according to McCain

9/12/2008 1:48:55 PM

Busy, will watch later

9/12/2008 1:50:33 PM

didn't watch the videos.

But Obama wants basic "sex ed" for younger children in the form of "things that are inappropriate for adults to do" and parents would be able to opt their kids out if they disagreed with it.

9/12/2008 1:53:30 PM

9/12/2008 2:43:19 PM

^^yeah basically obama supported stranger-danger type education for kids, and mccain released an ad saying obama is wrong for your family b/c he wants to teach kindergartners about sex before they can read.

the first video has a pretty great part where the reporter asks if this twisting of the truth is disingenuous, the mccain spokesperson responds saying democrats are afraid of palin, & the reporter basically going wtf mate? that's not what i was asking about at all!

9/12/2008 3:57:36 PM

Yeah, I eventually went back and watched them when i had more time. Very misleading ad by the McCain campaign.

9/12/2008 4:01:35 PM

13    such  pupil.  Each  class  or  course  in  comprehensive  sex
14    education offered in any of  grades  K   through  12  shall
15    include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted
16    infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread
17    of HIV. Nothing in this Section prohibits instruction in
18    sanitation, hygiene or traditional courses in biology.

 2        All  family life courses of instruction shall satisfy the
 3    following criteria:

...

 7             (2)  All  course material and instruction in classes
 8        that teach sex education and discuss sexual  activity  or
 9        behavior shall be age and developmentally appropriate.

...

14             (4)  Course material and instruction  shall  present
15        the  latest  medically factual information regarding both
16        the possible side effects  and  health  benefits  of  all
17        forms of contraception, including the success and failure
18        rates  for  the  prevention  of  pregnancy  and  sexually
19        transmitted infections, including HIV.

9/12/2008 4:21:18 PM

^ that could still easily fall under "stranger-danger" stuff, though

I mean, adults who want to make you sick (STDs, etc) or touch you inappropriately = bad

[Edited on September 12, 2008 at 4:28 PM. Reason : it's ridiculous that the ad just generically says "OMG TEACHING KINDERGARTENERS ABOUT SEX!!!!"]

9/12/2008 4:27:22 PM

^ It specifically says the course must cover the topic of contraception (which is why I quoted item 4), which really has nothing to do with avoiding sexual predators (and I don't think it can be interpreted as such).

It says what it say. Of course, I doubt the intent was to teach kindergartners about sexual activity.

[Edited on September 12, 2008 at 4:32 PM. Reason : ]

9/12/2008 4:30:42 PM

Quote :

"Each class or course in comprehensive sex education offered in any of grades K through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections,"

Well Kindergaten through 5th generally wont have any class or course in comprehensive sex education... So that is invalid

Nor will they have a family life course of instruction...


So basically I read that as if you are teaching sex ed - you need to include instruction on STD's. And that all classes that teach sex ed should be "age and developmentally appropriate"..

that would make that ad a big ol' lie.

9/12/2008 4:31:59 PM

Obama wants to introduce children to tub girl!

9/12/2008 4:34:13 PM

Quote :

"It specifically says the course must cover the topic of contraception (which is why I quoted item 4), which really has nothing to do with avoiding sexual predators (and I don't think it can be interpreted as such). It says what it say. Of course, I doubt the intent was to teach kindergartners about sexual activity."

It says "Each class or course in comprehensive sex education offered in any of grades K through 12"

"any of the grades" doesn't mean "in all grades"

I bet they wouldn't even teach this stuff until middle school

9/12/2008 4:34:56 PM

The same provisions I quoted are made for courses on "family life" as are for "comprehensive sex education". The document was specifically edited to change grade 6 to K.

9/12/2008 4:35:51 PM

I still think the "age and developmentally appropriate" clause makes it obvious that nobody's going to be telling kindergartners to wrap it up.

[Edited on September 12, 2008 at 4:37 PM. Reason : .]

9/12/2008 4:37:42 PM

^ seriously. anyone who stopped and thought about this for more than 1 second probably could have come to that conclusion.

9/12/2008 4:40:39 PM

thats pretty clear.

I guess if you want to twist it you can to say "teach all kids about sex", when in reality, it means "sex education courses taught to the appropriately mature aged students should contain these facts about contraception, STD preventions, etc"

9/12/2008 4:43:33 PM

That first video illustrates exactly why I stopped following politics:

Quote :

"IT'S A LIE NO IT'S NOT YES IT IS"

very productive discussion about the issues facing the US

9/12/2008 4:45:32 PM

well we got our non comprehensive sex ed class in 5th grade (this is a penis, this is a vagina. if you bleed from your vagina, tell your mom. don't touch the penis)

by 6th grade, a girl in my class was preggers.

i think, overall, the course worked well.

9/12/2008 4:46:37 PM

hahah my 7th grade sex ed teach would only say that she believes in abstinence until marriage and would not teach anything during the course...

1 out of 10 girls were pregnant before graduation...

[Edited on September 12, 2008 at 4:49 PM. Reason : small school..only about 50 girls total :-p]

9/12/2008 4:48:55 PM

my sex(health) ed teacher had 3 kids and one on the way...

[Edited on September 12, 2008 at 6:00 PM. Reason : o yea and the slide show of horrible STDs shown in the multipurpose room kept the pregnancies down]

9/12/2008 5:59:41 PM

Obama/Palin are still getting my vote..WHATS YOUR POINT?

9/12/2008 7:09:01 PM

^how do you plan to do that?

9/13/2008 6:50:47 AM

very carefully

9/13/2008 8:06:55 AM

Quote :

"o yea and the slide show of horrible STDs shown in the multipurpose room kept the pregnancies down"

Those shock pics do more harm than good, IMO. The disfigured penii seen in the pictures are from people with bad immune systems (AIDS patients for example) and a total misrepresentation of what herpes/warts/clap/etc really look like. I understand the intent is to scare kids away from having sex, but we all know that they end up having sex anyway. And their education has not prepared them to recognize the real thing.

After seeing the pics, kids think they're fine as long as their genitals don't look like cottage cheese. But sometimes chlamydia and gonorrhea don't show any symptoms at all, especially in women. Women can get one wart that goes away in a few weeks, but still carry HPV and be at increased risk for cervical cancer. Even HIV doesn't show symptoms for months or even years. A good sex-ed course would say that STDs often go unrecognized and stress the importance of getting tested, not make it look like all STDs turn your privates into an oozing wasteland.

9/13/2008 11:29:52 AM

^ I don't know, it scared me off for YEARS.

9/13/2008 12:36:27 PM

AHA, you know its bad when Karl Rove is the one calling you out.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

Quote :

"(CNN) – Former Bush adviser Karl Rove suggested Sunday that John McCain had gone “one step too far” in some of his recent ads attacking Barack Obama."

9/14/2008 2:19:27 PM

Quote :

"^ I don't know, it scared me off for YEARS."

did you wait till you were married? I suspect not. abstinence/misinformation #1?

9/14/2008 2:22:59 PM

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/183612

9/14/2008 2:31:07 PM

^i never saw that scene before, it merits embedding

9/15/2008 8:32:30 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY5Plqs5d98

9/15/2008 8:50:39 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH0xzsogzAk

9/15/2008 9:22:37 PM

9/15/2008 9:29:00 PM

^ YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND...THAT'S AN INVENTION OF LIBERAL BASTARDS

9/15/2008 9:31:23 PM

very clever ^^

9/15/2008 10:01:23 PM

i know, right. hey, let's give a meaningless statistic and ignore all the background surrounding it. w00t!

9/15/2008 10:02:36 PM

meaningless

9/15/2008 10:06:37 PM

the repubs have done shitty jobs with the money they've had in office, but at least they left enough tax dollars in peoples pockets to make up for it somewhat and letting those free tax dollars create more wealth and jobs

romney could fix this shit. oh well. maybe in 2012

9/15/2008 10:11:19 PM

Yeah... they've done a terrific job over the past 8 years.

9/15/2008 10:11:55 PM

no. they've done a shitty ass job. but you have to admit they've been dealt some serious shit though as far as national security.

i mean, the cold war, invasions in the middle east, huge turruristss attacks, have basically not helped.

[Edited on September 15, 2008 at 10:13 PM. Reason : d]

9/15/2008 10:12:57 PM

Yeah, they dealt real well with 9/11.

9/15/2008 10:13:23 PM

yes, it is a meaningless statistic, and I already explained why, you douchebag

9/15/2008 10:14:12 PM

^^we didn't do shit.

we put out the fires and cleaned up the pentagon. i don't see any new buildings. all i see is dumb americans running up credit card debt and getting mortgages they can't pay for

and turning into fatasses

[Edited on September 15, 2008 at 10:14 PM. Reason : f]

9/15/2008 10:14:49 PM

to be fair, it's not really the federal gubment's job to rebuild the WTC. That was a privately owned complex. At best, it would be up to NYC gubment to rebuild that shit.

9/15/2008 10:17:06 PM

pad

9/15/2008 10:17:38 PM

Well, the ad clearly misrepresents the intent of the bill.

BUT, the concern that I have is that some nut job school district could decide to teach comprehensive sex education to the Kindergartners, and then the uninvolved parents would just sign the permission slip and send their kids off to school.

Then, the Kindergartner comes home talking about sex and disease and condoms, and the parents hit the fucking roof, and sue the school district. The school district wins because it's in the legislation that they can do this.

If you don't think this situation COULD (emphasis on could) happen, then you're not paying attention to the world around you. I think the wording of the bill is irresponsible, and the fact that it was specifically edited to alter Grade 6 to Grade K gives me the heebies. Stranger Danger != Sexual Predator education.

9/16/2008 11:17:03 AM

i think we are going to have to start locking political threads if new ones are created every day.
there really isnt a need to create a NEW topic about the same shit just because.

[Edited on September 16, 2008 at 11:20 AM. Reason : overboard]

9/16/2008 11:19:57 AM

great video moron, in addition to making his point, he also is perhaps a little sour about losing his party's primary?

9/16/2008 2:17:56 PM