Oeuvre All American 6651 Posts user info edit post |
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Well after those numbers came out, Gore decided to put in some solar panels in his house among other things to help lessen his energy consumption.
Good for him.
Except now, he's using more energy than he did last year.
Quote : | "In the year since Al Gore took steps to make his home more energy-efficient, the former Vice President’s home energy use surged more than 10%, according to the Tennessee Center for Policy Research.
“A man’s commitment to his beliefs is best measured by what he does behind the closed doors of his own home,” said Drew Johnson, President of the Tennessee Center for Policy Research. “Al Gore is a hypocrite and a fraud when it comes to his commitment to the environment, judging by his home energy consumption.”
In the past year, Gore’s home burned through 213,210 kilowatt-hours (kWh) of electricity, enough to power 232 average American households for a month.
In February 2007, An Inconvenient Truth, a film based on a climate change speech developed by Gore, won an Academy Award for best documentary feature. The next day, the Tennessee Center for Policy Research uncovered that Gore’s Nashville home guzzled 20 times more electricity than the average American household.
After the Tennessee Center for Policy Research exposed Gore’s massive home energy use, the former Vice President scurried to make his home more energy-efficient. Despite adding solar panels, installing a geothermal system, replacing existing light bulbs with more efficient models, and overhauling the home’s windows and ductwork, Gore now consumes more electricity than before the “green” overhaul.
Since taking steps to make his home more environmentally-friendly last June, Gore devours an average of 17,768 kWh per month –1,638 kWh more energy per month than before the renovations – at a cost of $16,533. By comparison, the average American household consumes 11,040 kWh in an entire year, according to the Energy Information Administration.
In the wake of becoming the most well-known global warming alarmist, Gore won an Oscar, a Grammy and the Nobel Peace Prize. In addition, Gore saw his personal wealth increase by an estimated $100 million thanks largely to speaking fees and investments related to global warming hysteria.
“Actions speak louder than words, and Gore’s actions prove that he views climate change not as a serious problem, but as a money-making opportunity,” Johnson said. “Gore is exploiting the public’s concern about the environment to line his pockets and enhance his profile.”
The Tennessee Center for Policy Research, a Nashville-based free market think tank and watchdog organization, obtained information about Gore’s home energy use through a public records request to the Nashville Electric Service." |
http://tennesseepolicy.org/main/article.php?article_id=764
It's ok though, he bought some green credits from himself.
What a hypocrite.6/18/2008 8:14:32 AM |
eyedrb All American 5853 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "What a hypocrite. " |
Yep. But if you send him money the globe will get cooler you know. 6/18/2008 8:41:40 AM |
stantheman All American 1591 Posts user info edit post |
Why does this not surprise me? 6/18/2008 8:43:05 AM |
marko Tom Joad 72828 Posts user info edit post |
because every human on the face of the earth is a raging hypocrite
some are just WAY LOUDER than others 6/18/2008 8:46:35 AM |
jimmy123 Veteran 395 Posts user info edit post |
^well put 6/18/2008 9:02:28 AM |
eyedrb All American 5853 Posts user info edit post |
very good point marko.
“Actions speak louder than words, and Gore’s actions prove that he views climate change not as a serious problem, but as a money-making opportunity,” Johnson said. “Gore is exploiting the public’s concern about the environment to line his pockets and enhance his profile.”
What a great statement there. It sums up my opinion of gore and global warming. 6/18/2008 9:02:45 AM |
Oeuvre All American 6651 Posts user info edit post |
If he was that deathly afraid of global warming as he reportedly is, he would change his lifestyle. 6/18/2008 9:08:41 AM |
scm011 All American 2042 Posts user info edit post |
talk like that will get you a visit from manbearpig while you sleep 6/18/2008 9:09:24 AM |
Oeuvre All American 6651 Posts user info edit post |
Gore just needs to get a raging clue. 6/18/2008 9:16:39 AM |
eyedrb All American 5853 Posts user info edit post |
^^I dont know why, but that really made me laugh. gg
[Edited on June 18, 2008 at 9:16 AM. Reason : .] 6/18/2008 9:16:42 AM |
slamjamason All American 1833 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Gore devours an average of 17,768 kWh per month –1,638 kWh more energy per month than before the renovations – at a cost of $16,533." |
$16.5k a MONTH?
So is he growing pot or running a secret underground lab?6/18/2008 9:28:58 AM |
Oeuvre All American 6651 Posts user info edit post |
he's got a green credit manufacturing plant in his backyard.
[Edited on June 18, 2008 at 9:30 AM. Reason : .] 6/18/2008 9:29:58 AM |
mrfrog ☯ 15145 Posts user info edit post |
dag...
That's something I never understood about politicians. They get so much flack for their houses and stuff... why not just live in a semi-normal house? The wife probably. 6/18/2008 10:08:08 AM |
EarthDogg All American 3989 Posts user info edit post |
And Gore just endorsed Obama..yikes.
Some of his other recent endorsements for president: Howard Dean John Kerry Himself 6/18/2008 10:11:15 AM |
GrumpyGOP yovo yovo bonsoir 18191 Posts user info edit post |
I cannot imagine anything more important than Al Gore's power bill.
Truly, we need more think tanks and organizations to dedicate themselves to this important question. 6/18/2008 12:40:09 PM |
Oeuvre All American 6651 Posts user info edit post |
shut the fuck up. If you can't see the relevance of his personal lifestyle versus what he preaches and profits from, you are naive. 6/18/2008 12:51:40 PM |
Nerdchick All American 37009 Posts user info edit post |
but he buys those carbon offsets.
he pays other people not to pollute for him! 6/18/2008 1:00:44 PM |
Boone All American 5237 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "shut the fuck up. If you can't see the relevance of his personal lifestyle versus what he preaches and profits from, you are naive." |
It totally invalidates his arguments
oh wait6/18/2008 1:06:29 PM |
Oeuvre All American 6651 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "he pays other people himself which he pays other people not to pollute for him! " |
6/18/2008 1:08:46 PM |
sarijoul All American 14208 Posts user info edit post |
not that i feel like this is really a topic worthy of debate, but does this time period include when the house was being renovated? i could see that using far more electricity than during normal use. otherwise i don't know. it seems ridiculous to me to live in such a gigantic house to begin with. 6/18/2008 1:13:10 PM |
Scuba Steve All American 6931 Posts user info edit post |
So he uses 19x times the amount of energy as the average household a month
He basically runs an international non-profit agency from his home. To think he would use anywhere near the average is ridiculous, as his impact on global energy use is extremely low when compared to the size of the energy savings his advocacy has provided. In other words, he has pushed the world to save billions, if not trillions of kW hours and pounds of CO2. 6/18/2008 1:16:20 PM |
eyedrb All American 5853 Posts user info edit post |
Gore saw his personal wealth increase by an estimated $100 million thanks largely to speaking fees and investments related to global warming hysteria.
6/18/2008 1:23:20 PM |
d357r0y3r Jimmies: Unrustled 8198 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "It totally invalidates his arguments
oh wait" |
It doesn't quite do that, but it does make a skeptic wonder how much he really believes what he's been saying.
Quote : | "In the past year, Gore’s home burned through 213,210 kilowatt-hours (kWh) of electricity, enough to power 232 average American households for a month." |
Well, that's a funny way to put it.
[Edited on June 18, 2008 at 1:26 PM. Reason : ]6/18/2008 1:23:43 PM |
Mr. Joshua Swimfanfan 43948 Posts user info edit post |
I'll take the smug hypocritical Al Gore over the fat hysterical one that we had circa 2004. 6/18/2008 1:25:27 PM |
Oeuvre All American 6651 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "He basically runs an international non-profit agency from his home. To think he would use anywhere near the average is ridiculous, as his impact on global energy use is extremely low when compared to the size of the energy savings his advocacy has provided. In other words, he has pushed the world to save billions, if not trillions of kW hours and pounds of CO2." |
LOL yea, I'm sure he has 50 staffers in there working in his house. I'm sure he didn't bother getting an office somewhere.6/18/2008 1:25:30 PM |
GrumpyGOP yovo yovo bonsoir 18191 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "shut the fuck up. If you can't see the relevance of his personal lifestyle versus what he preaches and profits from, you are naive." |
Libertarians utilize all manner of public services while preaching against them. They sincerely believe in getting rid of those services, but with the system as it is, it's hard to get by without them.
God-only-knows how many Republican politicians in recent years have railed against one thing (homosexuality) while actively doing it (in airport bathrooms, as an example). I think some of them sincerely believe that homosexuality is wrong, and just as sincerely can't help how they are.
I've no reason to believe that Al Gore is anything but sincere in his environmental policies. But, there are certain realities to be taken into account here. One, it's hard to be taken seriously as a political force in this country when you live in a shack. Two, I don't recall Al Gore ever saying that people shouldn't be able to live in nice, even opulent homes. I do recall him saying that we need more environmentally friendly means of producing power. And of course, with cleaner energy, it doesn't matter as much how you use. Hell, if Al Gore's house drew its power strictly from nuclear plants, he could run every electrical appliance known to man all day long without requiring much in the way of extra mining, drilling, or pollution. In short: using energy is only a problem when getting that energy is a problem.
Now, at the end of the day, I'm not a big fan of Al Gore or his policies. But a fairly negligible amount of hypocrisy is being blown waaaay out of proportion here.6/18/2008 4:22:19 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148450 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "He basically runs an international non-profit agency from his home" |
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA6/18/2008 4:25:10 PM |
Oeuvre All American 6651 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "One, it's hard to be taken seriously as a political force in this country when you live in a shack." |
Completely disagree. If Al Gore moved into a shack, I would most certainly listen to him and it would prove that his doomsday speeches have shaken him to his core and is making the personal sacrifice to fix it.6/18/2008 4:32:45 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148450 Posts user info edit post |
and who says he has to live in a shack? how about just a normal house? all or nothing right? mansion or shack or nothing
btw did you know all the green renovations he made to his house INCREASED his power bill? brilliant!] 6/18/2008 4:37:42 PM |
Oeuvre All American 6651 Posts user info edit post |
yeah, no one takes you seriously when you live in a shack. - Ghandi
LOL, true that - Mother Teresa 6/18/2008 4:46:06 PM |
agentlion All American 13936 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "btw did you know all the green renovations he made to his house INCREASED his power bill? brilliant!" |
correlation != causation
i seriously doubt, for example, adding solar panels or thermal-heating units were the cause of the increased power. It could be that after he added those items, total power consumption in the house increased 30% because of, i don't know, running a whole bank of Mac Pros doing climate simulations, and the increase activity was offset only partially so his external power usage went up 20%.6/18/2008 4:51:08 PM |
synapse play so hard 60939 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "did you know all the green renovations he made to his house INCREASED his power bill? brilliant!" |
lay down the blunt buddy
you're saying the price of power has been constant? do you know this to be a fact? do you know that there were no other changes to the house which could cause the bills to go up. 5 new hot tubs, a pool, more people living there? the use of plug in hybrids?
please continue with your ignorant assumptions. they amuse me. greatly]6/18/2008 4:59:05 PM |
synapse play so hard 60939 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "A spokesperson for the former vice president is disputing those claims. Kalee Kreider tells the "Tennessean" that Tennessee Center for Policy Research information did not take into consideration that the renovations on Gore's home last year were not completed until November. Kreider says in the past year, the Gore's utility bills have actually dropped 40-percent, thanks to the home's new geothermal heating and cooling system." | ]6/18/2008 5:03:53 PM |
Oeuvre All American 6651 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "In the past year, Gore’s home burned through 213,210 kilowatt-hours (kWh) of electricity, enough to power 232 average American households for a month.
In February 2007, An Inconvenient Truth, a film based on a climate change speech developed by Gore, won an Academy Award for best documentary feature. The next day, the Tennessee Center for Policy Research uncovered that Gore’s Nashville home guzzled 20 times more electricity than the average American household." |
unless the definition of kilowatt-hour has changed... your point is moot.6/18/2008 5:04:18 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148450 Posts user info edit post |
^^uh oh, a spokesperson for Gore (someone he pays to say the right thing) is saying his utility bills are less!
Quote : | "you're saying the price of power has been constant." |
nice strawman...i guess its easier to argue a point that i never made
Quote : | "lay down the blunt buddy" |
nice personal attack...hey maybe you should make a thread in the soap box of a bunch of my sarcastic quotes out of context
[Edited on June 18, 2008 at 5:10 PM. Reason : homo]6/18/2008 5:09:02 PM |
synapse play so hard 60939 Posts user info edit post |
according to this same place you're getting your numbers from, Gore used 221kWh in 2006 and 213kWh in 2007.
http://www.tennesseepolicy.org/main/article.php?article_id=367
Please show me where this rise in energy usage is.
HAS the definition of kWh changed? 6/18/2008 5:11:08 PM |
Oeuvre All American 6651 Posts user info edit post |
LOL HAS IT? HE'S USING A SHIT LOAD OF ENERGY 6/18/2008 5:11:42 PM |
synapse play so hard 60939 Posts user info edit post |
^^^ defend your point then. i dare you.
here will post it again since you seen to have already forgotten it.
Quote : | "did you know all the green renovations he made to his house INCREASED his power bill? brilliant!" | ]6/18/2008 5:12:15 PM |
synapse play so hard 60939 Posts user info edit post |
^^
Quote : | "Well after those numbers came out, Gore decided to put in some solar panels in his house among other things to help lessen his energy consumption.
Good for him.
Except now, he's using more energy than he did last year. " |
6/18/2008 5:13:07 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148450 Posts user info edit post |
213,000 kWh
honest mistake i'm sure, since that makes it look better for Gore...just a few orders of magnitude, no big deal
Quote : | "did you know all the green renovations he made to his house INCREASED his power bill? brilliant!" |
1. he had a massive power bill 2. he made environmental renovations to try and counteract 3. his power bill ended up higher than before
thats what the article says, thats what i said in my quote...how drunk are you right now?]6/18/2008 5:13:46 PM |
synapse play so hard 60939 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "1. he had a massive power bill 2. he made environmental renovations to try and counteract 3. his power bill ended up higher than before" |
so you can, or can't show that the renovations are whats responsible for the increased power bill?
otherwise your logic from step 2 to step 3 is completely fucked]6/18/2008 5:15:30 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148450 Posts user info edit post |
i can't
you know what? neither can you so what is your point?
you're the one whose nitpicking my comment in an effort to suck off gore some more] 6/18/2008 5:16:56 PM |
synapse play so hard 60939 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "i can't
you know what? neither can you so what is your point?" |
i wasn't the one making the wild assumption. you were
win for me
next please]6/18/2008 5:17:37 PM |
sarijoul All American 14208 Posts user info edit post |
well, if you look at the article from feb 2007 it says he used 221,000kwh per year and the new article says he uses 213,000kwh per year.
so. . . that tells me that he has decreased his consumption during 2007 even while the renovations were still going on. 6/18/2008 5:18:52 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148450 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "A spokesperson for the former vice president is disputing those claims. Kalee Kreider tells the "Tennessean" that Tennessee Center for Policy Research information did not take into consideration that the renovations on Gore's home last year were not completed until November. Kreider says in the past year, the Gore's utility bills have actually dropped 40-percent, thanks to the home's new geothermal heating and cooling system." |
lets see that bill and proof of the 40% drop since you're making this wild assumption...40% holy shit thats good...lets see some proof for your wild claim]6/18/2008 5:19:37 PM |
synapse play so hard 60939 Posts user info edit post |
^^ exactly
but that's just too obvious] 6/18/2008 5:20:03 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148450 Posts user info edit post |
yeah i didnt think you'd address your own far fetched claim] 6/18/2008 5:21:02 PM |
synapse play so hard 60939 Posts user info edit post |
those aren't my words buddy. nice try tho. you're really reaching there. 6/18/2008 5:23:21 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148450 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "you're saying the price of power has been constant? " |
those arent my words either...hmmm....funny how its ok for you to call out my statement by just making up shit that i never said or even implied but i cant call you out on a quote that you posted word for word]6/18/2008 5:25:29 PM |
synapse play so hard 60939 Posts user info edit post |
never said those were your words. please learn what a question mark is] 6/18/2008 5:27:22 PM |