bush

2/28/2007 6:35:43 PM

Is this kind of like being a true fan?

OMFG NEVER BOO YOUR TEAM

2/28/2007 6:38:52 PM

Yeah I hate that guy, too.

I wish the Dems had produced viable alternatives in '00 and '04.

2/28/2007 6:51:44 PM

I agree completely


well I'm a pretty "bad" republican anyway, if I were to even get labeled as one since I despise church, don't care what gay folks do, and don't believe the government has a right to tell people what to do with their bodies

and I feel even worse about options in 08

I do feel that he was dealt a hand that few presidents have ever been dealt also

[Edited on February 28, 2007 at 6:56 PM. Reason : ..]

2/28/2007 6:55:40 PM

^

2/28/2007 11:43:13 PM

^^ you sound like a classic Libertarian (e.g. Goldwater Republican)

Quote :

"By the 1980s, the increasing influence of the Christian Right on the Republican Party so conflicted with Goldwater's libertarian views that he became a vocal opponent of the religious right on issues such as abortion and gay rights. Goldwater concentrated on his Senate duties, especially passage of the Goldwater-Nichols Act of 1986."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater

[Edited on February 28, 2007 at 11:49 PM. Reason : .]

2/28/2007 11:47:47 PM

Quote :

"Goldwater: I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution, or that have failed in their purpose, or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is 'needed' before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should later be attacked for neglecting my constituents' interests, I shall reply that I was informed their main interest is liberty and that in that cause I am doing the very best I can."

3/1/2007 12:09:35 AM

pretty good Wiki link on Mr Goldwater there

3/1/2007 12:04:47 PM

Saying that you're just going to repeal stuff is just as counterproductive as saying you're just going to do new stuff.

Sounds to me like he's just as far off balance, just on the opposite side.

3/1/2007 1:12:48 PM

I wish the Dems had produced viable alternatives in '00 and '04.

3/1/2007 1:21:13 PM

I feel that if it wasn't for the "Moral Revolution" in the 1990's most liberals and conservatives would have much more in common.

Maybe not entirely true, but i tend to see more of the same economic, educational, fiscal, and environmental goals from "true" blues and reds. Its that silly morality issues trumping all common ground thats more or less torn us apart.

not saying moral issues are bad...but the ones chosen as issues, have done nothing but breed mistrust and contempt.

3/1/2007 1:50:07 PM

^ Best example of that is the Abortion War. What have NARAL, Right to Life, etc. ever accomplished except fleece people for money? Roe vs. Wade has stood for 30 years pretty much unchanged. We have abortion allowed in the first trimester and then usually nothing after that unless in very extreme circumstances. All this money has gone to pro-life and pro-choice organizations and all that money has ever accomplished is one big stalemate. I'm going to start calling the Abortion Debate in this country the Iran-Iraq War: absolutely pointless.

[Edited on March 1, 2007 at 2:05 PM. Reason : .]

3/1/2007 2:03:55 PM

Quote :

"Saying that you're just going to repeal stuff is just as counterproductive as saying you're just going to do new stuff. Sounds to me like he's just as far off balance, just on the opposite side."

We need more repealing right now than new stuff. Freedom, personal responsibility and self-reliance aren't in vogue much these days. So I can see where many see Goldwater as off balance on the libertarian side.

Quote :

"...Which brings to mind the visit to Notre Dame in the fall of 1964 of Barry Goldwater’s running mate, Bill Miller, an ND alumnus who, shall we say, received a chilly reception in the land of the LBJ-Irish caucus. A reporter badgered Miller about Goldwater’s famous phrase in his acceptance speech at Cow Palace just three months before: "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice… moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." Miller listened patiently, and then asked the reporter, "Are you married?" "Yes," the young man answered, somewhat flustered. "Would your wife rather you were extremely faithful to her, or only moderately faithful?" End of press conference. "

3/1/2007 2:12:13 PM

speaking of Goldwater, I've always wondered how things would be different today if he'd defeated the worst President in the history of modern America, LBJ.

3/1/2007 5:45:11 PM

[Edited on March 1, 2007 at 5:49 PM. Reason : ah, you said modern]

3/1/2007 5:48:57 PM

well maybe now the whole country can unite under one banner and be the free peoples of middle-earth.

Quote :

"Miller listened patiently, and then asked the reporter, "Are you married?" "Yes," the young man answered, somewhat flustered. "Would your wife rather you were extremely faithful to her, or only moderately faithful?" "

that shit right there is Teh WiNz

[Edited on March 1, 2007 at 6:56 PM. Reason : fda]

3/1/2007 6:54:32 PM

Sie musst svear allegiance to Das Partie!!!!1

3/2/2007 12:23:00 AM

What's a "true" conservative?

3/2/2007 1:45:29 AM

A true conservative would not support massive spending and expansion of governmental powers just because theres a republican in office thats doing it.

3/2/2007 2:04:32 AM

Quote :

"We need more repealing right now than new stuff."

That may be true, but it's not what was quoted earlier. It may not seem like much, but imagine what opponents would say had Goldwater won and then enacted some new piece of legislation.

3/2/2007 2:49:04 AM

Well, it takes a legislative act to undo a legislative act, so in that sense its sort of a losing proposition.

3/2/2007 4:01:52 AM

Quote :

"speaking of Goldwater, I've always wondered how things would be different today if he'd defeated the worst President in the history of modern America, LBJ."

On the one hand it is unlikely that we would be in the fiscal situation we are in now. Without Johnsons Medicaid and Medicare, state and federal budgets look pretty good.

On the other had, some might argue that Medicaid and Medicare are what have staved off fully socialized medicine in the US. The honest truth is that half of health care expenses are currently paid for by some level of government [Medicaid, Medicare, State, Local and Federal Employee Programs, Local Hospital Indigent Care or the Federal Health Insurance Tax Deduction] and that will rise substatially over time.

3/2/2007 11:57:33 AM