...didn't see a thread on it. I am sure the Dems will win even though Easley is out but how come there is not much conversation going on about this?

http://www.2008racetracker.com/page/NC-Gov?t=anon

Even finding a website was hard to find....

2/7/2008 2:48:50 AM

The debates on both sides have been less than stimulating. In any event, I'm calling the win for Bev Perdue right now.

2/7/2008 3:52:26 AM

That website is missing the best candidate....McCRORY

2/7/2008 7:48:42 AM

Quote :

" I am sure the Dems will win even though Easley is out but how come there is not much conversation going on about this?"

Cause everyone including the Republican Party knows the Democrat will win.

2/7/2008 7:50:00 AM

Anyone know if there is there any candidate against the REAL ID program?

2/7/2008 9:40:29 AM

dems in the local government have fucked this state up, yet we keep voting them in

2/7/2008 10:16:42 AM

How do you figure the dems have fucked this state up? We've managed to attract many bright people, keep our school systems good and our universities excellent, all from being a primarily agricultural and textiles state full of semiliterate racists. Every day I wake up and thank God we didn't turn out like South Carolina, or even Virginia. And I have to think that's owed at least partly to them.

2/7/2008 12:32:22 PM

^^ Are you saying that Democrats at the local level--city and county--have messed up the state or that Democrats at the actual state level have?

2/7/2008 12:37:31 PM

state level

2/8/2008 1:11:41 AM

Quote :

"GrumpyGOP ...all from being a primarily agricultural and textiles state full of semiliterate racists..."

You know, I really think you're in the wrong party.

North Carolina could be so much more if we would get the monkey that is state government off our back. I moved from north east liberal state to here and my state taxes went UP.

I'd be happy to move to SC, the property taxes are way lower than here. Oh, but then I would cry because then I wouldn't have the erudite pleasure of begging my masters at the school board for my child to go to school when and how I want.

I like the people of NC for the most part, what drives me nuts is just because mommy and daddy were democrats folks still vote democrat. Nevermind that the democrat party has shifted from being a party which was worth supporting to one which supports every manner of reprobate activity from sloth to abortion. Party loyality ftl.

2/8/2008 7:48:08 AM

i don't get how we are 57% for bush in the election

and sleasly wins another one easily

NC state taxes + property taxes FTL - this is an expensive state

2/8/2008 7:53:29 AM

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"one which supports every manner of reprobate activity from sloth to abortion"

You sound like a communist. You want the government to force people to work, and you want to control a woman's body. I bet you want them to mandate your religion of choice as well in an effort to stem off opposing religion of choice.


GET DA GUVMENT OUT OF MY BUSINESS.

2/8/2008 8:13:46 AM

Quote :

"You want the government to force people to work"

You know what really forces people to work? Their desire to eat, have clothing, and shelter.

I'm surprised that the guy that wanted to halt the increases to the gas tax isn't running on the "remember me from the gas add?" platform.

2/8/2008 8:30:52 AM

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"i don't get how we are 57% for bush in the election and sleasly wins another one easily NC state taxes + property taxes FTL - this is an expensive state"

I've never personally thought my state taxes were bad.

The state Republicans are a bunch of corrupt weasels and f***ing idiots that only know how to win against liberals. We'd be better off if they were actually competitive in statewide races, but instead they reward nepotism and good ole boy politics. Anyone that's ever seen or knows about county-level Republican politics will nod their head, look down, and agree. That exists in all parties I know, but for some reason it's worse for the NC GOP.

The reason Bush can take 57% is because the national Democrats are liberals. How many candidates for governor from the Democrats would be called liberal on the national stage? Easley wouldn't, Hunt wouldn't, Perdue or Moore wouldn't. The North Carolina Democratic Party are smart enough that they take the votes of liberals and blacks, but are smart enough to ensure they'll never get nominated in a primary. Take someone with the political views of Kerry or Mondale or Dukakis and stick him with the NC Democratic Party. How many North Carolina Democrats would vote for them? As election results show, not many.

Republicans don't make up a majority of this state in NC politics, never have, just cause the circumstances that allow the Republicans to win this state in presidential politics do not exist for governor (they do for senator mainly, I think part of that is it is a federal election, while a governor can just "do his own thing" in contrast).

2004:
G.W. Bush (Rep) 56.0%, Kerry (Dem) 43.6%, Badnarik (Lib) 0.4%
Easley (Dem) 55.6%, Ballantine (Rep) 42.9%, Howe (Lib) 1.5%

12% of the state voted for Bush and then Easley. So 21% of Bush voters voted for Easley.

2000:
G.W. Bush (Rep) 56.0%, Gore (Dem) 43.2%, Browne (Lib) 0.4%, Buchanan (Ref) 0.3%
Easley (Dem) 52.0%, Vinroot (Rep) 46.3%, Howe (Lib) 1.5%, Schell (Ref) 0.3%

9% of the state voted for Bush and then Easley. So 16% of Bush voters voted for Easley.

1996:
Dole (Rep) 48.7%, Clinton (Dem) 44.0%, Perot (Ref) 6.7%, Browne (Lib) 0.4%, Other 0.2%
Hunt (Dem) 56.0%, Hayes (Rep) 42.8%, Yost (Lib) 0.7%, Van Witt (NL) 0.6%

At a minimum, 6% of the state voted for Dole and then Hunt. More likely number of around 10%. That equates to a range of between 12% and 21% of Dole voters voted for Hunt.

1992:
G.H.W. Bush (Rep) 43.4%, Clinton (Dem) 42.7%, Perot (Indy) 13.7%, Other 0.2%
Hunt (Dem) 52.7%, Gardner (Rep) 43.2%, McLaughlin (Lib) 4.1%

Hard to determine the number of floor-crossers due to Perot's presence, but Bush still outperformed the Republican nominee for governor despite another major candidate in his race that he lost votes to in Perot.



[Edited on February 8, 2008 at 9:19 AM. Reason : /]

2/8/2008 9:11:03 AM

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" keep our school systems good "

Quote :

"NEWS RELEASES FEBRUARY 7, 2008 STATE DROPOUT RATE INCREASES IN 2006-07; A total of 23,550 students - or 5.24 percent of the students in grades nine through 12 - dropped out of school in the 2006-07 school year, according to the "Annual Dropout Event Report for School Year 2006-07" today presented to the State Board of Education. The dropout rate in 2005-06 was 5.04 percent or 22,180 students. State Board of Education Chairman Howard Lee said he was deeply concerned about the number of students dropping out of school. "

Under democrat leadership, we have spent more money for worsening results.

2/8/2008 10:35:10 AM

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"Under democrat leadership"

Apparently so because you don't even know how to write English correctly.

'Under Democratic leadership'
'Under the Democrats leadership'

would have both been acceptable answers. Unless you're just being a partisan idiot.

2/8/2008 10:38:33 AM

North Carolina is actually one the lowest tax states, and has been cited among the lowest 5 for business. This is primarily because we have relatively low property taxes. This is even more true when you factor in the low assesments on rural and suburban land.

2/8/2008 10:43:54 AM

I am quite happy with what the State leaders have accomplished

High School Graduates
North Carolina: 78.1%
South Carolina: 76.3%
Alabama: 75.3%
Mississippi: 72.9%
Georgia: 78.6%
Tennessee: 75.9%
Virginia: 81.5%
Louisianna: 74.8%
Arkansas: 75.3%
Kentucky: 74.1%


Bachelor's Degree
North Carolina: 22.5%
South Carolina: 20.4%
Alabama: 19.0%
Mississippi: 16.9%
Georgia: 24.3%
Tennessee: 19.6%
Virginia: 29.5%
Louisianna: 18.7%
Arkansas: 16.7%
Kentucky: 17.1%

Poverty Rate
North Carolina: 13.8%
South Carolina: 15.0%
Alabama: 16.1%
Mississippi: 19.3%
Georgia: 13.7%
Tennessee: 15.0%
Virginia: 9.5%
Louisianna: 19.2%
Arkansas: 15.6%
Kentucky: 16.3%

Per Capita Income
North Carolina: $20,307
South Carolina: $18,795
Alabama: $18,189
Mississippi: $15,853
Georgia: $21,154
Tennessee: $19,393
Virginia: $23,975
Louisianna: $16,912
Arkansas: $16,904
Kentucky: $18,093
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/index.html

Bests States for Business According to Forbes

North Carolina:  3
South Carolina:  27
Alabama:  40
Mississippi:  48
Georgia:  10
Tennessee:  20
Virginia:  1
Louisianna:  50
Arkansas:  24
Kentucky:  33

2/8/2008 12:04:55 PM

http://ncdp.org/2008+North+Carolina+Democratic+Candidates

2/9/2008 12:53:15 PM

Quote :

"Apparently so because you don't even know how to write English correctly. 'Under Democratic leadership' 'Under the Democrats leadership' would have both been acceptable answers. Unless you're just being a partisan idiot. "

Speaking of writing English...

'Under the Democrat's leadership'

Grammar ninja strike ftw

2/9/2008 2:18:18 PM

All the Democratic candidates suck.

So do the Republicans...but you know, that's a given.

[Edited on February 9, 2008 at 4:55 PM. Reason : add]

2/9/2008 4:55:24 PM

Percent of 8th Graders Achieving Basic or above Achievement Level:
Reading:
North Carolina: 71%
South Carolina: 69%
Alabama: 62%
Mississippi: 60%
Georgia: 70%
Tennessee: 71%
Virginia: 79%
Louisianna: 64%
Arkansas: 70%
Kentucky: 73%

talk about fail, it's not even spelled correctly

2/9/2008 5:03:09 PM

I just saw a commercial for Richard Moore followed shortly by one for Beverly Perdue which made me think about this thread.

Moore's commercial said basically said Raleigh does things wrong. Beverly Perdue talked what issues she is about. If I had to go off those alone, I like hers better. She also seems to have the most qualifying experience of those that I know are running.

Quote :

"Perdue, a Democrat, served in the North Carolina House of Representatives from 1986 to 1990, and in the North Carolina Senate from 1990 to 2000. During her last three terms in the Senate, she served as one of the state's chief budget writers and was the first woman to hold this position. While she was in office, the General Assembly increased teacher pay and passed Governor Hunt's Excellent Schools Act and Smart Start. Additionally she led the debate that created North Carolina's Clean Water Management Trust Fund."

-wiki

2/9/2008 6:22:32 PM

The only Perdue commercial that I've seen is the one where she hugs this little black kid at the very end. I guess her ad agency doesn't know that you're supposed to put stuff like that happening in the background. That way the message is subliminal and you don't have people like me seeing right through what they are trying to do.

2/9/2008 6:39:54 PM

speaking of experience
"She worked in the fields of education and health care before entering politics."
-wiki

2/9/2008 6:54:18 PM

Quote :

"The only Perdue commercial that I've seen is the one where she hugs this little black kid at the very end. I guess her ad agency doesn't know that you're supposed to put stuff like that happening in the background. That way the message is subliminal and you don't have people like me seeing right through what they are trying to do."

I saw one tonight of her showing her support of the military and their installations/bases in Eastern NC.

She's from my hometown of New Bern. Eastern North Carolina represent!

Quote :

"Moore's commercial said basically said Raleigh does things wrong. Beverly Perdue talked what issues she is about. If I had to go off those alone, I like hers better. She also seems to have the most qualifying experience of those that I know are running."

Well, Perdue as Easley's Lieutenant Governor is pretty much the candidate of the establishment that's been running the state. Moore is running more as an outsider to that you would think then.

[Edited on February 9, 2008 at 8:36 PM. Reason : /]

2/9/2008 8:33:33 PM

You should watch Perdue in the debates, she is terrible. I thought I liked her until I saw her debate. Richard Moore >> Perdue.

2/10/2008 2:16:39 PM

Quote :

" talk about fail, it's not even spelled correctly"

Fucking bite me. so what, I added an extra n. My poor spelling of Louisiana, still doesn't change the fact that you are a douche bag.

2/10/2008 4:21:00 PM

Fred Smith

2/11/2008 1:15:51 PM

Smith has been heavily criticized by the Democratic Party, including criticisms from Jerry Meek, as being an absentee Senator, because Smith missed over 300 votes in 2007, which is over a quarter of all possible voting opportunities.

2/14/2008 4:37:43 PM

^
Wasn't John Edwards pretty much of an absentee senator/professional presidential candidate?

2/14/2008 9:40:40 PM

perhaps, but we all saw how far he got with that

2/14/2008 10:23:08 PM

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"NC state taxes + property taxes FTL - this is an expensive state"

?????????????

this goes against pretty much everything i've ever heard about nc...i heard we had one of the lower cost of living figures in the nation...only one i saw lower was atlanta but i only compared raleigh to atlanta so i dont know if raleigh/atlanta are both high

2/14/2008 10:30:51 PM

Quote :

"SkankinMonky You sound like a communist. You want the government to force people to work, and you want to control a woman's body. I bet you want them to mandate your religion of choice as well in an effort to stem off opposing religion of choice. "

See the funny thing is that you assume that because I said that the dems support activities such as "sloth" that means that I want the government to force people to work. Implicit within your thinking is the thought that if I want something to be done then it must be through the government, as if there is no other way. In other words, you're the communist.

I wouldn't force people to work. I would take away the safety net for people who can work. How and where they work is their own business.

Abortion I'll grant you. But, I believe that a primary function of government is to enforce laws which protect the innocent. This in no way contradicts my general belief that government should be downsized to its constitutionally delimited core. The core of government is to protect life. It is not to create party aggrandizing entitlement programs that discourage self reliance and encourage sloth. That is what I meant. Obviously I don't want the government to force non-felons to work.

2/14/2008 11:30:01 PM

a couple of people joined today i think.

2/22/2008 9:45:47 PM

Pat McCrory versus Bev Perdue......do the Republicans have a chance against a woman????

5/14/2008 1:01:01 AM

Perdue will win 52-46 or 51-47.

5/14/2008 9:11:43 AM

I don't know....I really like what McCrory has to say and I am sure he would have the majority in Charlotte and Mecklenburg County.....Also people are feed up with Easley and most will assume that Perdue is like Easley.

Also that free Community College is a load of shit....fuck that. Most people that go to community college are the high school fuckups that couldn't cut it in real school. Does that mean people like us NCSU students should not come here and start at some shitty CC???

5/15/2008 12:03:25 AM

Quote :

"Most people that go to community college are the high school fuckups that couldn't cut it in real school."

5/15/2008 5:01:45 PM

Quote :

"Does that mean people like us NCSU students should not come here and start at some shitty CC???"

A lot of people have for the first two years cause it's cheaper.

[Edited on May 15, 2008 at 6:51 PM. Reason : /]

5/15/2008 6:50:26 PM

lot of CC people might have fucked up, but then wanted to get their shit together and go back to school and cant get in a big university

still some others might not have had the HS grades, they could get a couple semesters of good grades at a CC, then transfer with a solid GPA on their transcript

still others couldnt afford "real" college (^)

5/15/2008 6:54:06 PM

Maps of Primary Results:

First, the Democrats. Red is Bev Perdue, Blue is Richard Moore. Darker shade equals bigger win. Lighter shade equals smaller win.



The Republicans. Blue is Pat McCrory, Red is Fred Smith. The lone yellow county is Yancey County going for Bob Orr. The pink and light blue counties mean less than 50%.

5/30/2008 10:00:08 AM

So basically the people between I-95 and I-85 voted for McCrory.....the outside parts of that are usually considered the "backwood" parts of the state.

I really like what McCrory has to say....he got the NASCAR HOF for Charlotte, started the Metro light rail system, and Charlotte crime has gone down in the last few years.

5/30/2008 12:49:37 PM

is a republican competitive this year or is a dem gov probably gonna win?

5/30/2008 12:51:58 PM

^^ So you're an elitist.

The North Carolina Republican Party has always been very factional based on geography. Take a look at the 2004 gubernatorial primary.



Red is Richard Vinroot, blue is Patrick Ballantine, green is Bill Cobey.

[Edited on May 30, 2008 at 1:49 PM. Reason : /]

5/30/2008 1:42:52 PM

bttt so i don't further derail the easley thread

so mccrory v perdue

this will be a tough decision for me i think

dems may need a bit of a wakeup call in the state gov't

6/19/2008 2:17:15 PM