I bought a toyota tacoma 2005 4x4 6 speed access cab today at the dealership it has the TRD sport package, the towing package, the step rails, the interior is in perfect shape and only has 20,000 The PRICE:

17,500

What do you guys think?

6/3/2008 10:15:46 PM

have fun paying texas on gas

6/3/2008 10:25:44 PM

lol..

dealerships NEVER lose

6/3/2008 10:26:11 PM

I just bought an 08 TRD 5.7 Tundra 4x4 cheaper than you can buy a new Tacoma for, apparently the Tacoma is Toyota's flagship truck and they sell the crap out of them.

But you didnt steal shit, they always get dat money

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"have fun paying texas on gas "

wtf... they get great mpg's



[Edited on June 3, 2008 at 10:33 PM. Reason : 1]

6/3/2008 10:31:19 PM

I feel like I got a good deal because the retail value on the nada website for the truck is 22,800

6/3/2008 10:36:47 PM

they ripped you off because you bought a toyota "truck"

6/3/2008 10:37:34 PM

The dude that traded it in got robbed, you got a good deal, and the dealer still got paid



Commerce, nigga

[Edited on June 3, 2008 at 10:42 PM. Reason : 1]

6/3/2008 10:41:40 PM

^ I like the thinking man

6/3/2008 10:45:03 PM

holla at p nis for more info

6/3/2008 10:46:48 PM

You can't seriously think a toyota isn't a real truck...

pound for pound they are one of the toughest on the market, and have been for almost 30 years now

and yes, that is a good deal, especially from a dealer

[Edited on June 3, 2008 at 10:59 PM. Reason : .]

6/3/2008 10:58:58 PM

Katrina flood cars ftmfw

6/3/2008 11:46:49 PM

its funny how people always feel like they got the best deal at the dealerships....

6/4/2008 12:24:49 AM

Toyota trucks are legendary for their durability. You almost can't kill the fucking things.

6/4/2008 2:26:48 AM

i just want a diesel one. that's all toyota. please.

6/4/2008 2:49:22 AM

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"The dude that traded it in got robbed, you got a good deal, and the dealer still got paid"

6/4/2008 11:46:14 AM

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"wtf... they get great mpg's "

You crazy. Yota has always got terrible gas mileage. I know your Tundra gets 13 in the city just like all the full sizeds from Ford an Cheby.

[Edited on June 4, 2008 at 11:35 PM. Reason : l]

6/4/2008 11:35:23 PM

Tundra =! Tacoma

6/4/2008 11:52:33 PM

^ True, but the Tacomas with the V6 aren't much better and the 4 cylinder is pretty weak.

[Edited on June 5, 2008 at 12:02 AM. Reason : l]

6/5/2008 12:01:16 AM

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"its funny how people always feel like they got the best deal at the dealerships...."

i bought my 330ci and my Evo from dealers, and got great deals...so much so that I turned a nice profit on both of them when I sold them.

6/5/2008 12:06:23 AM

hey my tacoma not so good gas mileage only 20mpg

6/5/2008 12:20:33 AM

shit, my Evo hardly ever turned in that good of mileage.

(the Ram barely does half that, though)

6/5/2008 12:23:40 AM

oh its definitely high er than I am used to, but its no matrix or yaris. the 4.0 v6 is a truck motor no doubt, dont expect it to pull like a supra even with the si

6/5/2008 12:32:28 AM

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"i bought my 330ci and my Evo from dealers, and got great deals...so much so that I turned a nice profit on both of them when I sold them. "

dealers are not going to loose there ass on a car.(any real dealer)

6/5/2008 11:38:52 PM

well no shit, i'm not saying they lost money, but i'm in no position to fuck a lazy seller as hard as a dealer can in a trade-in.

i'm saying that between my BMW and my Evo, I made $3500 profit, minus what I spent on taxes to register them (which puts me only a little in the black, but still--that means I drove for the 2 years I owned those two cars for several hundred dollars less than the price of insurance, fuel/oil/tires, and interest on the loans).

i made $2000 on my S2000 over a 2 year period before that, too, but I bought that one from a private seller.

6/6/2008 12:56:05 AM

1500 bux off higher end cars isnt really anything to brag about. with small money like that. the person bought it cause it was there at the time. now if you would have made 3k-6k(per car) off the cars then that would be another story.
you see cars all day long go for different prices. whats 1500 if you are already gonna spend 23k on a used car.

6/6/2008 1:11:21 AM

dude, if you can just break even, you're doing really good.

buying for 16k and selling for 19k is a damned awesome deal (i sold it for basically KBB...i just got a great deal buying). then bought the Evo for 26k with 7k miles, drove it for a year and a half, sold it with 25k miles for 26.5k. the whole point is that there ARE great deals to be found out there from dealers every now and then.

6/6/2008 1:47:16 AM

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"dude, if you can just break even, you're doing really good"

yes you are right

6/6/2008 1:52:32 AM

im not trying to hijack but..

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"i'm saying that between my BMW and my Evo, I made $3500 profit"

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"16k and selling for 19k "

so 1 car you made 500 on. or you made 3250 off each car?

6/6/2008 1:56:17 AM

If you buy an old car its really easy to make money reselling.

The problem is you drive an old car.....

Duke obviously did better with something that doesnt look 10+ years old.

Congrats

6/6/2008 8:10:08 AM

^^ made $3500 total off the 2 cars I bought from dealers

6/6/2008 9:13:44 AM

^^agreed

6/6/2008 7:09:08 PM

FYI, the values for trucks and SUV's have dropped by nearly 50% in the last 6 months.

So no, you didn't get a steal, you bought a car during a period when the market is crashing for those vehicles. And that Tacoma will probably be selling for 12k by christmas, because its only going to get worse.

In other news, the value of my Saturn has risen to more than I bought it for 5 years ago with 80k less miles on it. HURRAH GAS PRICES

6/6/2008 8:35:19 PM

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"FYI, the values for trucks and SUV's have dropped by nearly 50% in the last 6 months. So no, you didn't get a steal, you bought a car during a period when the market is crashing for those vehicles. And that Tacoma will probably be selling for 12k by christmas, because its only going to get worse."

noen, i got respect for you man, and i know you dont live around here anymore, but you are wrong about the 50% thing. market isnt crashing either, at least not here, and at the most i would say its gone soft. a long way from crashing and 50% drop in value.

6/6/2008 9:33:14 PM

okay, i can't stand it anymore after watching this thread. doesn't anyone else see (besides joel) how this is a PRIME example of why dealerships are laughing all the way to the bank with this gas price scaremongering?

let me break it down:

1. someone buys a new tacoma. times are good, gas is cheap, and toyota trucks are selling like hotcakes. buyer loses, dealership wins.

2. here we are in 2008. gas prices have gone up, and the market floods with low mpg vehicles. high mpg vehicles are the rage. this poor sap takes a beating on his trade in, and overpays for a new prius or civic or wtf ever. buyer loses, dealership wins.

3. along comes the op, thinking he's crafty and will score a sweet deal on a truck in these times of near bankruptcy (lol) for dealers. since he's still stuck on 2006 used vehicle values, he thinks he's gotten an awesome deal. dealership wins, buyer loses. AGAIN.

[Edited on June 6, 2008 at 10:45 PM. Reason : don't forget suv/truck trends have been falling from their peak well before gas prices skyrocketed ]

[Edited on June 6, 2008 at 11:02 PM. Reason : .]

6/6/2008 10:40:30 PM

sooooo say theres a 79 toyo on nc4x4 36's/5.71/detroit/welded/hi-steer/20r/4spd/bobbed lwb bed
whats the bottom dollar on that (whoever has the tj on 36's is in the thread)

6/7/2008 12:15:59 AM

^ Wouldn't something like that be likely to fetch a higher dollar since it's being advertised on a 4x4 forum? I mean, if it was on craigslist that's different, but those guys live for offroading and drinking beers brah. It might have a slight effect on devaluing the truck, but somebody on there will say "shit that's the highest offer so far? I'll give him more than that" if you're trying to snag a deal.

That's just a guess.

Don't mind me, I'm high on a lack of water.

6/7/2008 12:43:27 AM

^^it's worth his asking price imo. anything less than that is a great deal.
^yeah, things like that that have been heavily modified are a little harder to value. whole different ballgame than buying/selling a "normal" vehicle.

6/7/2008 1:15:43 AM

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"Toyota trucks are legendary for their durability. You almost can't kill the fucking things."

tougher than other trucks perhaps, I've killed everyone I've had (over 10 of them), though that could be from gross neglect and abuse, who know's?

6/12/2008 11:54:32 AM

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"noen, i got respect for you man, and i know you dont live around here anymore, but you are wrong about the 50% thing. market isnt crashing either, at least not here, and at the most i would say its gone soft. a long way from crashing and 50% drop in value."

According to KBB, NADA, and all the major media outlets, it has indeed crashed the SUV/Truck market.

Ford has halted production of its SUVs and Trucks for the rest of 2008 and sales are down 44% over last year. If that's not a crash, I don't know what is.

http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2008/06/reports_gm_to_close_4_plants_e.html

Price drops on used trucks
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080519/AUTO01/805190365&imw=Y

The 50% figure I gave came from off-the-lot dealer tradein offers, which have, at least in some areas of the country, dropped that much. And it's going to get MUCH worse before the year is up. The big 3 have been overproducing gas guzzling huge vehicles for years and ignored alternatives, and it's biting them in the ass now.

6/12/2008 3:08:59 PM

A quick google search of "SUV values dropping" yields 10 relevant first page results within the last quarter relating to the crash.

6/12/2008 3:14:07 PM

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"FYI, the values for trucks and SUV's have dropped by nearly 50% in the last 6 months."

(the exact quote)

OK lets take, say an 05 Escalade AWD for example. In December the wholesale value was $23,500. Now its closer to $18K. So we are talking big, gas guzzling SUV and even the wholesale value has dropped less than 25%. Even that is only a slight but faster than normal.


25% is way less than 50%.

Want to look at diesels? A late model F350 at auction used to go for, on average, $6000 more than a F150 of a comprable year. Now the F350 goes for the same amount as a F150. Still no 50% difference, even with the increase in the cost of diesel over recent months.

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"According to KBB, NADA, and all the major media outlets, it has indeed crashed the SUV/Truck market. Ford has halted production of its SUVs and Trucks for the rest of 2008 and sales are down 44% over last year. If that's not a crash, I don't know what is."

KBB and NADA are tools used by dealers to assign higher than actual values to vehicles in order to give consumers the feeling of getting a "good deal". Not saying there is anything wrong with that, but they arent reliable sources. Neither is the major media outlets you mentioned. I however am watching hundreds of cars roll through the auction block each month, and remarketing the ones we buy- I would say that qualifies me to say that- at least around here- values of trucks and SUVS- foreign or domestic- new or used- have NOT decresed anywhere close to 50%. Where did you move to? It must be tight around there. Not so much here, despite all the shit portrayed by talk radio.

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"The 50% figure I gave came from off-the-lot dealer tradein offers, which have, at least in some areas of the country, dropped that much."

Now thats a totally different story, whats that got to do with the thread?? Yeah dealers will look for any reason to offer less for a trade in, thats just typical dealer tactics, nothing more.

6/12/2008 9:38:56 PM

ah, I'd say when you can see an 07 escalade with 2-k miles go thru statesville this week and sell for 30k ( three months ago around went for 40k), the bottom for large SUVs is a little soft in North Carolina.

50% drop is a trade in offer is a great deal for the dealer, and not a very good reflection of the market value (trade in offers are too complicated to really reflect the true vehicle worth)

Not to say that trucks/suvs aren't still selling at all.

btw. ^who the fuck cares but you that you work at a dealer^

referring to the topic of this thread, the dealer still paid less for it than you bought it for, but it's nice to find a ride where they thumped the shit on someone with the trade in and not you, i guess

[Edited on June 12, 2008 at 10:53 PM. Reason : more accurate]

6/12/2008 10:53:14 PM

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"OK lets take, say an 05 Escalade AWD for example. In December the wholesale value was $23,500. Now its closer to $18K. So we are talking big, gas guzzling SUV and even the wholesale value has dropped less than 25%. Even that is only a slight but faster than normal."

You are telling me a 25% drop in value is only slightly faster than normal? In 6 months?

Dude, please.

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"Now thats a totally different story, whats that got to do with the thread?? Yeah dealers will look for any reason to offer less for a trade in, thats just typical dealer tactics, nothing more."

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"KBB and NADA are tools used by dealers to assign higher than actual values to vehicles in order to give consumers the feeling of getting a "good deal". Not saying there is anything wrong with that, but they arent reliable sources. Neither is the major media outlets you mentioned."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/05/23/dumping.suvs/index.html?iref=newssearch

Funny, a wholesale dealer with 20 years of experience says what I'm saying. But I guess he isn't a reliable source either.

6/12/2008 11:08:50 PM