http://youtube.com/watch?v=8xJeuJj6TDc

I read an article on this today. Absolutely disgusting. I really hope the bad press continues and our government will flex it's muscles on this one.

Volz was almost killed by a mob the day he was arrested. The police paraded him though town in the back of a truck as part of the public pre-trial (Duke LAX, anyone?). When a mob of people carrying sticks and machetes gathered around the police station the police took him out the front door to an awaiting truck to transport him to another prison. When the crowd started hurling stones all of the policemen except for one fled and the truck that was waiting took off. They literally ran down the street, Volz in handcuffs, and barricaded themselves inside a gymnasium. They were able to move into another building and escape the mob.

The Reagan administration was openly hostile towards the Sandinista party and the Nicaraguan president, Daniel Ortega. Ortega lost his presidency in the 1990 election and was out of office until being re-elected in November 2006. During that 16 year period there was a small surge of Americans relocating to Nicaragua as beachfront properties were cheap by comparison to their neighbors in Costa Rica. It seems as if the regained power of the Sandinistas has brought anti-American sentiment to the surface again. It's not a place I would want to visit anytime soon.

8/20/2007 2:16:03 AM

I'm visiting next week

8/20/2007 3:49:00 AM

Beaten in custody and wrongfully convicted?

Absolutely disgusting!

That never happens to white people here!

8/20/2007 4:03:06 AM

The international standard on prisoner treatment has been lowered.

8/20/2007 9:18:36 AM

^ WTF are you talking about?

8/20/2007 9:20:12 AM

^ Something to do with chicken wire, beach front property, dogs, and nekkid people I think.

8/20/2007 9:49:51 AM

we need to drop a bomb on those wetbacks and show them that we're the only ones who can be mistreating prisoners in this got-damn hemisphere, okay?

monroe doctrine FTW

8/20/2007 10:01:44 AM

Yes, definitely. Mistreated prisoners were completely unheard before the War on Terror.

8/20/2007 10:08:40 AM

true. the only difference is, we dont have moral ground to stand on when complaining about it any more.

8/20/2007 1:48:48 PM

I don't think we had moral ground to stand on in the first place. We have history in Nicaragua (and other places) that pre-dates Bush. Also, it's not like the Nicaraguan judiciary is some sort of paragon or Nicaragua is a bastion of human rights. I would be suprised if Volz's treatment varied significantly from that accorded to native Nicaraguans.

8/20/2007 2:11:12 PM

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"Beaten in custody and wrongfully convicted? Absolutely disgusting! That never happens to white people here!"

Volz's mother is Mexican, so you'll have to take your white guilt pity party elsewhere. Sorry.

The information I posted is really just supplemental to what's in the video. The video goes into more details about how much of a joke his trial really was. They have 10 witnesses who were with him at his office over two hours away when the murder took place. In addition they convicted another man of the same murder yet they did not even attempt to draw a connection between the two people who supposedly conspired together to commit the crime.

8/20/2007 3:11:30 PM

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"true. the only difference is, we dont have moral ground to stand on when complaining about it any more."

have you heard of the school of the americas? we lost the moral ground a long time ago

8/20/2007 4:25:37 PM

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"The Reagan administration was openly hostile towards the Sandinista party and the Nicaraguan president, Daniel Ortega."

That's putting it mildly. The Reagan administration supported a terrorist group with the aim overthrowing the Sandinista government.

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"Volz's mother is Mexican, so you'll have to take your white guilt pity party elsewhere. Sorry."

Uh, Mexicans can be as white as Americans. Here's the dude:

8/20/2007 4:37:20 PM

My bad. It's ok since he is mostly white. Nevermind him being an American citizen or a human being.

8/20/2007 5:42:06 PM

What's happened to him appears to be terrible and awful and horrific and completely unjust.

But that's what happens to people here in the US, too--US citizens and non-citizens...why should our government "flex it's muscle" over a country doing the same thing we do? There's only one answer to that. It's cause we're the United States of America, and we do what we want!

8/20/2007 6:02:01 PM

Did any of the people in this thread even read or watch what has happened to him? How can you say the US treats it's prisoners the same way? You're a fucking idiot if you think that is the case. Even if it were, does that in ANY WAY justify what has happened to him? For fuck's sake some of you shits need to get a clue.

8/20/2007 6:11:42 PM

^AHA, so you basically want this thread to be all of us posting, "Oh, man, that sucks. That's terrible! How disgusting!" Without a single mention that similar shit goes down in the US?

8/20/2007 6:16:31 PM

REMEMBER EVERYONE, THE UNITED STATES IS THE WORST PLACE IN THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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8/20/2007 6:18:14 PM

I've never suggested the US is the worst place in the world. I'm just wondering what the fuck Ytsejam expected from this thread.

And don't lump me in with OEP. He and I are nothing alike.

8/20/2007 6:20:02 PM

As a gesture of goodwill, we should try some of the folks from Reagan's government for war crimes.

8/20/2007 6:26:44 PM

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"But that's what happens to people here in the US, too--US citizens and non-citizens...why should our government "flex it's muscle" over a country doing the same thing we do? There's only one answer to that. It's cause we're the United States of America, and we do what we want!"

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"AHA, so you basically want this thread to be all of us posting, "Oh, man, that sucks. That's terrible! How disgusting!" Without a single mention that similar shit goes down in the US?"

The difference between you and I is that you see injustice and blame everyone except yourself. I see injustice and point my finger at the people involved.

This has nothing to do with Guantanamo Bay or some death row inmate who has been exonerated after twenty years in prison. We all know that America makes mistakes. Grow up.

[Edited on August 20, 2007 at 6:34 PM. Reason : s]

8/20/2007 6:33:43 PM

^So what do you want this thread to be about?

Just a legacy to Eric Volz and how outraged we all are?

Fine, let's get theDuke to delete this thread, and we'll start over with explicit instructions that only posts of outrage towards Nicaragua should be shared. Anything else will be intepreted as not "grown-up."

Dumbass.

8/20/2007 6:44:41 PM

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"This has nothing to do with Guantanamo Bay or some death row inmate who has been exonerated after twenty years in prison. We all know that America makes mistakes. Grow up. "

What do you call a mistake that we continue to make, and that our leaders turn a blind eye to?

8/20/2007 6:45:49 PM

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"So what do you want this thread to be about?"

I want it to be about "OMGAH AMERICA DOES THIS, OMGAH AMERICA DOES THAT, OMGAAAHH GUESS WHAT WHITE PEOPLE DO." It's tired. Your lack of compassion shows me that you just aren't a very genuine person.

I posted this thread to raise awareness. Nothing more. Making fun of you is just an added benefit.

8/20/2007 7:04:53 PM

^Your characterization of me is all wrong. The fact that you're only responding to me when most everybody else is saying similar shit is telling, and it would be apparent to anybody who reads this board regularly what you're trying to do.

You missed the irony in your own thread, and now you're embarassed. So you're coming after me, the weak-minded dumbass, trying to get me to say something stupid so you can come out on top of your lame ass thread.

Why haven't you responded to guth, GoldenViper, moron, joe_schmoe, A Tanzarian, and RedGuard...they all broke your NO BAD TALK ABOUT THE US rule, too.

[Edited on August 20, 2007 at 9:03 PM. Reason : I think you're a big a fat pussy. Not even a bitch...just a straight up pussy.]

8/20/2007 9:02:44 PM

YOU GOT KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT!

8/20/2007 9:35:32 PM

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"Why haven't you responded to guth, GoldenViper, moron, joe_schmoe, A Tanzarian, and RedGuard...they all broke your NO BAD TALK ABOUT THE US rule, too."

I <3 bad talking the US. I just think you should sound halfway intelligent when you do. Guth actually made a good point about the School of Americas as did GoldenViper about the Reagan administration. They were actually in line with my initial post about this guy's imprisonment being as much political as anything. Moron didn't actually make a point, so there was nothing to discuss. The others were "meh," but you brought your special kind of stupid to this thread.

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"I think you're a big a fat pussy. Not even a bitch...just a straight up pussy."

Apparently I touched a nerve.

[Edited on August 20, 2007 at 10:47 PM. Reason : l]

8/20/2007 10:45:53 PM

If Volz is innocent, he should be freed, of course. Either way, it does sound as if he was mistreated.

However, I don't like the idea of our government flexing its muscles against Nicaragua. We've done enough to that country in the past. If we try to push them around some more, I seriously doubt that'll improve things.

8/21/2007 12:41:47 PM

^^guth is always talking about the School of the Americas.

And GoldenViper's point about the Reagan administration was obvious. The fact that you find it "halfway intelligent" is concerning, as all he did was share the truth about the fact that the Reagan administration was more than just "openly hostile" (as you put it) towards the Sandinista party. With Reagan's funding, the Contras raped, tortured, and slaughtered civilians--in some cases, per American training manuals.

I mean, anybody with a passing knowledge of our involvement in that region would know that we should not go "flexing our muscles" there.

8/21/2007 2:15:42 PM

Nicaragua's economy also went to hell after the revolution, partially because of the Contras.

Nicaraguans are considerably poorer now than they were in the 1970s.

According to the Penn World Tables, Nicaraguan GDP per capita is back to 1950s levels now.

8/21/2007 2:35:28 PM

I always figured illegal immigration was sorta our punishment for undermining numerous economies in Central and South America. But cheap labor doesn't seem like much of a punishment.

8/21/2007 3:01:00 PM