Dear Obama,

You are a fucking idiot. The treasury is not a magical printing press that can just print and magically make more money to help the economy. Obama's pandering to the working class and poor people about having $50 billion more added to the stimulus package; via additional rebates and increased unemployment payouts obviously illustrates his lack of understanding on how the economy works.

I would love another $600 rebate check too but any long term fix for the economy needs more of a plan then handing out money to those laid off and the lower few quintiles of the population. By the way $500 of my $600 stimulus check was spent overseas while i was in Bermuda

Obama campaign is little more then paying lip service to the masses of economic disadvantaged minorities in this country, those disgruntled at the fuck ups by bush, and those that categorize themselves as intellectual green liberal hippies.

[Edited on June 9, 2008 at 10:46 PM. Reason : l]

6/9/2008 10:43:31 PM

did you mean to say bush and his waging a war while cutting taxes and putting the country deep into debt?

6/9/2008 10:44:54 PM

in before the lock

6/9/2008 10:47:45 PM

^^ I agree; but this thread is not discussing this.

Fixing those problems is not going to happen by Obama just handing out more money so Keysha can run down the street and put 22'' rims on her 88 Chevy Cavalier; or John Boy can buy a new gun.

^ why would this thread get locked?

[Edited on June 9, 2008 at 10:48 PM. Reason : ;]

6/9/2008 10:47:46 PM

because there are a number of threads this rant could go in and its dumb?

6/9/2008 10:49:31 PM

did dnl just call a post dumb?!

6/9/2008 10:53:49 PM

6/9/2008 10:56:22 PM

you actually could magically print a bunch of money...it would critically devalue the value of the USD, crippling our economy, but obama could technically do it

6/9/2008 10:59:28 PM

bombs are more expensive than medicine.

fo serious

6/9/2008 11:02:15 PM

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"The treasury is not a magical printing press that can just print and magically make more money to help the economy."

Isn't that sort of how the Federal Reserve does it, by lowering interest rates?

6/9/2008 11:28:52 PM

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"Isn't that sort of how the Federal Reserve does it, by lowering interest rates? "

The Fed "does it" to us by printing up loads of dollars, giving them to banks to pass out to the lucky first few (usually gov't), and the rest of our money loses more spending value.

What cost you $10 in the Fed's first year- 1913... today would cost you $212. The value of our dollar has dropped 95% since the Federal Reserve started "protecting" our currency.

The gutless congress spends and spends, while ignorant Americans allow it to happen..all the while, the economic disaster slowly but surely bears down on us like a silent, giant meteor.

6/9/2008 11:41:29 PM

So uh...buy gold?

6/10/2008 12:45:54 AM

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"the economic disaster slowly but surely bears down on us like a silent, giant meteor."

i was thinking it was more like the middle-aged dentist whose wife just left him and took the kids, and now he's sitting alone in his office in the nitrous chair with the mask on, turning it up, just a little more, a little more, a little.... ah......................

6/10/2008 1:05:45 AM

Of course it grows on trees.

The Treasury and Federal Reserve literally manifest new money into existence. It's downright spooky, actually.

6/10/2008 1:19:08 AM

this country is fucked

6/10/2008 1:30:56 AM

For the record, my Series 7 and 66 just expired.

[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 1:34 AM. Reason : ...]

6/10/2008 1:34:34 AM

^^ no, YOURE fucked.

the rest of us are fuckING.

6/10/2008 2:33:47 AM

Quote :

"because there are a number of threads this rant could go in and its dumb?"

6/10/2008 7:42:05 AM

people have been saying the country is fucked for the last 8 years and now a black dude is running for president and everyone who didnt think it was fucked are jumping on board.

damn it.

6/10/2008 8:29:42 AM

And people thought the anti-Bush people were shrill.

Obama hasn't even entered office.

6/10/2008 8:36:57 AM

if he wins TWW Soapbox will be worthless and filled with shitty threads.

oh wait...

6/10/2008 8:45:08 AM

What? Politicians aren't allowed to pander to the po' folk?

6/10/2008 9:15:27 AM

I'm kinda surprised by you HUR. I'm a fiscal conservative and a former Republican, and I view the last two terms as unacceptable and unforgiveable. Be rational, the Republican party is so far gone in regards to strong leadership and strong economic polices like under Reagan. You seem too content with what has occured in my opinion.

6/10/2008 9:21:13 AM

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"Money grows on Trees!!!"

Nope, it grows in cotton fields

6/10/2008 9:21:45 AM

i would like another $600, but not if the action of getting said money devalued it to $500.

6/10/2008 9:47:49 AM

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"Nope, it grows in cotton fields "

And if by cotton fields you mean hemp fields, then yes.

6/10/2008 11:11:18 AM

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"I'm kinda surprised by you HUR. I'm a fiscal conservative and a former Republican, and I view the last two terms as unacceptable and unforgiveable. Be rational, the Republican party is so far gone in regards to strong leadership and strong economic polices like under Reagan. You seem too content with what has occured in my opinion."

I am neither a republican or a Bush supporter. Yes bush did fuck up and as a fiscal conservative this is just another issue i disapprove about his administration. We are not discussing this though. The way to fix a problem is not by bringing in another candidate who has no idea what he's talking about. I think McCain would do a much better job at brining fiscal responsibility back.

[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 1:05 PM. Reason : l]

6/10/2008 12:55:54 PM

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"I think McCain would do a much better job at brining physical responsibility back."

Haha don't know if McCain can claim that over Obama...

I have to agree that this second stimulus package seems like a dumb, pandering idea.

McCain has plenty of dumb ideas of his own, and at this point I give Obama the edge for being the more fiscally responsible/accountable of the two, but it is ideas like this that make me

6/10/2008 1:03:25 PM

As long as Obama stands by his statements on paygo, he will continue to have my vote.

6/10/2008 1:04:51 PM

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"I'm a fiscal conservative and a former Republican, and I view the last two terms as unacceptable and unforgiveable. Be rational, the Republican party is so far gone in regards to strong leadership and strong economic polices like under Reagan. You seem too content with what has occured in my opinion. "

McCain =/= Bush !!!!

6/10/2008 1:33:54 PM

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"I think McCain would do a much better job at brining fiscal responsibility back."

Why?

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"McCain =/= Bush !!!!"

How so?

6/10/2008 2:19:46 PM

anyone that thinks McCain is Bush part 2 is a fucking idiot who obviously does not know shit about politics. please stop taking your political advice from KUNC and actually do some damn research.

6/10/2008 3:32:24 PM

KUNC?

University of Northern California?
University of Nevada - Carson City?
University of Nebraska Cornhuskers?



[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 5:04 PM. Reason : ]

6/10/2008 5:02:25 PM

^^ It depends what McCain you're talking about.

'00 McCain was the antiBush.

'08 McCain not so much.

6/10/2008 5:03:40 PM

KUNC is the local NPR radio station; whose office is in durham but caters to teh UNC crowd.

6/10/2008 5:29:13 PM

That'd be WUNC.

But I'm wondering if you acknowledge that McCain's positions have very abruptly moved towards Bush's?

6/10/2008 5:31:56 PM

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"Fixing those problems is not going to happen by Obama just handing out more money so Keysha can run down the street and put 22'' rims on her 88 Chevy Cavalier; or John Boy can buy a new gun."

I'm amazed at your ability to come out with a new mock-name for the undesirables you parody in your many posts on this issue.

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"you actually could magically print a bunch of money...it would critically devalue the value of the USD, crippling our economy, but obama could technically do it"

Wait, so when the right devalues the dollar, it's to encourage exports, but when Obama is doing it, it's to cripple the economy?

And who's the say the possibility of more poor getting better educations won't help the economy in the medium term?

[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 5:36 PM. Reason : ]

6/10/2008 5:34:32 PM

John McCain has stood up (and continues to stand up) to the Bush administration on several major issues such as Global Warming and Torture. John McCain has also been a strong critic of the Bush Administration's handling of the war in Iraq and it was in part due to his strong support for the surge in combat troops that the Bush admin changed ITS mind.

Really, the only part of Bush's legacy that McCain has warmed up to is Bush's 2001 income tax cuts. And heck, even Barack Obama has found large pieces of that legislation he wants to hold on to.

This whole "Bush-McCain" bullshit is nothing but a smear tactic designed by the Obama campaign to distract voters away from McCain's ACTUAL stance on the issues. No suprise there. If the voters actually looked at the candidate's platforms, Obama would still be shilling for big-ag back Illinois.

[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 5:37 PM. Reason : ``]

6/10/2008 5:35:47 PM

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"This whole "Bush-McCain" bullshit is nothing but a smear tactic designed by the Obama campaign to distract voters away from the real issues."

This is pretty much the modern definition of campaigning.

6/10/2008 5:37:11 PM

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"Torture"

Not any more. Have you been keeping up with the news?

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1729891,00.html

6/10/2008 5:37:16 PM

Boone,

Apparently, you don't read your own articles.

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"But on this latest piece of legislation, which arose during the heat of the primary campaign and may surface again later this month, McCain sided with Bush in opposing a further restriction of CIA techniques. Despite the claims of some partisans, McCain's decision was not a flip-flop, but rather the continuation of a position he took in 2005 when he first championed a bill to restrict the Bush Administration's ability to mistreat detainees."

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1729891,00.html

Nothing McCain has done on this issue is inconsistant. As the article goes on to elaborate, McCain remains a vocal critic of the administration.

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""It is unfortunate," he said on the Senate floor on February 13, of the Bush Administration's refusal to call waterboarding illegal. "It would be far better, I believe, for the Administration to state forthrightly what is clear in current law." "

You should really read the articles you link. McCain has been and remains a critic of the administration on torture.

[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 5:57 PM. Reason : ``]

6/10/2008 5:46:15 PM

The editorial was just the first google hit. It doesn't mean I endorsed the conclusions made in it.

He supported the veto of a bill that would've definitively ended waterboarding.

Now that the election's here, he's suddenly taken a nuanced view of the matter? Please. Oh noes, let's not step on any agency toes while banning freaking waterboarding.

I don't buy it. Maverick McCain wouldn't have sweat bureaucratic consequences of a bill like this.

6/10/2008 5:56:11 PM

^ *sigh*

Boone, Boone, Boone. Yes, that bill would also officially end waterboarding but it would also prevent the CIA from doing other things that are not considered torture. For example, it would prevent the use of prolonged sleep deprivation!!!! I'm sorry that is not torture. And I doubt Fienstein thought it was either.

McCain was right to support vetoing that bill. This was nothing but a ploy to confuse people read bellow the headlines (sound familiar?).

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"Campaign aides said Saturday that McCain believes waterboarding violates both U.S. and international law and is forbidden to all federal agencies. Randy Scheunemann, foreign policy director for McCain's campaign, denied any inconsistency between the senator's record and his position on the bill. "It's not about waterboarding and it's not about torture," Scheunemann said. He said McCain opposed the bill for the same reason he exempted the CIA from his 2005 legislation: his belief that the agency should not be limited to methods spelled out in a public Army manual. ... The Army Field Manual prohibits the use of force during interrogation. Among the techniques it forbids, in addition to waterboarding, are beatings, burns and electric shock; use of extreme heat; use of dogs; mock executions; forced nudity or sexual acts; hooding or taping a prisoner's eyes; prolonged sleep deprivation; and denial of needed food, water or medical care. "

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2008/03/09/MNBHVGLVO.DTL

[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 6:05 PM. Reason : ``]

6/10/2008 6:02:51 PM

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"prolonged sleep deprivation"

You think that's something America should be doing?

6/10/2008 6:05:41 PM

I think you mean, is that something you FEEL America should be doing

6/10/2008 6:07:30 PM

Yeah-- oddly enough, it stems back to the security v. freedom analogy example.

6/10/2008 6:09:18 PM

how is security vs. freedom not an analogy of thought vs. emotion? oh yeah, it is...dumb fuck

its not my fault you're too stupid to get it, but thanks for making yourself look like an idiot...again

6/10/2008 6:10:30 PM

ummmmmm YES!?
WHAT THE HELL KIND OF INTEREGATION TECHNIQUES SHOULD WE USE!!????
JUST KEEP ASKING THEM QUESTIONS AND HOPE THEY FUCKING EVENTUALLY TELL US THE TRUTH!?
I MEAN COME ON!

THIS IS A FUCKING HORRIBLE WORLD WE LIVE IN. AND IF MAKING SOME ASSHAT LOSE A FEW WINKS OF SLEEP SAVES LIVES THEN I THINK WE SHOULD DO IT! THIS IS NOT FUCKING TORTURE!!!! THIS IS MAKING SOMEONE UNCOMFORTABLE!!!! FFFFFFUUCCCCKKK

DON'T YOU? IF NOT WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND? JEEZ MAN!
PLEASE OUTLINE WHAT THE DEFINITION OF TORTURE IS TO BOONE!

PS* IF SLEEP DEPRIVATION IS TORTURE, THEN SO IS COLLEGE. AND I DON'T MEAN THAT TO BE FUNNY.

[Edited on June 10, 2008 at 6:13 PM. Reason : ``]

6/10/2008 6:11:53 PM

LOUD NOISES

6/10/2008 6:14:16 PM

Ug. Let's not even get into that discussion. I know it won't help my blood pressure to hear about how dandylions and clovers will make terrorists purr like pussy cats.

The point is that McCain's position is not inconsistant and it is opposed to the Bush adminsitration.
That's all I was saying and that's all I will say.

6/10/2008 6:19:24 PM