So, I'm totally going on talking points here, I'll admit it.

But, didn't Obama promise a tax-cut for all households making less than 250k? And didn't he say the porkulous-bill was the tax-cut? I thought that capped it at 75k?

Oh, and what about his carbon-tax. And his per-mile tax? Isn't that, you know, a tax increase? Time for America to wake-the-fuck-up. Obama lied about his "tax cuts"

2/28/2009 2:27:31 PM

Well, duh. Candidates are supposed to lie during elections.

Next you're going to be upset that car salesmen aren't honest.

2/28/2009 2:34:54 PM

I thought it was common fact that all candidates make promises during their campaigns to which they do not keep or break.

I do not feel like digging for it but i remember watching a whole 10 min segment where bush made comments on the campaign trail than did the opposite in office.

2/28/2009 2:53:20 PM

it's pretty well known that when politicians from all parties talk about "tax cuts", the one they are talking about and the one people understand they're talking about is the income tax that comes out of your paycheck every week.

2/28/2009 3:05:44 PM

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"But, didn't Obama promise a tax-cut for all households making less than 250k? And didn't he say the porkulous-bill was the tax-cut? I thought that capped it at 75k?"

http://thefinancebuff.com/2009/02/tax-cuts-in-stimulus-bill-updated.html

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"For 2009 and 2010, $400 per person tax credit for AGI under $75,000; phased out to $95,000 (double everything for married filing jointly)."

So, no. It caps at $190,000 per household.

I guess it's time to get your talking points from somewhere else.

[Edited on February 28, 2009 at 4:51 PM. Reason : .]

2/28/2009 4:50:59 PM

sorry, meant to say individuals capped at 75,000. Doesn't change the fact that he LIED. Even at 190k, it's a lie. Care to defend the messiah now?

2/28/2009 9:43:24 PM

I think we should have two tax brackets.

One for people who work and one for people who don't.

Splitting us all up into these separate brackets just keeps us all fighting with one another.

When we need to all get together and get to robbing those figuratively fat fuckers who sit on they asses all day, collecting on investments and shit.

I don't care where your money comes from--welfare or your great, great bootlegging granddaddy. If you ain't got a job, it's the same shit. Holding charity balls or selling drugs doesn't count as a job.

Shit, I'm bout to graduate. I don't wanna be working no job if other fuckers aren't gonna do their part to earn their own.

2/28/2009 9:52:45 PM

I'm a 100% ok with that. But only if you include welfare recipients into that same class of "people who don't work". Ok, I'm not ok with that, because what you call "not working" is completely subjective

2/28/2009 10:00:12 PM

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"get to robbing those figuratively fat fuckers who sit on they asses all day, collecting on investments and shit."

2/28/2009 10:29:18 PM

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"When we need to all get together and get to robbing those figuratively fat fuckers who sit on they asses all day, collecting on investments and shit."

Why would anyone ever invest if they are not going to be allowed to collect upon it?

BridgetSPK, your goal is not to level society, your goal appears to be to smash society and kill off half of us, impoverish the other half. Do I have it wrong?

2/28/2009 10:31:11 PM

AHAHA

I was being silly.

But, for real, I'm basically just trotting out my same tax plan that nobody takes seriously.

0% income tax.

100% estate tax.

2/28/2009 10:37:08 PM

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"One for people who work and one for people who don't."

WTF??

People who don't work don't pay income taxes.

Though if they have income via trusts, stocks, or investments this is called something magical: Capital Gains Tax. In fact if you work and make money from your investments, sale of property, etc you pay income tax and than capital gains tax though the later is taxed at a lower percent.

2/28/2009 10:40:12 PM

I'm familiar with the capital gains tax.

The people who work should pay a much lower capital gains tax than the people who don't.

2/28/2009 10:42:39 PM

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"he LIED. Even at 190k, it's a lie. Care to defend the messiah now?"

lol, was this is the most thread-worthy LIE you could find?

It's hardly a LIE when in the time between the promise and the budget, the deficit has doubled.

3/1/2009 8:43:49 AM

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"0% income tax. 100% estate tax."

I love it. The size of government would collapse to almost nothing, since most people would never pay your estate tax. Afterall, they would have every incentive to avoid it, even if it destroyed most of their estate doing it, and it is easy to avoid.

3/1/2009 10:27:14 AM

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"The people who work should pay a much lower capital gains tax than the people who don't."

..... what about people who's work is to create capital gains?

3/1/2009 10:58:01 AM

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"Even at 190k, it's a lie. "

He said households making less than 200K would get a tax cut. Those between 200K and 250K would stay the same. So he was off by 10K. OMG LIAR

[Edited on March 1, 2009 at 11:49 AM. Reason : .]

3/1/2009 11:48:55 AM

^ bullshit. He said if you made less than 250k, u'd see a tax cut. It's amazing how selective your memory is.

^^^^
It's a pretty damned big when one of the major arguments for him was his alleged "tax-cuts" for the middle class. it's ok, though. You don't need to stop your worshipping, boonetard

3/1/2009 12:28:24 PM

the cut off for tax cuts was $227,000 according to the comparison that was going around during the election.

3/1/2009 12:34:35 PM

Who cares about tax cuts when you just got laid off because of 8 years of Government-sanctioned corporate irresponsibility?


I sure don't.

3/1/2009 12:50:42 PM

I don't understand why the lowest income group gets Obama's biggest tax break when these people do not pay hardly any taxes to begin with.

3/1/2009 1:19:29 PM

^It makes the chart look better.

3/1/2009 1:20:51 PM

^^ because the relative size of that tax break will help those people the most

3/1/2009 1:22:35 PM

because everyone knows those people are the most deserving. I mean, clearly they are the winners in life

3/1/2009 1:24:22 PM

you're right. the only measure of how successful "at life" you are is what tax bracket you're in

3/1/2009 1:27:42 PM

^^ not eveyone can be a doctor, engineer, etc and make middle to high wages. our society relies on people working on all levels including custodians, bus drivers, and other low-pay service jobs. a $500-1000 tax cut is going to go much further for these people than it would for someone that makes more than that off of interest from their savings account.

[Edited on March 1, 2009 at 2:06 PM. Reason : []

3/1/2009 2:05:41 PM

to burro: obama said just that he wouldn't raise taxes for people who make under $250K. and he said this over and over again. i can't believe you still don't remember that.

3/1/2009 2:41:06 PM

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"bullshit. He said if you made less than 250k, u'd see a tax cut. It's amazing how selective your memory is."

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/taxes/Factsheet_Tax_Plan_FINAL.pdf

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"Under the Obama Plan: Middle class families will see their taxes cut – and no family making less than $250,000 will see their taxes increase."

First page, jackass.

3/1/2009 2:54:22 PM

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"not eveyone can be a doctor, engineer, etc and make middle to high wages. our society relies on people working on all levels including custodians, bus drivers, and other low-pay service jobs."

But they do not have to be low pay. If technology allowed for the elimination of the labor shortage for high-pay positions then wages would adjust somewhere in the middle.

3/1/2009 3:12:08 PM

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"I love it. The size of government would collapse to almost nothing, since most people would never pay your estate tax. Afterall, they would have every incentive to avoid it, even if it destroyed most of their estate doing it, and it is easy to avoid."

I've had this conversation before. The other guy got just smug as you.

So congratulations on pointing out that people would avoid it.

The obvious answer is that in my world I wouldn't let them avoid it. Shit, I'd devote half the government's resources to just tracking down cheaters.

[Edited on March 1, 2009 at 3:15 PM. Reason : ]

3/1/2009 3:14:56 PM

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"not eveyone can be a doctor, engineer, etc and make middle to high wages. our society relies on people working on all levels including custodians, bus drivers, and other low-pay service jobs. a $500-1000 tax cut is going to go much further for these people than it would for someone that makes more than that off of interest from their savings account."

This is why I am not a liberal; I can't believe people think this garbage.

3/1/2009 3:26:43 PM

I mean, I guess this is what we all get for responding to a thread that is so lame that even aaronburro of all people admits that they're just rehashing talking points.

3/1/2009 3:38:57 PM

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"This is why I am not a liberal; I can't believe people think this garbage."

This is why you aren't a liberal... you don't think. The person described "diminishing marginal utility", a first day concept in the study of the field of economics. A tax cut is going to provide much more utility to people who have lower incomes, as they have considerably less disposable income (money left over after paying rent/bills).

3/1/2009 3:48:27 PM

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"This is why I am not a liberal; I can't believe people think this garbage."

err, what? does not compute

3/1/2009 3:51:00 PM

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"But they do not have to be low pay. If technology allowed for the elimination of the labor shortage for high-pay positions then wages would adjust somewhere in the middle."

haha, yeah, wages would "adjust" to the middle.
Coming from the same people who want to get rid of minimum wage so companies can pay $2/hour if it will help them increase their profit margin

3/1/2009 3:51:29 PM

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"The obvious answer is that in my world I wouldn't let them avoid it. Shit, I'd devote half the government's resources to just tracking down cheaters."

And you would fail to a large extent. If you made it illegal for people to either transfer or sell property to potential inheritors, that will not stop them from liquidating their property and splurging it. Getting old? Best be safe, liquidate everything, rent a huge house for your children to move into, rent a big car (which one of your children starts driving to work) and take everyone on cruises to the caribbean every year. Sure, your prodigy would rather you help them buy a house, but that is illegal.

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"haha, yeah, wages would "adjust" to the middle. Coming from the same people who want to get rid of minimum wage so companies can pay $2/hour if it will help them increase their profit margin"

Are you suggesting prices in a free market do not change to reflect changing realities?

And to correct you, I want to get rid of the minimum wage because forcing people under penality of law to starve to death in the street is immoral.

3/1/2009 6:13:42 PM

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"First page, jackass."

Too bad he's had time to, you know, EDIT HIS FUCKING WEB PAGE. good work, dumbass.

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"Shit, I'd devote half the government's resources to just tracking down cheaters."

No you wouldn't. You'd do the same thing Obama does and put them in your cabinet.

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"This is why you aren't a liberal... you don't think."

Generally, thinking is the kind of thing that conservatives do, not liberals. That's why we have such stupid things as SS in the first place

3/1/2009 8:04:04 PM

I'm sure Obama could've edited things. It's seems more likely that you just don't know what you're talking about.

Would you care to cite anything to counter the fact that you've just been caught red-handed being a jackass?

3/1/2009 8:14:29 PM

would you care to cite anything from the news to counter my claim?
the fucking graphic posted on this page supports me, for crying out loud.

3/1/2009 8:16:43 PM

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"OBAMA: My definition -- here's what I can tell the American people: 95 percent of you will get a tax cut. And if you make less than $250,000, less than a quarter-million dollars a year, then you will not see one dime's worth of tax increase."

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/debates/transcripts/first-presidential-debate.html

Didn't claim they'd get a tax cut.

That's now three citations to your zero.

3/1/2009 8:22:41 PM

apparently, the graph above doesn't mean a damn thing to you, does it? you know, since it was gleaned from his tax plan. Obama changed his story on fucking EVERYTHING. That's the whole point. Congratulations, though, on cherry-picking one sentence and not including the rest of his speeches where he claimed 250k and below would get a cut.

but, tell me. Do you not call a carbon tax a "tax increase?" Do you not call the tax-per-mile a tax increase? Is 13 dollars a fucking month really a tax cut? no. it's not. He LIED. but it;'s ok. You'll forgive him, just like the idiots in N. Korea and China forgive their dear leaders. In fact, I'm finding a TON of links about how he CHANGED his tax plan in around October. Kind of convenient, wouldn't you agree?

[Edited on March 1, 2009 at 8:31 PM. Reason : ]

3/1/2009 8:25:46 PM

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"Congratulations, though, on cherry-picking one sentence and not including the rest of his speeches where he claimed 250k and below would get a cut."

You still haven't posted quotes from any of these speeches.

3/1/2009 8:29:18 PM

That graph doesn't really directly address the $250,000 cut-off, but it appears that Obama was LIEing about his promised $12 tax cut to that bracket?

You've yet to provide a quote of his promised $250k tax cut. I searched all three debate transcripts, and this is the only time he made a promise to $250k-ers

And ignoring all that, it's hilarious how nitpicky ya'll are having to be to pin anything on him. A slight change in the tax policy is now a LIE

3/1/2009 8:33:08 PM

http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Obama_s_tax_cut_threshold_shrinking

proof that his threshold shrunk. ergo, it was, at one point, 250k. convenient lying. interesting, though, is the Biden blunder of 150k. Which is exactly what the threshold ended up really being, for a single person, at 75k.


a SLIGHT change? From 200k SINGLE person down to 75k? give me a fucking break.

[Edited on March 1, 2009 at 8:33 PM. Reason : ]

3/1/2009 8:33:08 PM

Haha, a Digg link to a WorldNetDaily article.

Nice research, chucklehead.

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"From 200k SINGLE person down to 75k? give me a fucking break."

Where is your information coming from. Seriously-- just be honest about it.

[Edited on March 1, 2009 at 8:37 PM. Reason : ]

3/1/2009 8:34:41 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/offthebus-listening-post/obama-camp-promises-tax-c_b_118979.html

note the title of the page. mmmm.

http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?t=21622

how can you NOT admit that the scale has constantly been sliding. I recognize that last link is a message board, but it fucking SHOWS that at some point Obama promised a tax cut for 250k and below. I'm sorry that you have your head in the sand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGi30GErEKI
BAM! 18:50. He says he will CUT YOUR TAXES. Yes, he started out with "your taxes won't increase." But he finished up with "we will CUT YOUR TAXES." eat it, jackass

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1w29_XSbTo
2:15 same thing.

[Edited on March 1, 2009 at 9:05 PM. Reason : ]

3/1/2009 8:52:27 PM

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"BAM! 18:50. He says he will CUT YOUR TAXES. Yes, he started out with "your taxes won't increase." But he finished up with "we will CUT YOUR TAXES." eat it, jackass"

3/1/2009 8:55:06 PM

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"At the forefront of the tax plan was a promise to not raise taxes on any individual making under $200,000 or families making $250,000."

from the huffpost link...

wut?

3/1/2009 8:55:17 PM

to be fair, that's not a "tax cut," jwb. Even though he's already broken that promise by proposing a carbon tax. Guess what, folks, THAT'S A TAX ON EVERYONE. WOOOP!!!

3/1/2009 9:24:52 PM

So now "generalizations during a campaign speech" = LIEing!

I mean, really. This is a mountain out of a molehill. If this is the best reason you can find to hate him so far, he's doing pretty stellar.

3/1/2009 9:44:23 PM