should we allow those people to move back or should we privatise the city. i think privatising would be the most forward thinking thing to do.

4/29/2007 9:32:08 AM

Could you rephrase what you are saying? Who are the people and how would privatising the city not allow their return?

4/29/2007 10:13:39 AM

apparently, there are some residents who's homes have been demolished. i see it as a commercial interest now zoning the former neighborhoods for office condos and commercial properties.

4/29/2007 10:37:27 AM

So you are talking about an instance of eminent domain?

4/29/2007 11:09:44 AM

correct.

4/29/2007 11:16:19 AM

If it was govt land, ie housing projects or govt buildings, and they wish to sell that land and use it for something else..thats fine with me. Now taking someones personal property rarely seems fair, no matter what they call it.

4/29/2007 11:41:03 AM

but new orleans was a shithole before and after the hurricane. so its sort like building it up again.

4/29/2007 11:49:27 AM

It was a mistake to ever build in some of those areas and it would be an even greater mistake to allow rebuilding knowing we we do now.

4/29/2007 12:06:09 PM

definitely. i think we should remodernise the city, but for the purpose of its port status and make it more technologically sound. its an opportunity to be visionists i think.

4/29/2007 12:27:39 PM

It was pretty stupid to build the majority of the city below sea level.

4/29/2007 12:33:36 PM

how about we just nuke it? it was a shitty place before, why would it be any better now?

4/29/2007 12:46:42 PM

See, guys like this are reasons why liberal elitists and conservative elitists should be lined up on a wall and shot. They have little regard for commoners and just want to think "lets f*** over everyone so we could experiment".

If I owned the land that was there, the government is well within their rights to buy it from me if they offer a price I like. Otherwise, they can piss off. If the land should not be built up cause it's bad land, then insurance companies would not offer me insurance, which is what insurance companies should do in overbuilt coastal areas.

4/29/2007 6:17:13 PM

In this case, the only flood insurance available is from the Government; which has no choice but to insure all homes regardless of how stupid they are.

A million dollar beach-front home in Texas has been rebuilt by the federal flood insurance program 10 times.

4/29/2007 11:33:10 PM

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"It was pretty stupid to build the majority of the city below sea level."

The Netherlands is almost an entire country built below sea level. As long as someone doesn't fuck up big time, shit like this doesn't happen. I mean that's almost like saying we shouldn't build bridges because they might fall.

4/29/2007 11:46:16 PM

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"They have little regard for commoners and just want to think "lets f*** over everyone so we could experiment"

that's a bullsh!t statement. the opportunity is there to develope the correct way. the rebuilding of n.orleans could be a technological breakthrough if thought out by private companies with an interest in the land. it could be remarkable.

4/30/2007 12:45:25 AM

^^the netherlands has smart people. new orleans doesn't.

4/30/2007 12:47:44 AM

^^ And it could just as easily be one big corruption clusterf***, which is what government and private corporations cooperating usually turn into.

4/30/2007 9:30:35 AM

^^The Netherlands has smarter engineers than us?

[Edited on April 30, 2007 at 10:08 AM. Reason : ?]

4/30/2007 10:08:30 AM

Yes. It is because Dutch engineers are chosen based on merit and American engineers are chosen based upon political connections.

4/30/2007 10:59:52 AM

i don't recall the last hurricane to strike Holland either.

4/30/2007 11:10:04 AM

1953.
It wasn't a hurricane, but due to the topology of the land it was worse than a hurricane.

4/30/2007 11:37:36 AM

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"The Netherlands is almost an entire country built below sea level. As long as someone doesn't fuck up big time, shit like this doesn't happen. I mean that's almost like saying we shouldn't build bridges because they might fall."

What a horrible analogy. Holland might get a bad storm every now and then, as LoneShark said, but they don't have annual hurricane seasons!

4/30/2007 1:11:23 PM

that analogy was pretty lame. New Orleans was like a huge shit sandwich for the country. Katrina just blew air around it. it should be privatised.

5/2/2007 1:18:10 AM

^ It already was privatized. You're not arguing for privatization, you're arguing for eminent domain and then sell the land to whoever gives the most money to the party in control of Congress at the time. And then because of that corruption, everything would be done on the cheap and it would still be a s***hole.

You need to get out of idealism and realize what would really happen as opposed to what you want to have happen.

[Edited on May 2, 2007 at 10:31 AM. Reason : .]

5/2/2007 10:28:56 AM

interesting Flaming Ryan. i don't think it's too idealistic and this crap you spew about corruption at the congressional level is way off base, who are you "salisbury" ?

5/2/2007 12:37:47 PM

Please detail what will happen if you think this isn't idealistic.

I don't want some two-sentence paragraph and I don't want some article from a think tank who are notorious for their ulterior motives, tell me based on what YOU think: how land will be procured, how will land be given to private businesses if it was procured under government pretenses, how will land be declared usable if it was flooded, who will pay for land that was flooded and needs to be raised 10 inches to be declared good for use (this has gone on where I live after Hurricane Floyd), what will then be done by the private businesses that will make it great, and how it will remain affordable because you didn't create any more jobs for the whole region so no one's income will go up, otherwise you're doing gentrification, which has been done in D.C. and has made little difference to change the city's image.

Corruption and Congress are like peanut butter and jelly. My stance is based on observation of what has occurred in the past. You are more than welcome to tell me how representatives and private citizens will fight their natural urge for corruption when public land and public money and sale of land and hope for profits is at the fore.

Anyone can say everything can be great in two sentences with minimum details. That's why we're all on the Wolf Web. Convince me by laying out the process and what will happen in your ideas. I will then see what has happened in the past to your ideas when social engineers have done what you said and we can look at the results. My problem with social engineers is they're so deep into the forest, they can't see the trees. But I'm giving you a chance to prove me wrong that you're one of these dumbass social engineers that think with $1 million they can solve poverty: so tell me why is your idea so good?

[Edited on May 2, 2007 at 1:52 PM. Reason : .]

5/2/2007 1:50:17 PM