ok, need a new windows desktop, my athlon 64 still running ddr1 and an agp graphics card is starting to show its age, haha. what do you guys think?

7/13/2008 1:39:54 AM

7/13/2008 1:41:55 AM

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0281097 for $30 cheaper, and you can get the 640GB drive for $5 more.

7/13/2008 1:45:30 AM

nice

cheaper even with shipping too!

7/13/2008 1:46:31 AM

looks great

7/13/2008 2:11:35 AM

That Case is pretty sweet

7/13/2008 7:24:56 AM

You could probably save some money by getting 4x 1GB sticks of RAM. Vista only recognizes 3gigs BTW.

7/13/2008 9:28:35 AM

^
you mean xp only recognizes 3gb (vista recognizes 4gb )

7/13/2008 9:33:59 AM

Well if he gets Vista 64-bit, it recognizes 8 gigs i thought.

7/13/2008 9:47:06 AM

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"Well if he gets Vista 64-bit, it recognizes 8 gigs i thought."

server 2008 64-bit

7/13/2008 1:01:31 PM

yeah 8 gigs will be nice

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-vista/compare-editions/64-bit.aspx

7/13/2008 1:22:43 PM

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"server 2008 64-bit"

Standard version? 32 gb ram i think and enterprise version 2 TB

Dammit, evan!

7/13/2008 2:03:36 PM

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"You could probably save some money by getting 4x 1GB sticks of RAM. Vista only recognizes 3gigs BTW."

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"^ you mean xp only recognizes 3gb (vista recognizes 4gb )"

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"Well if he gets Vista 64-bit, it recognizes 8 gigs i thought."

32 bit versus 64 bit. XP and Vista are the same in regards to how much ram they support. Any 32 bit version of winows supports 4 gigs of "address space", or 3 gigs of ram. And any 64 bit version of windows supports 128+ gigs of ram unless there's an OS restriction like with Vista home.

7/13/2008 2:16:56 PM

I'd get an ati 4850, a 750gb hdd, and wouldn't bother with an aftermarket cooler.

7/13/2008 2:22:01 PM

Final Price: $750

I just built a similar pc last month, and this is what I concluded:
DDR3 ram isn't worth the price.
I'm not sure what performance gains you will get from that RAM speed that you chose. Every bit of research has shown me that RAM performance depends on the 4-4-4-12 clock settings, not the FSB speeds.
8 gigs is overkill. Spend that extra $100 somewhere else. Unless, of course, you want to fap, video-edit, and play crysis at the same time.

The 4850 has the best price/performance of any card in the market today, there's no point in getting an 8800gt for $160, when you can get a 4850 for that after MIR.

Get Vista 64-bit SP1. It's amazing. Also, buy a 4gig USB flashdrive for ReadyBoost or whatever its called.

The case you chose is great for sound reduction. I'm using the 300 and its cool and quiet as hell, anyway. It also comes with a combo deal on a great PSU.

750 Watts is overkill, seriously don't do that. 500 is more than enough until you CF, which you shouldn't.

Most importantly:
The Nehalem CPUs coming out Q4 of this year are being built for a new mobo socket type.
This means any any mobo you buy now will only allow for you to upgrade to top-of-the-line cpu's that are coming out Q3, before it's discarded.
You will probably only see marginal gains from those new Q3 cpu's from the e8400 when you go to upgrade again. So your mobo/cpu may not ever need upgrading.

So:
"Cheap out" on the mobo, buying an "old" p35 that will give you the same performance as anything else you buy less than $200 (X35/X45/P35 which you aren't going to Crossfire anyway), and save that money to upgrade your CPU Q3 (or CPU/mobo Q4) of this year if you want.

You're building a PC at a bad time, so try to be as forward-thinking as possible. Everything but the RAM/CPU/Mobo can be used again, so just find the best value on those.

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7/13/2008 2:25:36 PM

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"Get Vista 64-bit SP1. It's amazing."

server 2008 64-bit is better.

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""Cheap out" on the mobo, buying an "old" p35 that will give you the same performance as anything else you buy less than $200 (X35/X45/P35 which you aren't going to Crossfire anyway), and save that money to upgrade your CPU Q3 (or CPU/mobo Q4) of this year if you want."

i don't upgrade things often... at all

the pc i'm using is like 4 years old now.

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"The Nehalem CPUs coming out Q4 of this year are being built for a new mobo socket type. This means any any mobo you buy now will only allow for you to upgrade to top-of-the-line cpu's that are coming out Q3, before it's discarded. You will probably only see marginal gains from those new Q3 cpu's from the e8400 when you go to upgrade again. So your mobo/cpu may not ever need upgrading."

nice, i don't keep up with desktop processors, all the stuff i deal with at work are enterprise-grade servers... good to know

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"750 Watts is overkill, seriously don't do that. 500 is more than enough until you CF, which you shouldn't."

i know but i couldn't find a 500 watt one that was modular that i liked

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"DDR3 ram isn't worth the price. I'm not sure what performance gains you will get from that RAM speed that you chose. Every bit of research has shown me that RAM performance depends on the 4-4-4-12 clock settings, not the FSB speeds. 8 gigs is overkill. Spend that extra $100 somewhere else. Unless, of course, you want to fap, video-edit, and play crysis at the same time."

ddr3 won't be worth it for consumer-grade stuff for a year at least, wait until the price drops

8 gigs may be overkill but i want it, i can't think of another place i'd like to spend it
i don't game... at all... so i don't really care about vid card (except for photoshop gpu acceleration that's upcoming & the deko rendering on the gpu)
cpu is plenty fast, and i'm not going quad core until the price drops
don't need a bigger HD, i have plenty of storage on my SAN.

7/13/2008 4:45:35 PM

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7/13/2008 4:49:27 PM

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"server 2008 64-bit is better."

QFT

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7/13/2008 4:52:53 PM

so... what is Server 2008 like?

7/13/2008 8:09:16 PM

yeah what would be its advantages over Vista 64? Aside from the interface? (everything in vista can be turned off (uac/aero, can switch to windows classic style)

[Edited on July 13, 2008 at 8:31 PM. Reason : ..]

7/13/2008 8:30:05 PM

none of the bloatware, memory footprint is smaller, you can pick and choose what you want running

vista gives you a set of shit by default and you have to work to turn it all off.

and actually i like the vista interface - you can run it in server 2008 by installing the "windows desktop experience" feature.

i've run both of them at different times on the same machine at work, and server 2008 x64 was far superior to vista x64 (at least, in my opinion).

7/13/2008 9:21:08 PM

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7/13/2008 11:11:51 PM

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7/13/2008 11:22:03 PM

It's evan guys

He wants to create his own thread to get attention.

7/13/2008 11:38:38 PM

that's gay

7/14/2008 12:04:07 AM

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"memory footprint is smaller"

Youre buying 4GB of ram for gods sake!

7/14/2008 8:45:24 AM

4GB is small these days. I need to move up to 8GB but haven't gotten around to it.

7/14/2008 8:47:44 AM

^ just out of curiousity, what are you doing that you need 8gb of memory? i do a more-than-average bit of memory-intensive computing and my 4gb is sufficient...with 8gb, i'd disable the page file, but that's it

7/14/2008 9:20:09 AM

Yeah i think 4GB is enough but with 8GB i wouldn't mind disabling the page file and allowing the HDD to spin a lot less. Plus ram is so cheap now a days, why not?

7/14/2008 9:53:31 AM

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"Plus ram is so cheap now a days, why not?"

7/14/2008 11:40:49 AM

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7/14/2008 11:43:07 AM

i need 64 GB but you can only do that with a server motherboard

7/14/2008 11:48:09 AM