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This disgusts me. Seriously-- who's willing to argue that this is a morally acceptable thing to do?

5/6/2008 4:33:04 PM

I thought about it.

Even though i'm voting McCain i thought about voting Hillary in the primary just b.c she would more likely lose in Nov.

5/6/2008 4:34:44 PM

Nothing says "pro-democracy" like undermining the process. Yes!

5/6/2008 4:34:47 PM

how is it undermining the process???

I am clearly exercising my right to vote.

5/6/2008 4:36:16 PM

I'm sure it's moral if your goal is to break the democratic party

5/6/2008 4:36:59 PM

First of all, I hope Rush or anyone else doesn't think HE came up with this. I bet he thinks he's clever. People have been doing this since before I was born - Just like that fat piece of shit to try to take credit for something that any dipshit could come up with themself.

Just more proof that people who listen to him are fucking idiots

5/6/2008 4:37:44 PM

Quote :

"how is it undermining the process??? I am clearly exercising my right to vote."

With the explicit purpose of using the primary system against the opposing party, in a matter other than simply voting against them. (ie: as it is intended)

Quote :

"Undermine: v 1: destroy property or hinder normal operations."

I'm not saying it's illegal, it's clearly within your rights to swap parties with the the express goal of bringing down one individual, or another. That doesn't make it "morally acceptable", unless you're a "the ends always justify the means kind of guy, in which case best of luck!

(Unless of course it backfires... Hillary wins the nomination, and the presidency.)

[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 4:43 PM. Reason : .]

5/6/2008 4:41:41 PM

hahahahahahaha

its like this thread is implying that POLITICS are supposed to be MORALLY ACCEPTABLE

bwahahahah

oxymoron of the year

5/6/2008 4:42:52 PM

that is the chance i take.

5/6/2008 4:42:57 PM

I am most likely voting for McCain in the fall, but I voted for Hillary in the primary.

Not because I think it will hurt Obama (though it probably will) or because Hill would be easier for McCain to beat in Nov (though she would be), I just think she would be a better runner-up if McCain loses in November. It's a real possibility you have to consider.

5/6/2008 4:43:14 PM

So if I'm a democrat I should go out and vote for Ron Paul?

5/6/2008 4:44:17 PM

the democratic party has been broken for a while

5/6/2008 4:44:33 PM

but isnt it laudable when dems switch over to vote for the maverick mccain?

5/6/2008 4:47:08 PM

I dont think people voting for someone else is undermining the process. But I wouldnt vote in a dem primary unless I really wanted that person in office. IE, if I wanted a dem to win or liked one dem better than the other, but was still going to vote republican..and that nomination was wrapped up.

I really dont think there are enough of these people to change the outcome though. Its just something to whine about.

5/6/2008 4:47:52 PM

Apparently it was illegal in Ohio.

You had to sign a pledge in order to switch party affiliation. If you did this, it was considered voting fraud.

Quote :

"hahahahahahaha its like this thread is implying that POLITICS are supposed to be MORALLY ACCEPTABLE bwahahahah oxymoron of the year"

Typical

[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 4:51 PM. Reason : .]

5/6/2008 4:49:23 PM

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"I really don't think there are enough of these people to change the outcome though."

This is almost certainly true, but the intention is pretty clearly to undermine the democratic process in the election.

5/6/2008 4:50:37 PM

i think the intention is clearly stated in the t-shirt above, to WIN in november. and its only illegal if you tell on yourself, no one can go into the voting booth with you to see who you vote for so it doesnt matter what kind of stalinist party oath you sign.

5/6/2008 4:54:15 PM

^^^so this is a surprise to you? this is a shock? its not something you expected? its not something that you would say "gosh even the republicans have outdone themselves this time"? do you expect everyone to play fair? are you that naive?

The only thing "Typical" is that this is politics as usual and for some reason you're just now realizing it

5/6/2008 4:56:12 PM

^^ exactly. We have secret ballots for a reason. That said,

I voted for Ron Paul today. I think it has the best chance of making a protest to the McCain phenomenon. He got 16% in PA which is nontrivial in my opinion. Especially when part of the socially/fiscally conservative crowd is engaging in OPERATION CHAOS. I did not participate because I'm too lazy to change party affiliation, and I'd like to vote in the republican primaries, my votes were

- Pittenger
- Graham
- Eric Smith
- Poirier
- Marty Miller
- Dole, cause there is no viable alternative (less than impressed with anybody in R-leadership type positions lately and I believe she fits the bill for that inept crowd).
- Tyson

I doubt most of these folks will win, you can look at

http://www.sboe.state.nc.us/Sampleballots/2008Primary/8PNCWAKER-10.pdf

if you want to know what my other options were.

[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 4:57 PM. Reason : .]

5/6/2008 4:57:01 PM

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"You had to sign a pledge in order to switch party affiliation. If you did this, it was considered voting fraud."

is it voter fraud if i'm registered Dem but hate both candidates, support McCain, and voted just to debunk the dem i hated most.

^ Fuck Dole she is teh Hillary of the Republican party.

[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 5:01 PM. Reason : F]

5/6/2008 4:59:06 PM

^^^ What's typical is that you're only ever able to summon outrage when the liberals have done something wrong.

^No. It's fraud when you claim you're a democrat when you aren't. And as stated, it's not like anyone can be prosecuted, save for Limbaugh, who is apparently off the hook.

[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 5:03 PM. Reason : .]

5/6/2008 5:01:12 PM

I'm not advocating it being illegal, and I agree... we have a secret ballot system for a reason.

I just think it's lame. Furthermore, what conservative considers McCain winning the presidency in November victory?

5/6/2008 5:01:40 PM

im hoping that ron paul is able to make it on to the ballot in november so all of us that are totally disgusted with the nominees on both sides can vote for him out of protest. i mean i just really dont wanna have to vote for nader or keyes as a protest but ill do it if necessary.

5/6/2008 5:02:47 PM

^^^like when? name me one example...the only time i get outraged is when people completely misconstrue what i say, which is what you continue to do

and no i didnt participate in operation chaos...id have to give a shit about voting first, remember?

5/6/2008 5:02:57 PM

Quote :

"I voted for Ron Paul today... ... Pittenger - Graham - Eric Smith - Poirier - Marty Miller - Dole, cause there is no viable alternative (less than impressed with anybody in R-leadership type positions lately and I believe she fits the bill for that inept crowd). - Tyson "

Wow, those were practically my votes and reasoning.

[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 5:04 PM. Reason : I'm registered, "UNAFFILIATED"... so I can practically vote any which way.]

5/6/2008 5:03:38 PM

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=482905

^^OUTRAGE. LIBERALS. RAWR.

And regardless, how is your claimed attitude even constructive? It's even worse than only being outraged half the time.

[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 5:06 PM. Reason : .]

5/6/2008 5:05:32 PM

It's the system.

I wouldn't be surprised if a third of the votes for Clinton in the past few months or so fall into the crossover sabotage category. And it's not the Republican's fault that Clinton is unwilling to let go of her pride and unite the party. You can't blame them for using that to their advantage.

Funny. The Democrats had a slam dunk last presidential election and blew it. They have an opportunity to have a slam dunk/grand slam/touchdown with a two point conversion this go round and they still seem to have found a way to blow it.

[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 5:09 PM. Reason : -]

5/6/2008 5:08:44 PM

yeah during the 2006 congressional election i thought the GOP had no shot in hell at winning the presidency and no way i'd vote republican.

Now i'm voting McCain

5/6/2008 5:12:35 PM

^^^where was i outraged in that thread? besides the only reason i made that thread was to point out to all you morons that say "life has a liberal bias" that the media IN FACT DOES have a liberal bias

please carry on though...its good humor to see you whining about politics...i'm sure it really gets under your skin that fat old oxycontin head has this much influence

^i said months ago that you were a neocon...aka "new conservative"...aka someone who was a liberal but got a little smarter and became a conservative...and now you're voting for McCain...clockwork

but Boone my main point is still "And?"

"Operation Chaos" has been going on for months...and you're just now outraged enough to make a thread?

actually no my main point isn't "And"

my main point is you're basically saying "this aspect of the political process isn't moral"

WOW WHAT A SHOCKING BREAKTHROUGH, BIG TIME POLITICS ARENT MORAL...SHOCKING

[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 5:16 PM. Reason : .]

5/6/2008 5:13:03 PM

I almost danced the Texas Two-Step. But I couldn't cast my first vote like this. But many Republicans in Texas voted for Hillary. It's the reason she's still in.

[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 5:19 PM. Reason : I'm registered to vote in Texas, for the curious.]

5/6/2008 5:19:08 PM

LOL at the whiny liberals in this thread.

5/6/2008 5:19:23 PM

^^Therefore we should never be upset at anything in politics. Ever.

Good ethos.

I'm glad you follow that ethos when discussing Al Gore.

[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 5:20 PM. Reason : .]

5/6/2008 5:19:34 PM

you know

any press is good press

and the democrats are monopolizing it

5/6/2008 5:21:53 PM

thats an old saying that definitely isnt ALWAYS true just because everyone says it. We'll see how everything pans out though

5/6/2008 5:23:20 PM

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"Therefore we should never be upset at anything in politics. Ever."

feel free to be upset about whatever you want

but someone such as yourself, who appears to read up on politics more than the average person, sure as shit shouldnt be surprised at something like this...and you should also know that there is no place for morals in politics...i mean how many politicians have to lie to your face before you stop trusting them?

I'll feel free to call Gore a hypocrite when everybody else is slurping his nuts up any chance they get (like you were)...it must really aggravate you that nothing in politics really pisses me off except a bunch of short sighted liars like you blowing everything out of proportion...attacking Gore for being a hypocrite is easy...but its pointless...unless people like you keep saying how great he is and how smart he is...you deserve to be put in your place

maybe you could keep making fun of my 4 year degree in marine and coastal resources...trivializing the college and the curriculum...what i studied for 4 years...by saying "i took this one class one time" and completely trivializing what i learned...basically just call me an idiot and discount anything i say, in favor of some fat hypocrite politician who is anxious to sell more carbon credits and make bank off simpletons like yourself

[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 5:30 PM. Reason : .]

5/6/2008 5:25:37 PM

Wow, that was like a year ago?

I forgot about all that stuff.

Must've hurt you right here ----> <3

5/6/2008 5:30:25 PM

funny how you forgot about it, yet you just referred to it in your previous post

i guess you were just jealous though, being a public school teacher and all...

anyway i'll leave you alone in peace to be outraged about the lack of morals in politics...most people realized that long ago but some people are just slow i guess

[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 5:33 PM. Reason : .]

5/6/2008 5:31:57 PM

Quote :

"any press is good press "

Ask Rodger what he thinks, or Obama if he wants some more good rev press.

5/6/2008 5:33:13 PM

Quote :

"First of all, I hope Rush or anyone else doesn't think HE came up with this. I bet he thinks he's clever. People have been doing this since before I was born - Just like that fat piece of shit to try to take credit for something that any dipshit could come up with themself. Just more proof that people who listen to him are fucking idiots "

Actually he has stated multiple times that this has been used over the years, so STFU because you don't know what you are talking about. It's just much more effective against liberals like you because you get way more worked up about it "Waahhhh....it's not fair, Rush is a mean mean racist conservative.....waaahhhh!!!"

5/6/2008 5:34:36 PM

Woot! Someone's whole-heartedly defending Limbaugh

So go ahead-- justify it.

5/6/2008 5:39:42 PM

its not morally acceptable

but its politics, so of course its not going to be morally acceptable

/thread

5/6/2008 5:41:14 PM

5/6/2008 5:42:32 PM

Democrats tried to disrupt the Republican process by voting for McCain in open primary states back in 2000. I doubt any of you were talking about what is moral and right then.

Furthermore, why are you going to blame the voters in those states who are given the opportunity to vote in any primary they choose? Their respective states have extended that voting right to them, so why are you trying to deny these people's voices at the voting booth?

FWIW, I would have voted for Hillary in the primary if given the chance, but I cannot do so in NC.

5/6/2008 5:44:58 PM

Unaffiliated voters like myself don't have to deal with this whole notion of "crossover."

BTW--since you're supposedly so concerned about people's votes--what about the approximately 15 million voters in Florida and Michigan? What, fuck 'em?

5/6/2008 5:48:22 PM

As much as liberals bitch and moan about the electoral college, I wonder how much they'll bitch when Obama has more delegates but Hillary carries the popular vote. My guess is very very little.

5/6/2008 5:50:01 PM

So the justifications thus far are

1) Democrats did it! Although IIRC those were only accusations-- source?

2) Voter fraud is possible, so it's ok.

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"As much as liberals bitch and moan about the electoral college, I wonder how much they'll bitch when Obama has more delegates but Hillary carries the popular vote. My guess is very very little."

Your guess is pretty wrong.

5/6/2008 5:58:05 PM

POLITICS SHOULD BE MORAL

RAWR

5/6/2008 6:03:14 PM

I'm not going to do the research, but go back and look at the states McCain won in 2000. They were open primary states, and democrats were the reason behind it.

My justification is that if the state allows open primaries, then guess what? That voter has every fucking right with regards to which primary they vote in, regardless of what you think. If you don't like it, then hey, change the way the candidates are nominated. Besides, who are you to get all uppity about who or why a particular individual votes for a certain candidate? I don't see where that is any of your business because it's not your vote.

Hillary could very easily carry the popular vote into the Democratic Convention. It'll be interesting to see how the left justifies Obama's bid when this happens. I'd be willing to bet it'll be a complete 180 from the Bush/Gore race in 2000...we'll just have to see.

[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 6:07 PM. Reason : ]

5/6/2008 6:04:28 PM

Voter Fraud is possible? How so? Unless you are talking about dems not wanting people to show IDs at voting stations. Then Id say it would be damn near rampant.

5/6/2008 6:08:04 PM

^ LOL!

5/6/2008 6:09:47 PM