An elementary school has nixed the annual Halloween party:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/education/article/0,1299,DRMN_957_5713121,00.html

Here are some Anti-Halloween articles from the Christian Broadcasting Network:

http://www.cbn.com/special/halloween/


Federal Court fights back attempt to outlaw Halloween:
http://religionclause.blogspot.com/2007/09/court-says-halloween-decorations-are.html


How, on one hand, can Christians complain that secularists are trying to destroy Christmas...when they are trying to get people to stop celebrating Halloween?

I am quite comfortable in the fact that I can dress up as a shambling hollow-eyed zombie in search of brains AND enjoy Jolly Ol' St. Nick just two months later.

[Edited on October 4, 2007 at 10:38 AM. Reason : boo!]

10/4/2007 10:37:51 AM

McCain just said we're a Christian nation... did you not get the memo?

10/4/2007 10:41:04 AM

the annual "halloween is evil and immoral" protests...yawn

10/4/2007 10:41:57 AM

omg the kids are putting on costumes and worshipping the devil on 10/31. As good christians it is our godly duty to ban halloween

10/4/2007 10:59:37 AM

I really think it's a vocal minority of Christians that are trying to fight against Halloween. Most Christians that I know have no problem with it, there are just a select few that always seem to have problems with everything (Happy Holidays, Halloween, Harry Potter, etc.).

And you know how America is nowadays... offend three people and the other 299,999,997 have to accommodate.

10/4/2007 11:00:04 AM

yeah in my opinion those reactionary hard-core Christians are just as bad as the fundamentalist muslims in the middle east. Thank god they are a much smaller % of the population then in places like Iran or Saudi Arabia.

Ban halloween, pre-marital sex, abortion, drinking, and porn in the name of Allah God

10/4/2007 11:06:41 AM

yep...those hardcore devout Christians are just as bad...strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up dozens of people in a public marketplace...fucking hardcore Christians in the US!

10/4/2007 11:08:30 AM

yeah man i agree it is pretty fucked up

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_city_bombing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centennial_Olympic_Park_bombing

Also, they do not feel the desperate pressure to conduct an underground guerrilla warfare / terroist attacks since they get such a big voice in politics through republicans politicians like Bush. Neither is there an occupying force or a country exerting a dominant sphere of influence within the US to prevent the Reactionary Christians from living there lives the way they want. As McCain said "We are a Christian Nation"

[Edited on October 4, 2007 at 11:18 AM. Reason : l]

10/4/2007 11:11:00 AM

yeah i agree, two attacks in the last 12 years not committed in the name of a God is exactly the same as suicide bombers every single day in iraq and other middle eastern countries in order to go to heaven and get allah's blessings

btw i dont think mcveigh blew himself up now did he

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"they do not feel the desperate pressure to conduct an underground guerrilla warfare / terroist attacks since they get such a big voice in politics through republicans politicians like Bush"

maybe...or maybe they're just not as brainwashed into religious violence as the radical muslims in the middle east?

HAY GUYZ LETS BLOW UP SOME OTHER MUSLIMS SINCE THE AMERICANS ARE IN OUR NEIGHBORING COUNTRY

[Edited on October 4, 2007 at 11:21 AM. Reason : .]

10/4/2007 11:19:19 AM

It's not the same in terms of scale but the ideology is certainly similar.

10/4/2007 11:21:54 AM

i'm agnostic...i don't want anything to do with religion

but neither the OKC or the olympic bombing was a suicide bombing, and neither was done in the name of religion

so how are the ideologies similar?

10/4/2007 11:23:41 AM

And who compared Christians to Islamic terrorists, anyway?

Fundamental Islam is not necessarily terrorism.

Who'd have thought Tree would jump to a stupid conclusion in order to take a cheap shot at liberals?!

10/4/2007 11:25:14 AM

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"How, on one hand, can Christians complain that secularists are trying to destroy Christmas...when they are trying to get people to stop celebrating Halloween?"

I think it's more of a retaliation.

The question is: How, on one hand, can secularists complain that the Christians are trying to destroy Halloween...when they are trying to get people to stop celebrating Christmas?

10/4/2007 11:25:24 AM

you'd think that instead of getting all bent out of shape over halloween, these christian nutbags would just emphasize all saint's day, november 1st.

you know THE WHOLE ORIGINAL POINT OF ALL HALLOW'S EVE

[Edited on October 4, 2007 at 11:28 AM. Reason : *]

10/4/2007 11:28:06 AM

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"who compared Christians to Islamic terrorists, anyway?"

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"reactionary hard-core Christians are just as bad as the fundamentalist muslims in the middle east"

wait!

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"Fundamental Islam is not necessarily terrorism."

and neither is hardcore christianity

who'd have thought HUR would jump to a stupid conclusion in order to take a cheap shot at Christianity? And who'd have thought Boone would ignore it when he could bash me for simply showing HUR the error of his ways

10/4/2007 11:30:25 AM

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"reactionary hard-core Christians are just as bad as the fundamentalist muslims in the middle east"

Where in this sentence was terrorism mentioned?

10/4/2007 11:31:32 AM

i like how fundamental christians are the worst people in the world to you, but you'll bend over backwards to insinuate that radical islam isnt any worse

btw i'm pretty sure halloween, abortion, porn, etc are still legal in the US

[Edited on October 4, 2007 at 11:34 AM. Reason : .]

10/4/2007 11:32:56 AM

But I'm still not sure when anyone called Christians terrorists?

I'm reading through it again, and it appears that you were the first person to use that word.

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"btw i'm pretty sure halloween, abortion, porn, etc are still legal in the US"

That's because 1) religious fundamentalists are a minority in our country, unlike in the Middle East, and 2) our country's laws were designed to protect us against religious fundamentalism, unlike in the Middle East.

[Edited on October 4, 2007 at 11:37 AM. Reason : .]

10/4/2007 11:35:29 AM

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"I'm reading through it again, and it appears that you were the first person to use that word."

Ctrl + F, technogenius (whoops, actually HUR spelled it 'terroism'

also you must have HUR on block or something since you missed the links to McVeigh, Olympic bombing, etc

^and i'm glad the US is how it is


[Edited on October 4, 2007 at 11:38 AM. Reason : .]

10/4/2007 11:37:01 AM

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"strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up dozens of people in a public marketplace"

Yeah, that was you.

10/4/2007 11:38:16 AM

LOL a Ctrl+f on this thread shows that Boone was the first person to actually post the word "terrorist." Since we're talking semantics now.

10/4/2007 11:38:16 AM

Yeah, if we were playing semantics.

If we were actually having an honest debate, Tree was the first to reference terrorism with

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"strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up dozens of people in a public marketplace"

10/4/2007 11:39:49 AM

i'm having to try and convince people that radical muslims blow themselves up a lot more than hardcore devout christians...like i said, common sense isnt so common anymore

and this is what prompted that comment

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"those reactionary hard-core Christians are just as bad as the fundamentalist muslims in the middle east"

do you agree with HUR's statement?

[Edited on October 4, 2007 at 11:41 AM. Reason : .]

10/4/2007 11:40:02 AM

^^Why exactly does that matter again?

10/4/2007 11:41:27 AM

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"do you agree with HUR's statement?"

Assuming HUR wasn't talking about the terrorist fringe of fundamental Islam, then yes, I agree.

Both groups seek a theocracy. I greatly prefer the Christian religion over Islam, but that's merely personal preference. The fact is that both groups seek to impose their religious beliefs on people through the power of government.

The mere fact that Islamic fundamentalists have been much more successful in their endeavors doesn't make their ideology any worse.

10/4/2007 11:47:33 AM

I become more and more convinced that Christians (or anyone that follows a fundamentalist regimen of any religion, for that matter) are simply jealous of the rest of us because we can allow ourselves to have fun and not be burdened by the "fact" that we're all going to burn in hell forever and that our only reward for being good is to spend the rest of eternity worshipping Jesus. They see all of that and can't stand it, but they're too proud/stupid to drop the facade that their bullshit is for real, so the only option left to them is to try to piss on everyone else's parade. If they can't be happy with life, why should the rest of us?

10/4/2007 11:48:58 AM

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"i'm having to try and convince people that radical muslims blow themselves up a lot more than hardcore devout christians...like i said, common sense isnt so common anymore"

This is b.c the hardcore christians do not need to conduct acts of terrorism in order to try and initiate change in politics and society as much as the hardcore Muslims in Iraq trying to bring about a new Fundamentalist Islamic Order in the wake of a US occupying force and a relatively secular Iraqi population when compared to the surrounding muslim nations.

Also, radical christian clerics do not advocated that you will go to heaven and spend eternity with 27 virgins if you strap on this bomb in the name of Allah. Although Jim Jones did convince 900 people to commit suicide in the 70's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown

Tree is once again getting this topic off track with his " I am smarter then everyone else" trolling attitude

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"Both groups seek a theocracy. I greatly prefer the Christian religion over Islam, but that's merely personal preference. The fact is that both groups seek to impose their religious beliefs on people through the power of government."

exactly

^ yeah I do not understand where a lot of these radical christian "lifestyle choices" originate. I have read the bible and do not interpret all the strict lifestyle choices that these religious crazies follow denouncing those who are "sinners" for living a more open and free lifestyle.

[Edited on October 4, 2007 at 11:51 AM. Reason : l]

10/4/2007 11:49:14 AM

what does make their ideology worse is how they go about trying to spread their beliefs...in my experience with Christians trying to spread Christianity, they might've hated homosexuality, but they didn't execute homosexuals...they might've really really wanted you to be Christian, but I don't recall any of them blowing shit up in that cause

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"Assuming HUR wasn't talking about the terrorist fringe of fundamental Islam"

I assumed he was talking about the terrorist/fundamental fringe of Islam

^HUR many countries in the middle east that are victims of muslim suicide bombing attacks already have islam in place...so its not in order to initiate changes in society or govt

also you can find a few bits of suicide brainwashing by christians over the last few decades...i could find a few thousand bits of suicide brainwashing by muslims over the last few months

[Edited on October 4, 2007 at 11:51 AM. Reason : .]

10/4/2007 11:49:58 AM

^ I guess you forgot about all the inquisitions during the early modern era, renaissance, and the middle ages.

[Edited on October 4, 2007 at 11:52 AM. Reason : l]

10/4/2007 11:52:24 AM

i guess you forgot about muslim suicide bombers in the middle east every day HERE IN 2007

i dont have to go back to before my great great great great great great grandparents were born to find more than a handful of examples

[Edited on October 4, 2007 at 11:54 AM. Reason : .]

10/4/2007 11:53:40 AM

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"they might've really really wanted you to be Christian, but I don't recall any of them blowing shit up in that cause"

^There you go again.\/

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"I assumed he was talking about the terrorist/fundamental fringe of Islam"

You know what happens when you assume.

10/4/2007 12:01:41 PM

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"Assuming HUR wasn't talking about the terrorist fringe of fundamental Islam, then yes, I agree"

you know what happens when you assume

does the whole freedom of religion aspect of our constitution somehow prevent you from acknowedging what radical sector of a certain religion is currently the biggest violent threat in the world?

[Edited on October 4, 2007 at 12:09 PM. Reason : typo]

10/4/2007 12:08:12 PM

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"you know what happens when you assume"

I was assuming to not assume anything. Note that only one of us jumped to conclusions here.

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"does the whole freedom of religion aspect of our constitution somehow prevent you from acknowedging what radical sector of a certain religion is currently the biggest violent threat in the world?"

This doesn't even make sense. Is fundamental Islam our biggest threat, or fundamental Islamic terrorists? There's a difference, you know.

10/4/2007 12:14:28 PM

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"I was assuming to not assume anything"

huh? talk about not making sense

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"Is fundamental Islam our biggest threat, or fundamental Islamic terrorists? There's a difference, you know."

I think what you're intending to say is this

"Is Islam our biggest threat, or radical Islam (terrorist Islam)? There's a difference, you know."

Hence why I'm not blanketing Islam...but simply the radical/fundamental part who carries out terrorist acts every day

[Edited on October 4, 2007 at 12:19 PM. Reason : .]

10/4/2007 12:18:55 PM

leave it to treetwista to somehow warp a thread about radical Christians which i compared to being like fundamentalist Muslims trying to regulate the morale and social lives of people then Tree comes in to turn it into a thread on terrorism.

10/4/2007 12:23:31 PM

i pointed out that radical muslims are worse than radical christians right now since they apparently use a lot of violence...leave it to HUR to say "no they're both just as bad" by bringing up Crusades that happened 1000 years ago, when we're talking about whats happening nowadays

if every time somebody brings up radical christians and they immediately bring up imagery of things they do, like try and spoil people's halloween fun, try to limit freedoms that they don't think are christian, etc...then whats wrong with bringing up imagery of things radical muslims do, like blow themselves up in crowded marketplaces filled with other muslims?

[Edited on October 4, 2007 at 12:27 PM. Reason : .]

10/4/2007 12:25:36 PM

No one was saying anything about terrorists!

10/4/2007 12:29:12 PM

So? Someone did say that radical Christians and radical Muslims were "just as bad"

I disagreed and addressed that point...and I thought I had a pretty good reason...because to my knowledge, radical Christians haven't been walking into markets, police stations, other public places, and blowing themselves up, as well as other fellow Christians, in the name of Jesus...and isolated incidents like the OKC bombing are clearly much much less frequent than current radical Muslim bombings (as well as not being carried out in the name of religion)...you have to go back 1000 years to find a time when radical Christians were using the amount of violence that CURRENT radical Islam is using in the name of religion

To me, that would make radical Muslims worse than radical Christians at the current time

[Edited on October 4, 2007 at 12:34 PM. Reason : .]

10/4/2007 12:32:38 PM

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"Someone did say that radical Christians and radical Muslims were "just as bad""

No, they said:

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"those reactionary hard-core Christians are just as bad as the fundamentalist muslims in the middle east."

Fundamentalist isn't the same as radical terrorists.

No one was saying Christians were as bad as terrorists.

You just went there to go for the cheap shot.

10/4/2007 12:36:17 PM

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"Fundamentalist isn't the same as radical terrorists"

10/4/2007 12:39:49 PM

nice one, techie

10/4/2007 12:40:55 PM

why do you even give a shit anyway? are you a muslim? did i offend you? or did you just want to troll anything i said that didnt sufficiently bash hardcore christians enough in this thread? are you posting from the teacher's lounge?

10/4/2007 12:43:05 PM

I was just pointing out your tendency to take cheap shots instead of actually contributing to the thread.

10/4/2007 12:45:57 PM

cheap shots on what? i disagreed with HUR...i explained myself...we had a little discourse and that was that...then you came in as the defender of all things muslim to make sure i didnt offend anyone

oh btw you have a tendency to take cheap shots...look through your posts if you dont believe me

[Edited on October 4, 2007 at 12:47 PM. Reason : .]

10/4/2007 12:47:02 PM

gg on ruining the thread you guys

you're like a bunch of kids

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"How, on one hand, can Christians complain that secularists are trying to destroy Christmas...when they are trying to get people to stop celebrating Halloween? :compared to: How, on one hand, can secularists complain that the Christians are trying to destroy Halloween...when they are trying to get people to stop celebrating Christmas?"

Nice try, but secularists aren't trying to get people to stop celebrating Christmas, but rather, they are simply trying to encourage that those that celebrate Christmas keep it to themselves, instead of going around Mr. Garrison-style saying "Merry Fucking Christmas" to everyone, regardless if they're Christian or not.

Christians, on the other hand, are trying to get people to stop celebrating Halloween because they can't seem to keep their religion to themselves. They use Halloween as an excuse to spread their propaganda to everyone, like that bitch Junie Harper on that one episode of King of the Hill who invited everyone to her anti-Halloween church party

damn, I must watch to much tv

10/4/2007 2:06:31 PM

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"Nice try, but Christians aren't trying to get people to stop celebrating Halloween, but rather, they are simply trying to encourage that those that celebrate Halloween keep it to themselves, instead of going around to everyone's house saying "Trick or Treat" to everyone, regardless if they support Halloween or not."

Just saying.

10/4/2007 2:54:48 PM

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"Christians, on the other hand, are trying to get people to stop celebrating Halloween because they can't seem to keep their religion to themselves. They use Halloween as an excuse to spread their propaganda to everyone, like that bitch Junie Harper on that one episode of King of the Hill who invited everyone to her anti-Halloween church party "

Yeah, I have absolutely no problem with people who want to live the "Christian" lifestyle. Much like I do not care if a person wants to practice another religious lifestyle, be a hippie stoner, gay butt pirate, vegetarian, spend all day playing world of warcraft, worship satan, etc. If you think the Christian lifestyle involves no drinking, not celebrating "pagan" holidays, attending 8 am mass sunday then wed service, no gambling, not allowing your kids to watch R rated movies, then do what you want to do.

The second Christians start running around saying I am going to hell and trying to promote their morales / religious lifestyles onto everyone else is when I get pissed.



[Edited on October 4, 2007 at 3:14 PM. Reason : l]

10/4/2007 3:12:26 PM

^exactly

^^Trick or Treating has as much to do with Halloween

as Santa Claus and reindeer have to do with Christmas

or caroling, for that matter, (a better comparison)



no one who celebrates Halloween thinks and acts on a belief that those who don't are damned to hell

many, if not most Christians who celebrate Christmas do think and act on such a belief

and it's those actions that are objectionable

I mean,

have you ever heard of a group of pagans going around to houses "witnessing"

and how about that Halloween holiday off from public schools, banks, etc.?

10/4/2007 4:15:59 PM

Like I said, I know a lot of Christians and I can only think of one person that doesn't like Halloween and even then they say they don't like it because "364 days of the year we teach our kids to not take candy from strangers..."

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"have you ever heard of a group of pagans going around to houses "witnessing""

In this case I'd do to them what you should do to Christians. Politely decline, roll your eyes once they are gone, and go on with my life.

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"and how about that Halloween holiday off from public schools, banks, etc.?"

That'd be great. I never did understand the attack on Christianity because people get Christmas off work. Hell, it would be great if we accepted more religious holidays - more days off. What's wrong with that?

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"The second Christians start running around saying I am going to hell "

If you don't believe in that sort of thing why would it bother you. Again, I don't know any Christians that do this, but if some pagans started telling me I'd go to black mushroom forest land I'd just politely decline, roll my eyes once they were gone, and go on with my life.

Sounds like you guys are painting all of Christianity based on a few people in the Coalition of the Rainbow Bright First Evangelical sect that always make the news with their shenanigans.

10/4/2007 7:34:19 PM

this is all part of the war on terror, which America is clearly winning.

10/4/2007 8:56:42 PM