what is the hardest school or college at NC STATE to graduate from?
MAE?
BioMed Engineering?
Chem E?
or
College of Humanities and Social Sciences?

6/15/2007 10:08:46 AM

Most of those are major/degrees.

The undergraduate schools/colleges at NCSU are:

AGRICULTURE & LIFE SCIENCES
DESIGN
EDUCATION
ENGINEERING
FIRST YEAR COLLEGE
NATURAL RESOURCES
HUMANITIES & SOCIAL SCIENCES
MANAGEMENT
PHYSICAL & MATHEMATICAL SCIENCES
TEXTILES

6/15/2007 10:38:30 AM

this is [NEW]

6/15/2007 10:42:48 AM

What? What are these... Majors... you speak of?
You mean there is a difference between schools/colleges and majors?
Like there is some organizing structure to this?...
nahhh... next your going to tell me these schools/colleges are broken down into departments?

Man this died quick... and with it, a piece of my soul.

6/15/2007 11:13:55 AM

6/15/2007 11:48:47 AM

it took him a half hour to think of his comeback

6/15/2007 12:21:39 PM

i see what u did thar

6/15/2007 12:49:40 PM

wasnt there something about 1000 posts and new threads?

6/15/2007 1:34:49 PM

wow, he got owned big time.

how the fuck can you compare a college with majors?

he should be asking which major/college is the easiest... for himself.

6/15/2007 2:14:50 PM

the real Jimmy V is spinning in his grave

6/15/2007 2:51:37 PM

Who cares if he mistakenly, or even not, called them colleges instead of majors? The question still stands...

6/15/2007 3:53:24 PM

FAIL

6/15/2007 4:06:09 PM

It's impossible to take this question seriously when you list CHASS as one of the options...

6/15/2007 5:55:37 PM

no matter which major ....










Dont EVER give up!!!

6/15/2007 6:25:33 PM

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"Who cares if he mistakenly, or even not, called them colleges instead of majors? The question STUPIDITY still stands..."

There is no answer to a question like that. What I find easy maybe hard for others, and vice versa.

With that said, FOR ME, the hardest major would be English Literature or something along those lines, with lots of Middle English, and thousands of pages to write over 4 years.

6/15/2007 6:38:18 PM

COM is hard as hell!

6/15/2007 10:04:35 PM

nothing's hard to graduate from

it just depends on how much work you're willing to put yourself through

6/15/2007 10:13:57 PM

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"With that said, FOR ME, the hardest major would be English Literature or something along those lines, with lots of Middle English, and thousands of pages to write over 4 years."

I guess I have to agree with this sentiment.

However, in terms of majors that require the kind of thinking that I'm better at I'd have to say physics is probably the hardest, but it has to be the B.S., the B.A. allows you to dodge the hard parts.

6/16/2007 12:04:18 AM

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"It's impossible to take this question seriously when you list CHASS as one of the options..."

SCSTL

From someone who obviously has no knowledge of CHASS.

6/16/2007 5:25:48 PM

Africana Studies
Anthropology
Arts Applications
Communication
Criminology
English
Foreign Languages
History
International Studies
Leadership in the Public Sector
Multidisiplinary Studies
Philosophy
Political Science
Psychology
Religious Studies
Science, Technology and Society
Social Work
Sociology
Women’s and Gender Studies

...

That's all I really need to know. They don't have a single major which would help CHASS qualify as the "hardest college."

I'm COM, but I'm not foolish enough to think that COM should be on a list.

6/16/2007 11:10:49 PM

I don't know, I think quite a few guys would have trouble with Women’s and Gender Studies.

6/16/2007 11:28:42 PM

I think Natural Resources is probably the easiest

6/16/2007 11:32:40 PM

^^^ It was more that you seemed to completely dismiss CHASS. A lot of CHASS courses are harder than many think--I'll bet some of these know-it-all engineer types would have great difficulty in a number of these courses.

6/17/2007 11:28:50 PM

likewise, chass ppl would have a hard time with engineering. apples and oranges.

my vote goes to engineering. we aren't known for chass i can tell u that.

6/17/2007 11:39:37 PM

^ I never posted that CHASS was the "hardest" college. I (1) didn't want CHASS summarily dismissed--as happens all too often on TWW. And (2) I wanted to point out that many of the courses are much more difficult than some people think.

6/18/2007 12:13:56 AM

Engineering FTW

anyone w/ half a brain can do COM and lets not get me started on CHASS. But do not get me wrong when need people in all the colleges to fill a nitch in society. My engineering project would be useless if there wasn't some business person to promote it/sell it or some consumers with enough $$ to create a demand

6/18/2007 11:25:06 AM

niche

6/18/2007 11:39:01 AM

^ BINGO! And even the average CHASS student wouldn't have made such a mistake.

>.<

6/18/2007 11:44:29 AM

yeah i need CHASSers to evaluate and proofread my engineering reports so i can make an educated presentation at business meetings

6/18/2007 11:57:33 AM

^ Yes, now you have it.

PS: "CHASSers" (sic) should be a hyphenate (e.g, "CHASS-ers").



[Edited on June 18, 2007 at 12:03 PM. Reason : .]

6/18/2007 12:00:50 PM

I've been in both CHASS and PAMS, and they are equally difficult... just in different ways.

6/18/2007 12:53:45 PM

^ Thank you.

6/18/2007 2:37:06 PM

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"yeah i need CHASSers to evaluate and proofread my engineering reports so i can make an educated presentation at business meetings"

considering that I've run into engineering students who cannot form complete sentences when we were writing up our engineering labs (he was a junior in college for fuck's sake!) before, I'd say yes, you actually do

I'm in CHASS and Engineering. You can't do Engineering without CHASS skills, so don't act like they're simple or that they're below you: they're much more important than you'd figure. Certain papers have given me as much trouble as Thermo problems before, I promise you that.

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"niche"

hahahaha, I love you, Ergo

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6/18/2007 2:39:40 PM

^ PWNT! (Snicker.)

6/18/2007 2:44:12 PM

but lets not forgot if it were not for engineers you all would still handwriting your CHASS stuff in the Iron Age

6/18/2007 2:51:21 PM

^ Yeah, because it's impossible for anyone to write well and have good engineering skills. Do you see everything in such black-and-white terms?

BTW, visionaries in the humanities and social sciences are often the ones that dream up new concepts before engineers do a damn thing. So there!

PS: I can tell you this from experience: Today, the best solutions to complex problems come as a result of a multidisciplinary approach.

[Edited on June 18, 2007 at 3:03 PM. Reason : .]

6/18/2007 2:59:54 PM

ECE

6/18/2007 3:02:27 PM

Why do most people call the college they went to the hardest? To be honest, most people aren't going to get a degree in an area they consider personally very challenging -- they're going with something relatively easy that interests them. Considering the massive amounts of students graduating from all the colleges, I don't think any of them are that hard.

6/18/2007 3:04:58 PM

^ Hmm. . .sounds like "nonlogic."

6/18/2007 3:08:54 PM

Really!?!1 HAHA! I've never heard that!!

Have anything insightful to say or are you going to be a douche like the previous parts of the thread?

6/18/2007 3:29:51 PM

I'm nuclear engineering. I like it and find it very difficult as do probably 90% of the other NE majors. There are a couple freak of nature super geniuses that find it easy. I'm not trying to brag but I do think it belongs around the top of the "hardest majors" list.

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6/18/2007 3:37:51 PM

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"Why do most people call the college they went to the hardest? To be honest, most people aren't going to get a degree in an area they consider personally very challenging -- they're going with something relatively easy that interests them. Considering the massive amounts of students graduating from all the colleges, I don't think any of them are that hard."

for some people maybe..but something easy/very simple isnt really that interesting...so youre creating kind of a pardox there. I chose mechanical engineering so that i WOULD be challenged on a day to day basis even out in the real world on the job..that way it would be interesting and not as boring as other desk jobs.

6/18/2007 3:57:57 PM

^^ You're probably right.

^^^ If there's any douching to be done here, it should be to evacuate the waste product from your first post. Even if what you posted were true--"I don't think any of them are that hard"--there obviously could be a ranking of difficulty concerning the colleges.

So, accepting your premise for argument's sake, I might ask the following question: Of the not-so-hard colleges, which one is the hardest? As I indicated concerning your second post, nonlogic, sounds like "nonlogic" to me.



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6/18/2007 4:08:39 PM

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" like it and find it very difficult as do probably 90% of the other NE majors. There are a couple freak of nature super geniuses that find it easy."

The material wasn't that difficult. The teaching styles of 2-3 of the professors made it much harder than it should've been.

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"I chose mechanical engineering so that i WOULD be challenged on a day to day basis even out in the real world on the job"

I chose nuclear because I'd heard it was the hardest major on campus. If it had ever reached the point where I was struggling conceptually with every new idea, I probably would have changed majors. I understand that people want a challenge, or that they want "hard," but in general, people know their limits and don't typically push on with an endeavor that is leading nowhere.

It seems like people want to brag about the major they chose and call that hard, saying that engineers would have a hard time in English, or that forestry majors would have a hard time in chemical engineering. This reasoning is based mostly on biased samples ("I've met some engineers who can't form sentences, they must all suck at English!") and really leads nowhere.

The point is, there is no objective definition of the "hardness" of a major. I suppose some CHASS people will use some ad hominem technique to refute this point of mine, and I say proceed.

6/18/2007 5:00:09 PM

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"Today, the best solutions to complex problems come as a result of a multidisciplinary approach."

I have to disagree. At least for the class of academic problems which interest me. There is no bloody way a Ph D in English or Psychology or whatever fluffy major you'd like to choose will ever be able to solve say the vacuum energy problem in String Theory, or say find the correct mathematics for the quantization of gauge theories. Problems at the frontiers of theoretical physics are more and more only understandable by a select class of experts who have devoted decades of their genious to comprehend the problem. No amount of classical literary analysis or psychoanalysis is going to dent these questions.
On the other hand applying physics or math to social sciences seems to a be in vogue lately.

6/18/2007 5:02:00 PM

^^ yes but youre talking about choosing and comparing it to being IN the major. You said most people CHOOSE a major that they think will be easy for them and also interesting. and that is completely wrong in mine (and im sure many other people's cases). I chose it because i thought it would be challenging and it was.

of course if it ever got so hard i was failing classes then yea id drop out..but thats an entire different thing than choosing your major

6/18/2007 5:30:26 PM

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"I have to disagree. At least for the class of academic problems which interest me. There is no bloody way a Ph D in English or Psychology or whatever fluffy major you'd like to choose will ever be able to solve say the vacuum energy problem in String Theory, or say find the correct mathematics for the quantization of gauge theories. Problems at the frontiers of theoretical physics are more and more only understandable by a select class of experts who have devoted decades of their genious to comprehend the problem. No amount of classical literary analysis or psychoanalysis is going to dent these questions. On the other hand applying physics or math to social sciences seems to a be in vogue lately."

that's "genius," shit-for-brains

The real question is: what good is solving out string theory if you can't communicate your findings in a sensible manner? That's why it's interdisciplinary, not because an English major can do your job, but because he would likely be able to find the best way to explain it. You, who seemingly care little for effective communication when it's one of the most important pieces of what you do with your research. You can't just sit in a lab all day doing your theoretical physics experiments (ha, experiments for theoretical physics), but it means exactly jack shit if you don't do anything to communicate your findings.

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"This reasoning is based mostly on biased samples ("I've met some engineers who can't form sentences, they must all suck at English!") and really leads nowhere"

I AM AN ENGINEERING MAJOR, I've seen these people. When I tell you he couldn't form complete sentences, I'm not lying. That said, obviously that isn't the case with all of them: being an English major, I figure I'm more competent than some of my engineering peers (not to mention those terrible engineering writers I met in ENG 101) in written communication at minimum. But I've met more than my fair share of fellow engineers who absolutely hate English (and hated ENG 101). It's lame of them, really, since they're going to have to be able to use the language effectively in their engineering jobs. I hate it when people try to make excuses for their inability to be well-rounded in something as fundamental as their own native language.

6/18/2007 5:53:30 PM

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"I AM AN ENGINEERING MAJOR, I've seen these people. When I tell you he couldn't form complete sentences, I'm not lying"

well aren't you just the little special overachiever.

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"("I've met some engineers who can't form sentences,"

well you assumption does apply some false logic. I am not saying i would blow through with an A. But if I were a english major involving writing papers for all my classes, takeing essay tests, and reading literature as part of my curriculum; then my grammatical and writing skills would be very much polished up. Effectively I would not make the mistakes that TWW (english nazis) like to point out. Although since i am merely chatting on a message board i due tend to be more lax then if i was writing a lab report for a class or sending a professional email.

As a engineering major, however, most of my classes and tests involve solving equations and doing other engineering stuff. Most of which does not require writing prose or exceptional english skills. I do not even think most professor would deduct points if while writing a "solution" sentence made a grammatical error. So I really do not get to practice my CHASS skills but I know if i were taking those classes I could make my way through them just fine. Knowing my strengths, I decided to pursue a major in something I could do better and was more interested in then something like communication, english, sociology, or teaching.

I am glad I have to take ENG331 next summer session. This class will help me brush up my writing skills for my May graduation. Particularly this class is orientated toward engineers and giving them practice into doing the types of writing they will most likely do as a professional in the field

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"There is no bloody way a Ph D in English or Psychology or whatever fluffy major you'd like to choose will ever be able to solve say the vacuum energy problem in String Theory"

I agree. I may not be able to see all the themes, hidden meanings, metaphors, or whatever other analysis a English Major would use while writing a essay on a Shakespearean play. Contrary though I think I would do better in a advanced english class then stick a anthropology major into a Communications Theory or High Frequency Microwave circuits class. On average more people can do the "CHASS" work and get those jobs out of college then students excelling and graduating as an engineer. That is why engineers are paid 55K on avg v. the average CHASS degree holder making 35K. If engineering were easier then the economic rational choice would be for everyone to major in engineering.

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6/18/2007 10:58:15 PM

^^^^ I have to disagree with you--I do think I understand you're point, though. The problem is you seem to be focusing on specific disciplines in which some complex problem may be solved through a lifetime of dedication.

I was referring to complicated problems such as the world poverty-hunger cycle, for example, or the like. These types of problems can only be solved through a multidisciplinary approach--and no amount of debate will change my mind about that. In addition, I think you forget the role of support people in the kinds of breakthroughs you listed.

After all, many professors I have met--brilliant though they may be--can't work the fax machine. And most of them would be lost without the business and accounting majors, for example, that manage their grants and so on--the breakthroughs you described would likely never happen without the funding being properly maintained. This is just one example of the way multiple disciplines are a part of significant advances, whether directly or indirectly.

PS: The type of courses offered by CHASS involve much more than simply writing essays--many of the courses emphasize critical thinking skills. These skills have led me to ask something of you math and engineering folks: Please prove that CHASS abilities/knowledge and PAMS or Engineering abilities/knowledge (your choice) are mutually exclusive.

[Edited on June 18, 2007 at 11:29 PM. Reason : .]

6/18/2007 11:06:53 PM

oh and...

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"I hate it when people try to make excuses for their inability to be well-rounded in something as fundamental as their own native language.reading comprehension, logic, problem solving, and arithmetic"

6/18/2007 11:07:33 PM