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" 1. Ohio State 2. South Florida 3. Boston College 4. LSU 5. Oklahoma 6. South Carolina 7. Kentucky 8. Arizona State 9. West Virginia 10. Oregon 11. Virginia Tech 12. California 13. Kansas 14. USC 15. Florida 16. Missouri 17. Auburn 18. Hawaii 19. Virginia 20. Georgia 21. Tennessee 22. Texas 23. Cincinnati 24. Texas Tech 25. Michigan "

The fact that Oklahoma is above Kentucy boggles my mind...AGAIN. I can perhaps understand SC being above Kentucky considering they beat Kentucky. But Oklahoma lost to fucing Colorado, and Kentucky lost to SC, who is #6 in the BCS, but beat the #1 team in the nation this weekend. How and why in the hell is Oklahoma always ranked so hig?

[Edited on October 14, 2007 at 8:08 PM. Reason : .]

10/14/2007 8:07:42 PM

Tradition.

10/14/2007 8:10:31 PM

we get it, you don't like oklahoma.

10/14/2007 8:10:44 PM

Maybe because Kentucky have always been s***?

Or maybe because their OOC consisted of Florida International, Kent State, Eastern Kentucky, and Louisville, not one of which was on the road. If you want to even be in the conversation, you have to schedule someone that's worth a rat's ass (state rivals don't count).

[Edited on October 14, 2007 at 8:13 PM. Reason : .]

10/14/2007 8:11:46 PM

There is no way you can sit here and honestly say that Oklahoma should be ranked above Kentucky. I really don't think its even possible.

^Kentucky has been better than USF, and last time I checked, Kentucky has won against better teams this year than fucking Oklahoma has.



[Edited on October 14, 2007 at 8:12 PM. Reason : .]

10/14/2007 8:12:01 PM

^^ OOC doesnt matter when you have to already play LSU, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, South Carolina etc.



[Edited on October 14, 2007 at 8:16 PM. Reason : d]

10/14/2007 8:13:07 PM

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"Or maybe because their OOC consisted of Florida International, Kent State, Eastern Kentucky, and Louisville, not one of which was on the road. If you want to even be in the conversation, you have to schedule someone that's worth a rat's ass (state rivals don't count)."

The SEC are more than welcome to play for their own championship and the rest of the country can play for theirs. Right now, I'm cheering full-heartedly for South Florida to go undefeated. Why? Cause I want a playoff and the BCS to die. And nothing will do that better than USF in the national title game. The SEC are reaping what they sowed. They don't want a playoff. Cause they might actually have to play up in Ohio in January where it gets a little too cold for the pussies. No, they schedule the likes of Louisiana-Lafayette and Western Kentucky every year.

I want to see the best teams play each other out of conference. That's not wrong.

[Edited on October 14, 2007 at 8:17 PM. Reason : /]

10/14/2007 8:13:29 PM

i'm telling you right now that if oklahoma plays kentucky, ou wins.

yes, i can tell you that.

10/14/2007 8:13:52 PM

ha, just like everyone thought oklahomo would handle boise state last year?

10/14/2007 8:15:21 PM

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"OOC doesnt matter when you have to already play LSU, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, South Carolina etc."

[Edited on October 14, 2007 at 8:15 PM. Reason : d]

10/14/2007 8:15:22 PM

and i can say

i'm telling you right now that if oklahoma plays kentucky, uk wins.

yes, i can tell you that.

what's your point

10/14/2007 8:15:42 PM

Kentucky:

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"09/01 E Kentucky W 50-10 09/08 Kent St W 56-20 09/15 #9 Louisville W 40-34 09/22 at Arkansas W 42-29 09/29 FAU W 45-17 10/04 at #11 S Carolina L 38-23 10/13 #1 LSU W 43-37 "

Oklahoma:

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"09/01 N Texas W 79-10 09/08 Miami W 51-13 09/15 Utah St W 54-3 09/21 at Tulsa W 62-21 09/29 at Colorado L 27-24 10/06 at #19 Texas W 28-21 10/13 #11 Missouri W 41-31 "

Kentucky has beaten the #1 and #9 team while losing to the #11. Oklahoma has beaten the # 19 and #11 while losing to an unranked. And you act like Utah St, Tula, and N. Texas are touch OCC oponents.

[Edited on October 14, 2007 at 8:17 PM. Reason : .]

10/14/2007 8:16:02 PM

wait... is Flyin Ryan one of those fools that honestly believes the SEC is overrated?

10/14/2007 8:17:10 PM

i still can't believe how overrated BC is

they haven't beaten anyone, and i can count at least 5 other teams in the top 10 that would beat the hell out of matt ryan & co. honestly, does ANYONE actually think LSU is worse than BC?

10/14/2007 8:19:14 PM

If LSU was in the ACC, Big 10, or Big 12, they would have a cake walk into the Championship game.

I love BC being ranked so high. It just shows NCSU that they made another terrible football hire.




[Edited on October 14, 2007 at 8:21 PM. Reason : .]

10/14/2007 8:19:16 PM

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"Or maybe because their OOC consisted of Florida International, Kent State, Eastern Kentucky, and Louisville"

granted they play ul every year

but no one expected this to happen to ul this year

10/14/2007 8:20:16 PM

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"wait... is Flyin Ryan one of those fools that honestly believes the SEC is overrated?"

No, I want the SEC to actually play a conference team-for-team to give them a chance to actually prove themselves. We have an ACC vs Big 10 basketball challenge, why can't we have a Big 10 vs SEC football challenge, half home, half away. BECAUSE COLLEGE FOOTBALL COACHES BY NATURE ARE PUSSIES THAT DON'T PLAY ANYONE! This is the one thing that pisses me off not about the SEC, but about the sport in general. Why does State play Wofford? Why are we willing giving the university thousands of dollars in ticket prices to watch us play Wofford. It's a ripoff. And all these schools are complicit in it!

So excuse me if I don't think much of a school whose hardest game they were willing to schedule themselves was from the Sun Belt.

[Edited on October 14, 2007 at 8:23 PM. Reason : /]

10/14/2007 8:20:30 PM

the BCS isnt about who is better, its about who deserves it... if it was just purely based on talent and who would typically beat who, USC would be in every year automatically.


Do I think LSU would beat the living dog shit out of BC? yes. it would be 45-10 probably.

But, BC is undefeated in a MAJOR conference and should be ahead of 1 loss team in another major conference


^ SEC beats the living dog shit out of the Big Ten in bowl games all the time, and they do play major schools OOC here and there, Tenn vs. Cal/UCLA/ND/Syracuse (when they were good), Bama vs. Oklahoma etc. But with a retardedly hard in conference schedule its almost suicide to ALSO have a tough OOC schedule (see TN this year)

[Edited on October 14, 2007 at 8:25 PM. Reason : d]

10/14/2007 8:21:34 PM

State plays Wofford for because of years like this....so they can have atleast ONE win.

10/14/2007 8:22:27 PM

ha, I'd be willing to bet that BC will fall shortly and their fans will be bitching. Hell, even Chuck could be undefeated to this point with BC's team and the schedule they've played.

[Edited on October 14, 2007 at 8:23 PM. Reason : ]

10/14/2007 8:22:54 PM

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"No, I want the SEC to actually play a conference team-for-team to give them a chance to actually prove themselves. "

So you want to see a conference like the SEC play the Big 10 for half the games, while playing as many vs their own conference.


Jesus fucking christ you are a moron.

10/14/2007 8:24:07 PM

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"We have an ACC vs Big 10 basketball challenge, why can't we have a Big 10 vs SEC football challenge? BECAUSE COLLEGE FOOTBALL COACHES BY NATURE ARE PUSSIES THAT DON'T PLAY ANYONE! "

its simple

one loss in football during some sort of conference challenge can knock you out of BCS title contention. one loss in college basketball really isn't a big deal, essentially, unless you're a bubble team. football programs with title hopes schedule shit teams so that if they do manage to run the table in their conference, they're in the clear for the BCS.

not to mention, by your logic, college bball OOC schedules are nothing but top-25 teams playing each other. i mean, look at our schedule (or anyone's). there are PLENTY of cupcake teams on there.

10/14/2007 8:25:08 PM

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"State plays Wofford for because of years like this....so they can have atleast ONE win. "

Next year lets schedule Leesville Road then. They'll be even more of a gimme.

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"one loss in football during some sort of conference challenge can knock you out of BCS title contention. one loss in college basketball really isn't a big deal, essentially, unless you're a bubble team. football programs with title hopes schedule shit teams so that if they do manage to run the table in their conference, they're in the clear for the BCS."

Which shows why we should have a playoff.

And is why I'm cheering for South Florida to go undefeated. If USF makes the title game, the SEC will pull out.

[Edited on October 14, 2007 at 8:28 PM. Reason : .]

10/14/2007 8:26:55 PM

Nobody is arguing we shouldn't have a playoff you fucking moron.

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"And is why I'm cheering for South Florida to go undefeated. If USF makes the title game, the SEC will pull out. "

I think by years end, even if they do, LSU gets in before they do. Look at Auburn a few years ago. If Auburn can go undefeated in the SEC and get left out, then USF will get left out.

[Edited on October 14, 2007 at 8:32 PM. Reason : .]

10/14/2007 8:30:27 PM

^ but that was when there was another undefeated team... as much as I hate to admit it, if there are only two undefeated teams, Ohio State and USF will play...


fucking garbage

10/14/2007 8:34:40 PM

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"The SEC are reaping what they sowed. They don't want a playoff. Cause they might actually have to play up in Ohio in January where it gets a little too cold for the pussies. No, they schedule the likes of Louisiana-Lafayette and Western Kentucky every year. "

i'll just ignore the fact that you could easily inverse this and say that ohio state are faggots for not wanting to play down in the southeast where it gets a little too hot for the pussies. oh, and this season ohio state has played youngstown state, akron and kent state. awesome ooc right there, how dare the sec schedule instate cupcakes.

[Edited on October 14, 2007 at 8:43 PM. Reason : as much as i don't want a playoff... this season's making it hard to argue. oh yeah, big10 sucks.]

10/14/2007 8:37:10 PM

ahahhahaha, so fucking stupid

10/14/2007 8:39:41 PM

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"The SEC are reaping what they sowed. They don't want a playoff. Cause they might actually have to play up in Ohio in January where it gets a little too cold for the pussies. No, they schedule the likes of Louisiana-Lafayette and Western Kentucky every year"

You act like the Big 10 ONLY schedules teams that were .500+ teams. NEWSFLASH moron. There is no team that doesn't schedule shit teams year in and year out.

10/14/2007 8:43:37 PM

ha, the fuckeyes wouldn't even consider scheduling LSU, Florida, or probably the rest of the SEC for that matter.

10/14/2007 8:44:49 PM

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"i'll just ignore the fact that you could easily inverse this and say that ohio state are faggots for not wanting to play down in the southeast where it gets a little too hot for the pussies. oh, and this season ohio state has played youngstown state, akron and kent state. awesome ooc right there, how dare the sec schedule instate cupcakes."

Ohio State are no better than the SEC.

All the top teams play no one of relevance out of conference. Games like VT-LSU or Cal-Tennessee or Ohio State-Texas a couple years ago happen once every 10 years.

Since I've paid attention to NC State the only good teams we've played out of conference have been Ohio State, Texas Tech, and Indiana. Out of 30 games, maybe 6 that are either at or level or above it (and Indiana sucks).

So how can we honestly have a discussion of this conference is better than that conference when good conferences' teams dodge each other, and instead build up 4-0 records off of I-AAs, Sun Belt teams, and MAC teams, usually all at home?

Bottom line, college football is like boxing. People's opinion of you is far more important to determining a champ than who you actually beat.

[Edited on October 14, 2007 at 8:54 PM. Reason : /]

10/14/2007 8:50:33 PM

A few points that need to be made. USC= Southern California, SC= Southern California, S Carolina= South Carolina, South Carolina= South Carolina.....No more confusion please..

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"Which shows why we should have a playoff."

So you're saying that a team in the SEC should schedule more BCS OOC games, risk losing, and if the lose, rectify it by waging war on the NCAA for a playoff, yea, see how long that lasts, and see how many BCS games you make with that strategy? It's not the coaches fault there is no playoff. Auburn ran the table and didn't even get into the title game a few years ago. And if Florida had a rougher OOC schedule last year, we wouldn't have gotten to see just how overrated tOSU was. Just 2 years ago we scheduled Eastern Kentucky, Middle Tennessee, and some other cupcake I've forgotten. It's really simple, if you're aiming for the BCS and you're in the SEC, you schedule OOC cupcakes, if you want people to praise your OOC schedule while concurrently ending your season before January and watching better teams play in the BCS, run the OOC gauntlet

10/14/2007 8:51:18 PM

i don't know why you think the sec would pullout when usf pwned auburn @auburn

10/14/2007 8:52:43 PM

^^ southern miss as well, two years ago.

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"So how can we honestly have a discussion of this conference is better than that conference when neither conference's teams play each other, and instead build up 4-0 records off of I-AAs, Sun Belt teams, and MAC teams, usually all at home?"

yeah we can. remember when 1loss florida absolutely trounced undefeated, and clearly the best team in the big10, osu?

[Edited on October 14, 2007 at 8:55 PM. Reason : ^]

10/14/2007 8:55:36 PM

It's common sense that, in college football, the teams aren't going to schedule any tough OOC teams unless they are a lower tier team and have something to prove. And Top-to-Bottom I'd take the SEC against any other conference.

10/14/2007 8:55:48 PM

OHIO STATE #1 BITCHES

[Edited on October 14, 2007 at 8:59 PM. Reason : dsf]

10/14/2007 8:59:13 PM

I'd take the SEC over the AFC East minus New England

10/14/2007 9:00:58 PM

Pretty soon NCSU is gonna be a BCS team that most BCS school are gonna schedule because its a guaranteed win.

^And you just proved your ignorance by saying that.

Unless you were trying to say that if you took the BEST player out of the SEC at each position and formed a team out of that and put up up against them, but even with that, they are prolly gonna lose.

[Edited on October 14, 2007 at 9:13 PM. Reason : .]

10/14/2007 9:10:28 PM

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"^ SEC beats the living dog shit out of the Big Ten in bowl games all the time"

The Big Ten was 2-1 vs. the SEC in this past season's bowl games.
The Big Ten is 8-6 vs. the SEC in bowl games over the last five years
The Big Ten is 13-13 vs. the SEC in bowl games over the last decade.

By "all the time" you mean "less than half the time" then I guess you're right. Seriously, stop sucking their dick. Please.

[Edited on October 14, 2007 at 9:15 PM. Reason : .]

10/14/2007 9:11:26 PM

Who has more national championships?


And please, do not sit here and act like the Big 10 is better. Its common knowledge that the SEC is year in and year out in the top 2, usually #1. How about you go get the SECs overall bowl record vs the Big 10s, then get back to us. Just because the Big 10 has a better record against the SEC means shit when the SEC has more teams going to bowls every year.

10/14/2007 9:15:30 PM

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"I love BC being ranked so high. It just shows NCSU that they made another terrible football hire."

wtf, he's playing with TOB's recruits

10/14/2007 9:16:41 PM

Over the last nine years of Bowl Championship Series games, the Big Ten leads all conferences with 15 berths while ranking second with eight victories. The SEC tops all leagues with nine wins and ranks second to the Big Ten with 13 appearances.

10/14/2007 9:16:57 PM

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"And please, do not sit here and act like the Big 10 is better."

I have not stated any opinion on who is better, just refuting false statements.

10/14/2007 9:18:35 PM

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"wtf, he's playing with TOB's recruits"

Exactly my point. He is doing more with them and taking them further than he ever did. TOB was not as good of a hire as most of you people think he was. Give him another year or 2 of this, and maybe you will understand.

10/14/2007 9:19:55 PM

Jesus, you are a fucking moron.

Are you telling me that if TOB was coaching BC, they wouldn't be undefeated?

That team is stocked full of seniors. That TOB recruited. Now they're blowing up, and I wonder what has made them so good? 3-4 years of TOB, or one year of Jags and Logan?

If you're telling me Logan is making this big of an impact, you're retarded. How come ECU never went undefeated?

Because its the level of talent you recruit and how you develop it. Jags will never do anything in the ACC once TOB's recruits graduate, and perhaps after this year once all the seniors leave.

Seriously, are you fucking dumb? That program is TOB's. Their success has nothing to do with the current staff. There are so many returning starters/players with extensive playtime its ridiculous. Just watch next year when BC goes 4-8.

I suppose you're going to tell me now that TOBs outstanding bowl record is a crock of shit too.

I swear, you people

10/14/2007 9:30:53 PM

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"I suppose you're going to tell me now that TOBs outstanding bowl record is a crock of shit too."

well, that is a crock of shit, "bowl wins" don't mean shit.

i'm okay w/ tob, though. if we finished seasons ranked regularly, that'd be a monumental improvement. maybe after he's done here some flashy guy will roll in and go 7-0 against bad teams while ncaa football falls apart and be ranked #2. we can cross that bridge when we come to it.

10/14/2007 9:34:50 PM

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"Jesus, you are a fucking moron. Are you telling me that if TOB was coaching BC, they wouldn't be undefeated? "

We will never know. But what we DO KNOW, is the new coach has the same players undefeated, and ranked higher than TOB ever had that team. And bowl wins mean shit when you don't make a BCS bowl. Who cares what your record is when you play soup, toilet, and cereal bowls.


And TOB came to a team with supposed "tallent" and is more than likely gonna lead them to a worse record. You people talked about how Amato couldn't coach, but could recruit, yet you get a better coach in...supposedly, and he is doing even worse than Amato.

[Edited on October 14, 2007 at 9:40 PM. Reason : .]

10/14/2007 9:38:29 PM

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" The Big Ten was 2-1 vs. the SEC in this past season's bowl games. The Big Ten is 8-6 vs. the SEC in bowl games over the last five years The Big Ten is 13-13 vs. the SEC in bowl games over the last decade. By "all the time" you mean "less than half the time" then I guess you're right. Seriously, stop sucking their dick. Please."

why did you stop at 10 years? hmmm?


and overall record: The SEC leads the Big Ten with a 63-45-2 all-time record. Not even close


Lets look at the best Big Ten program of the last decade or so:
Ohio State, their record against the SEC in bowls is 0-8:

1978 Sugar Bowl: Alabama 35 OSU 6
1990 Hall of Fame: Auburn 31 OSU 14
1992 Citrus Bowl: Georgia 21 OSU 14
1995 Citrus Bowl: Alabama 24 OSU 17
1996 Citrus Bowl: Tennessee 20 OSU 14
2001 Outback Bowl: South Carolina 24 OSU 7
2002 Outback Bowl: South Carolina 31 OSU 28
National Championship game: Florida 355, OSU 3

[Edited on October 14, 2007 at 9:51 PM. Reason : d]

10/14/2007 9:45:49 PM

haha, straight up fucking OWNED

10/14/2007 9:49:19 PM

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"nd TOB came to a team with supposed "tallent" and is more than likely gonna lead them to a worse record."

IF YOU'RE GOING TO TRY AND TROLL THE NCSU FAN BASE YOU TOILET WATER SUCKING PRICK

AT LEAST GET YOUR FUCKING FACTS STRAIGHT

WE COULD ALL MAKE SHIT UP

LIKE WE WENT TO SHITTY SECOND TIER SCHOOLS IN GEORGIA

AND WERE BIG FANS OF A COLLEGE WE DIDNT ATTEND

AND WE FUCKED UGLY STRIPPERS AND THEN BRAGGED ABOUT IT ON THE WOLFWEB


BUT THAT WOULDN'T MAKE FOR VERY GOOD TROLLING

NOW WOULD IT?

10/14/2007 9:49:35 PM

I think it just did.


Look how much effort you just put into all that.

And you almost remembered it all correctly...

10/14/2007 10:00:57 PM