mathman All American 1631 Posts user info edit post |
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/09/29/387278.aspx
This makes me sad. While he may be a hypocrite, he could articulate conservative ideals better than pretty much anybody else I've heard in the current political arena.
Apparently he thinks somebody that's running has a good chance, I don't see it. If rudy or mit gets the nomination I'm not interested. If I'm not interested there goes the working passionate portion of the republican base.
I don't buy this 527 cop-out for a minute.
good grief, HRC may be our next president.
9/30/2007 7:25:53 PM |
theDuke866 All American 52840 Posts user info edit post |
yeah, if Giuliani or Romney get the nod, I won't vote GOP. I'll either sit at home, go to the polls and vote for everything but President, or piss a vote away on a Libertarian candidate.
I don't know enough about Thompson, yet. My guess is that I would probably vote for him, but not really be on fire about it.
I like McCain and Ron Paul, but Ron Paul has no chance at all, and McCain's isn't looking so good. 9/30/2007 7:42:33 PM |
aaronburro Sup, B 53068 Posts user info edit post |
and the irony is that Ron Paul has the best chance of being elected of all of the republicans 9/30/2007 8:48:06 PM |
Dentaldamn All American 9974 Posts user info edit post |
this election is going to be awesome for so many reasons. 9/30/2007 9:59:57 PM |
joe_schmoe All American 18758 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Newt is not running this time" |
as opposed to when he ran for pres a different time? heh.
anyhow, i find it interesting that a big fan of Newt is so vehemently opposed to Hillary.
back in 94 when i was still voting Repub, I thought Newt was a genius. and even though ive been a solid Dem for over 10 years now, i still have a definite aversion toward Hillary. I'd probably not vote for her in the General election just out of principle.
Quote : | "and the irony is that Ron Paul has the best chance of being elected of all of the republicans" |
in a general election, but he'll never make it past the GOP money and hired guns in the primaries
[Edited on September 30, 2007 at 10:08 PM. Reason : ]9/30/2007 10:05:36 PM |
hooksaw All American 16500 Posts user info edit post |
Gingrich is a very smart guy and he has a lot of credentials--academic, political, conservative, and so on. But I can't stand to hear him talk--the sound of his voice just turns me off.
And people forget how high his negative numbers were. I mean, if you really want to fire up the left-wing attack machine, bring back Gingrich. I would prefer not to have to vote for him--but I certainly would versus HRC. 10/1/2007 12:43:33 AM |
joe_schmoe All American 18758 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Hillary is a very smart gal and he has a lot of credentials--legal and political scholar, married to #42, and so on. But I can't stand to hear her talk--the sound of her voice just turns me off." |
10/1/2007 1:11:30 AM |
theDuke866 All American 52840 Posts user info edit post |
i suppose i'd prefer hillary to any of her competition
but there's something about her that just rubs me wrong, even by Dem standards,
i have this feeling that i've got 4 more years of political homelessness. 10/1/2007 1:33:13 AM |
Erios All American 2509 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "i have this feeling that i've got 4 more years of political homelessness." |
Ditto.
I can't say I agree with Gingrich's positions anymore than some of the mainstream GOP candidates. However, I agree with the sentiment that he "could articulate conservative ideals better than pretty much anybody else I've heard in the current political arena."
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pZYTS2qzT0E
Gingrich had a great debate on Meet the Press with Senator Dodd. Afterwards, the two of them shoke hands, even shared a few jokes at each other's expense. More improtantly, they called for a series of in depth debates to critically examine the Iraq War and discuss what to do about it.
It's nice to see a cordial, thoughtful discussion between two polar opposite politicians.10/1/2007 7:27:14 AM |
Dentaldamn All American 9974 Posts user info edit post |
how about 8 years of political homelessness.
you dont got shit on me
[Edited on October 1, 2007 at 8:30 AM. Reason : and more to fukin come] 10/1/2007 8:30:41 AM |
theDuke866 All American 52840 Posts user info edit post |
^^ yeah, i just don't trust him, even by politician standards.
^oh, i've been politically homeless for more than 4 years...at least 8, and really more like 12-15. i'm just saying that it looks like the GOP still hasn't learned, and i can expect at LEAST 4 more years of it.
which is a shame, because it's not like i'm some fringe wacko or have some oddball political ideology. 10/1/2007 9:57:25 AM |
Opstand All American 9256 Posts user info edit post |
What cracks me up is that the right is claiming that if HRC gets elected there is going to be some huge swing to the left...when in reality she is probably the most moderate of all the Democratic candidates.
Honestly I don't care about Newt though. He might be smart and whatever, but he took hypocrisy to a new level when he was lambasting Clinton for the Lewinsky affair while cheating on his wife at the exact same time. He's always come across as a typical slick, crooked politician to me so I'm happy there is one less of those in the field.
Can't say I'm happy about the thoughts of HRC winning either though. I just hope when (and I think we can all agree it's more a "when" at this point than an "if") she wins she proves a lot of us wrong. Sadly the candidates that best represent their parties on both sides of the fence this election have fallen victim to typical media behavior and aren't getting appropriate amounts of air time because they just aren't sexy enough. 10/1/2007 10:39:46 AM |
theDuke866 All American 52840 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "What cracks me up is that the right is claiming that if HRC gets elected there is going to be some huge swing to the left...when in reality she is probably the most moderate of all the Democratic candidates." |
other than prob Gov. Richardson
but yeah, she's not as far to the left as some believe
although she's waaaay too far to the left for my tastes10/1/2007 11:38:55 AM |
hooksaw All American 16500 Posts user info edit post |
Gingrich killed on This Week with George Stephanopoulos--even though he backed out of the '08 race and I'm glad he did.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3671797&page=1
(Click on the videos.) 10/2/2007 12:03:52 AM |
joe_schmoe All American 18758 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Gingrich ... announced that he would not be a Republican candidate because it would prohibit him from continuing to work with his [non-profit] American Solutions organization....
He went on to rail against campaign finance laws. "The McCain-Feingold Act criminalizes politics ... We were informed yesterday morning that if I had any communication with American Solutions after I became a candidate, it was a criminal offense." |
so... i guess Newt learned his lesson from the last time he tried evading election laws and funding political schemes with non-profit foundations and PAC donations.
the ensuing House Ethics Investigation (in a Republican controlled House, no less) cost him the Speakership and his Congressional Seat.
See, I knew he was a smart guy. He won't get foo'd again.
What's interesting to note, is that all this is from the guy who made "Campaign Financing" the centerpiece of his "Contract With America" that defined the 1994 Republican takeover of the US House after 20-some years of solid Democratic control. Then, strangely enough, once the Repubs took power the whole issue of campaign financing was tossed to the side and never addressed again -- until McCain and Feingold crafted the bipartisan legislation we have today.10/2/2007 12:46:48 AM |
Arab13 Art Vandelay 45180 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "although she's waaaay too far to the left for my tastes" |
that's how i feel....
thus anyone but clinton10/2/2007 9:13:13 AM |