cul-de-sac

this would piss me off most people buy houses on cul-de-sacs so they don't have to deal with as much traffic.
but raffic on from the new road just flys through.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQbzaMfn5Ok

12/5/2007 10:48:11 AM

Looks like everyone is going pretty slow, minus a few of the SUV's. But yeah, I'd be pissed too if I bought a house in a culdesac and they decided to build a road right through the middle of it.

12/5/2007 11:18:23 AM

I like how nobody stops for the stop sign. At least some of them seem to think about it.

12/5/2007 11:23:13 AM

the building of culdesacs and 'roads to no where' piss me off to no end.

12/5/2007 4:47:46 PM

doesn't seem like it's gonna bother nething... there's no other traffic at all... i think i'd be kinna annoyed to have to stop

12/5/2007 4:55:05 PM

seriously, it's not like it's even an intersection, that stop sign is pointless

12/5/2007 5:34:15 PM

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"I like how nobody stops for the stop sign. At least some of them seem to think about it."

It was a series of clips. Obviously he left out anyone who actually stopped.

12/5/2007 5:56:49 PM

I wouldn't stop unless I saw some other actual cars around.

The visibility there is pretty good, so there's no need to completely stop, when you can obviously see the way is clear.

12/5/2007 6:02:52 PM

i want to see some donuts

12/5/2007 6:34:41 PM

I just looked at the satellite image on google and it's absolutely retarded. Basically some new condos went up and tapped through instead of putting a second entrance on Village Park to ease congestion.

Also I know where it is now, so I'm going to go do some donuts and hope that I end up on youtube.

12/5/2007 6:46:34 PM

http://tinyurl.com/3cd82f

Eh it's 17 miles from my apartment. Too much effort to go and turn donuts.

12/5/2007 7:07:25 PM

12/5/2007 8:16:49 PM

ahhaha

At first I thought your friend was being a douche but after looking at the aerial of that i would be pissed too. It looks like he bought a house on what was supposed to be a dead end street and then they built a gargantuan apt complex next to his house and opened the road up to be like I-640

12/5/2007 8:19:16 PM

That sucks yo:
http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&hl=en&ll=35.791061,-78.502818&spn=0.00151,0.004463&t=h&z=19&om=1

12/5/2007 8:33:00 PM

As a land surveyor I see things like this all the time. People, when considering buying a home request a copy of the survey. Then go the Register of Deeds and look up the subdivision map.
Here is the one in question
http://rodweb01.co.wake.nc.us/books/genext/genextimages.asp?docid=106219278

See how that piece belongs to a Tract 3 and is not divided... This should raise flags

12/5/2007 9:31:31 PM

^ oh yeah - i'm really surprised the typical buyer doesn't check for pieces that belong to a Tract 3 and aren't divided - what an idiot for not checking

12/5/2007 9:38:57 PM

sucks for his property value

12/5/2007 9:40:59 PM

I'm just trying to make everyone aware that these maps exist. Your real estate agent well not point theses things out. Your builder may well be an idiot. But you my "typical buyer" friend can do a little research on the largest purchase of your life and save a few headaches.
I always tell folks to hire a surveyor before they buy and to talk to them about the surrounding property and what may happen in the future.
I can't tell you how many times I've heard "my builder said my property line was way over there" or "the agent said that piece of land would never be developed and now there's a bloody road through my backyard"

I hate it for the guy though that does really suck

12/5/2007 10:21:04 PM

i think there was a residential zoned lot that the developer purchased and had re zoned as needed from what i was told.

12/5/2007 10:27:06 PM

Nothing that caltrops can't solve? However, yes, that is pretty bad when you buy a house like that and some developer ruins your property value by making a residential lot into a throughway.

12/6/2007 10:24:57 AM

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"^ oh yeah - i'm really surprised the typical buyer doesn't check for pieces that belong to a Tract 3 and aren't divided - what an idiot for not checking"

You're also the same guy who probably thinks people that got into subprime loans and are going to lose their homes are idiots too, arent' you?

12/6/2007 10:59:20 AM

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"As a land surveyor I see things like this all the time. People, when considering buying a home request a copy of the survey. Then go the Register of Deeds and look up the subdivision map."

AND

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"I'm just trying to make everyone aware that these maps exist. Your real estate agent well not point theses things out. Your builder may well be an idiot. But you my "typical buyer" friend can do a little research on the largest purchase of your life and save a few headaches. I always tell folks to hire a surveyor before they buy and to talk to them about the surrounding property and what may happen in the future. I can't tell you how many times I've heard "my builder said my property line was way over there" or "the agent said that piece of land would never be developed and now there's a bloody road through my backyard""

THANK YOU, SIR...

There are two things I've learned to take for granted in the land development business: #1: Today's generation of builders is the most ignorant ever; most are in it to turn a quick buck, and damn few have any clue about subdivision design, ordinances, and convenants (lots of times even if the ordinances or covenants forbid something they end up doing, and they find out after the fact). This holds true ESPECIALLY outside municipal limits, where onsite septic systems and wells are often required. #2: You can be sure that, if they aren't required to do so by law, that neither builder nor realtor (nor developer, for that matter) will disclose any information willingly if it impacts their profit. That includes telling you that your cul-de-sac happens to be a stub-out for connection to future development.

boleeo nailed it on the head when he said to either hire a surveyor to research and confirm boundaries and future plans or to go to the Register of Deeds and obtain a copy of the plat. By the way, all new plats (and a good deal of older ones) should be available for viewing online through IMAPS and Wake County's Real Estate Records online.

He's also right about undivided tracts of land adjoining the property you're interested in. State and county subdivision ordinances require a minimum number of stub-outs and interconnectivity between subdivisions, primarily for emergency routing or evacuation measures. Is there a chance they'll put one in YOUR cul-de-sac? Is there a right-of-way easement already granted but not graded or paved? The survey plat can clue you into such things.

Bottom line is this: you can NEVER have too much information BEFORE YOU BUY.

12/6/2007 11:01:41 AM

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"people that got into subprime loans and are going to lose their homes are idiots too"

yes, yes they are.

12/6/2007 12:04:47 PM

yes, yes they are.

12/6/2007 12:07:52 PM

These are the kinds of situations they teach you about when you go to get your Real Estate license. I bet at least a half dozen people could be sued as a result of it.

It is not necessarily anyones fault in the event they had no idea, and this is truly a change that came after the street was built out. But like someone posted above its weird how no homes were ever built on those two lots at the end.

12/6/2007 12:27:02 PM

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"30thAnnZ All American 31578 Posts user info edit post block user Quote : "people that got into subprime loans and are going to lose their homes are idiots too" yes, yes they are. 12/6/2007 12:04:47 PM David0603 All American 4789 Posts user info edit post block user yes, yes they are."

Except for that isn't what OmarBadu was saying at all.

12/6/2007 1:39:54 PM

http://www.realestatejournal.com/buysell/mortgages/20071204-simon.html

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"One common assumption about the subprime mortgage crisis is that it revolves around borrowers with sketchy credit who couldn't have bought a home without paying punitively high interest rates. But it turns out that plenty of people with seemingly good credit are also caught in the subprime trap."

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"In 2005, the peak year of the subprime boom, the study says that borrowers with such credit scores got more than half -- 55% -- of all subprime mortgages that were ultimately packaged into securities for sale to investors, as most subprime loans are. The study by First American LoanPerformance, a San Francisco research firm, says the proportion rose even higher by the end of 2006, to 61%. The figure was just 41% in 2000, according to the study. Even a significant number of borrowers with top-notch credit signed up for expensive subprime loans, the firm's analysis found."

12/6/2007 1:43:30 PM

You should check and see if the cul-de-sac was built to an adequate engineering class of road to accomodate the average daily trips of the apartment complex. Otherwise it will be tough to find anyone at fault other than the subdivision regulations if this was "by right" development, or obviously the governing body if a rezoning was needed. Was any sort of public notice ever posted or mailed out? For the record I think the spur road off of a cul-de-sac is one of the dumbest things in transportation planning, but it is allowable in many places.

12/6/2007 1:47:01 PM

^^

They're still idiots.

12/6/2007 2:03:22 PM

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"You're also the same guy who probably thinks people that got into subprime loans and are going to lose their homes are idiots too, arent' you?"

yes, yes they are

what was the point of the comment?

12/6/2007 4:37:06 PM

There are other issues at play here. These videos are to show the 'effectiveness' of speedbumps that were installed Monday.
People fly through this Cul-De-Sac, even with high visability and children playing.

Many people did not know that the road was going to connect. I did. I told the council this. The issue is that it is unsafe also because of grading mistakes. The apt complex' final grade is higher then it is supposed to be, so it is very difficult to scrub speed. coming down as fast as people do into a court is dangerous even without children playing. Before the speedbumps people were close to going into my neighbors front yard on many occaisions.

As to the fairness of the video, it does only show the people not stopping. It illustrates that even the ones that try to can't and the ones that do not try to, fly.

The developer wants it closed or to put up a Gate, I'm all for that. The town wants connectivity and police/fire access. But the town does not want a breakaway gate and the builder does not want to pony up for an electronic access police/fire gate, claiming it is 45k.

This is just a portion of it, but are some of the main points.

I posted on Youtube because I do not have a website and the files were too big for some council members to open.

Kind of on the fence about a mortgage bailout, too, haha.

12/7/2007 9:38:04 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqJPad3d5kg&feature=related

second video

^osnap

12/7/2007 9:46:09 AM

If the City Council approved it there isn't much you can do. It may be stupid but it is legal.

Your only option is going to be to work with police and fire to try to get them on board with making it emergency access only, and building some sort of solid gate with police/fire access (either breakaway or with a lock/key system they agree with) that the HOA would have to pay for. There may be people in the local transportatioin department (traffic calming section) that can help you out.

If you just put up a normal gate with a chain or a cable people will cut it.

12/7/2007 9:48:54 AM

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"yes, yes they are what was the point of the comment?"

Were obviously being sarcastic with this post

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"^ oh yeah - i'm really surprised the typical buyer doesn't check for pieces that belong to a Tract 3 and aren't divided - what an idiot for not checking "

Meaning, you don't think they are idiots for not checking.

Oh sure, you'll claim you think they are idiots too and that post wasn't sarcasm at all, but the proof is in the pudding.

12/7/2007 10:32:08 AM

mmmmmm pudding

12/7/2007 10:53:13 AM

If you wanted control of the entire cul-de-sac, you should have purchased the entire cul-de-sac.

12/7/2007 11:05:08 AM

That is what we are doing. Police/Fire and the Town are all up for a solution involving a breakaway or electronic Gate. The Developer, Scott McCrary, who is also doing Olde Towne in SE Raleigh, is dragging his feet.

We met on Aug 2nd with Scott, the Town guys, the Police and Fire Chiefs and he was all on board for an electronic access only gate for Police and Fire Emergency.

The problem is he is a bit of a flake.

I wish pudding would solve the option.

12/7/2007 11:06:30 AM

^The problem is you can't get anyone to pay for it. See if anyone (politicians, local media, whoever) can lean on the developer to get them to pay for it. Otherwise somebody, most likely your HOA will be forced to suck it up and pay the bill. The developer is under no legal obligation to pay for that, unless he is required to do some traffic calming measures to get off of bond (if it going to become a public street).

12/7/2007 11:29:48 AM

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"I wish pudding would solve the option"

It works for gay cowboys in Southpark, evidently.

12/7/2007 12:45:37 PM

I'm sure the developer of that apartment complex is or will be raking in enough money to easily pay for a gate system for a problem he helped to create.

12/7/2007 12:50:46 PM

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"coming down as fast as people do into a court is dangerous even without children playing."

i've always thought this was a stupid reason. people that live in cul de sacs tend to believe they're entitled to block the things off as their personal recreation area. when i was delivering pizzas in college, i can't tell you how many times i got blasted out for driving through or parking in cul de sacs that people were playing in, no matter how slow i went.

if you're that worried about your kids, keep them the hell out of the STREET WHERE CARS DRIVE. i grew up in a house on a cul de sac and rode my toys, played basketball, etc. in it but you can bet your ass if we saw a car coming up the street, we hauled ass for the curb. if we didn't, and my parents saw, there was no playing outside for a day or two.

that said, if you want to curb the problem short term just call your local pd. most are usually very willing to post a car in a problem area and ticket people for a day or two. in fact, the chances of you getting them to do this are probably greater than if you were renting a house down the street from crack dealers and wanted something done. being a property owning, tax paying citizen has advantages occasionally.

12/7/2007 4:02:38 PM

<-- stupid

[Edited on December 7, 2007 at 5:28 PM. Reason : .]

12/7/2007 5:23:01 PM

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"i've always thought this was a stupid reason. people that live in cul de sacs tend to believe they're entitled to block the things off as their personal recreation area."

I grew up on one, and people would park cars for days and like dump shit by the vacant lot like it was their cul-de-sac! But anyways, it is a great place for kids to gather, and they need to get the hell out of the way of cars (like we did) ala Waynes World "CAR!.... GAME ON!"

12/7/2007 5:27:58 PM

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"I wouldn't stop unless I saw some other actual cars around. The visibility there is pretty good, so there's no need to completely stop, when you can obviously see the way is clear."

your name fits your logic, moron

12/7/2007 5:29:50 PM

us too we played street hockey all the time...

GAME OOOONN

12/7/2007 5:30:40 PM