http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-864522917532871834

anybody seen it?

it scares me.

the world is only set to become more dangerous and intolerant.

all these people are not muslims. i felt like beating the shit out that dude at 6:34. especially for the bullshit he uttered at 7:15. and he seemed like a white convert. converts tend to be a lot more extreme than the average born-muslim.

anyway, the ultra-PC liberals will play it down and dismiss it as a hate-film.

4/6/2009 9:12:14 PM

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"the world is only set to become more dangerous and intolerant."

Key word => the world

But unlike, the rest of the world, America is a sponge for dangerous levels of tolerance. We've put blinders on in the name of FREEDOM.

Good intentions, horrible vision. So now, the blinders have turned into blindfolds. And we're being led to the gallows in them.

4/6/2009 11:47:15 PM

I don't feel like watching your video. But I guess it is scary.

No. Our free society cannot be destroyed from the outside by Jihadism. The only way would be if most of us gave up on protecting freedom in the name of security, after-which we will have neither.

Islam is not a threat to western society, it never can be unless we ourselves make it a threat by sacrificing western values in the name of waging war upon it.

4/7/2009 1:59:12 AM

The world isn't going to become more dangerous and intolerant.

I honestly thing you guys need to stop reading everything on the internet.

Rule 34.

4/7/2009 2:01:34 AM

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"Our free society cannot be destroyed from the outside by Jihadism."

Well maybe then you should have watched the video, because it shows how the US will be destroyed from WITHIN, by extremist Muslims (born and converts) living in the US.

Europe is famous for firebrand preachers giving charged speeches in public against the infidel West, but I had no clue such speeches were also taking place on the streets of US cities.

BTW, the video is made by a Muslim surgeon who is digusted by the extremism and wants to expose it.

The central theme is an Arabic document that was found in the US which outlined in massive detail how the US will be destroyed from within, and Shariah will one day rule in the US.

Did you know that 31 terrorist attacks against the US have been thwarted since 9/11? Majority of them were being planned in the US by cells of extremist Muslims. I didn't know that... I thought the number was something like 5 or 6. And no matter how many people you capture in Iraq or Afghanistan, they can't help you crack those cells, because there is no connection between the two (American Muslim terrorists, and Arab/AlQaeda terrorists abroad). The danger is home-grown, and it is here.

Just watch it.

4/7/2009 3:11:08 AM

lol there aint too much to "expose" imo

4/7/2009 3:32:07 AM

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"EPIC YOUTUBE RESEARCH"

4/7/2009 8:32:05 AM

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" because it shows how the US will be destroyed from WITHIN, by extremist Muslims (born and converts) living in the US."

Which is impossible. Radical islam is not a persuasive idiology. It conflicts on every level of American cultural tradition and, even if it didn't, it does not work as a social system. Radical Islam has not worked in any of the countries that adopted it. It fails to answer the question of justice, it fails to answer the question of allegiance, and it fails to answer the question of production. And it is this last one that makes an idiology relevant in today's world. Afterall, historically speaking the society with fighter jets tends to dominate the society with pointy sticks. So, like communism, radical islam is relegated to the ashbin of history.

That some Americans and Europeans have decided to rebel against the current system and adopt radical islam is irrelevant. Or did the Oklahoma City Bombing convince you that the nation was going to fall to radical christianity or did Columbine convince you that the nation was going to fall at the hands of the trenchcoat mafia to goth subculture?

4/7/2009 2:19:39 PM

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"Which is impossible. Radical islam is not a persuasive idiology. It conflicts on every level of American cultural tradition and, even if it didn't, it does not work as a social system. Radical Islam has not worked in any of the countries that adopted it. It fails to answer the question of justice, it fails to answer the question of allegiance, and it fails to answer the question of production. And it is this last one that makes an idiology relevant in today's world. Afterall, historically speaking the society with fighter jets tends to dominate the society with pointy sticks. So, like communism, radical islam is relegated to the ashbin of history. That some Americans and Europeans have decided to rebel against the current system and adopt radical islam is irrelevant. Or did the Oklahoma City Bombing convince you that the nation was going to fall to radical christianity or did Columbine convince you that the nation was going to fall at the hands of the trenchcoat mafia to goth subculture?"

I shall subscribe to this thought process

4/7/2009 2:48:28 PM

I think the general public would resist this, unless their numbers got to be insanely high but I dont see that happening in the near future

4/7/2009 4:26:59 PM

I watched the video in the link.

The threat posed by attacks from radical Muslims inside the country is something of which I'm aware. It gets worse in parts of Europe. But as a threat to the fundamentals of Western civilization, I'm still not seeing it.

Worst-case scenario, homegrown terrorism leads to widespread distrust of the Muslim community followed by restrictions of civil liberties targeted at the same. As the threat wanes, we start to feel really bad about it, restore the liberties, and pay a bunch of people a lot of money. Essentially what happened in the 40's to Japanese Americans, although I don't see myself buying an Afghan car in my lifetime.

Along those lines...

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"the world is only set to become more dangerous and intolerant."

I think the growth of tolerance in much of the world has been remarkable. After Pearl Harbor we were tossing all sorts of people in camps. We demonized everybody from the Axis powers. FDR didn't give a speech saying, "Yesterday, December 7th, 1941, a date which shall live in infamy, the United States was suddenly and deliberately attacked by the Empire of Japan. But let's remember that most Japanese are good people. We're not at war with them. We're only at war with the radicals." And, though the civilian casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan are tragic, it bears mentioning that we didn't firebomb Kabul and nuke Tikrit.

Meanwhile, the Europeans have quit murdering their Jews and actually seem loathe to fight with anybody. In the West, tolerance seems to be on the up-and-up. There's been a hiccup in certain parts of the Muslim world, but hey, Turkey's gone from shooting all their Armenians to shooting just some of their Kurds. I hear Tunisia's been quite good on the Tolerance front. But most of the Muslim world is comprised of countries that gained their independence/national status relatively recently, and growing pains are to be expected. Given all the circumstances, it's hard for me to see the world on a clear downward trend into intolerance and hate.

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4/7/2009 7:19:33 PM

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"I don't feel like watching your video. But I guess it is scary. No. Our free society cannot be destroyed from the outside by Jihadism. The only way would be if most of us gave up on protecting freedom in the name of security, after-which we will have neither. Islam is not a threat to western society, it never can be unless we ourselves make it a threat by sacrificing western values in the name of waging war upon it."

So would you agree that doing nothing or not talking about it, is the best the thing to do? I don't think it is us waging war. They are waging war on us. Don't we have the right to protect ourselves?

And no our free society cannot be destroyed from the outside by Jihadism, but it can be destroyed from the inside, while everyone is sleeping.

In a recent article that I got from Act for America, they describe it as "being more sinister than the frontal assault strategy of Islamist organizations such as al Qaeda and Hamas," because, they are trying to boil us from the inside like a frog. Muslim leaders in this country that are planning to destroy our country from within by practicing patience and deception as a means of overcoming us while our power is greater than theirs. If you are interested in reading the article it is here:

http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/story/steve_foley/2009/04/09/fethullah_gulen_infiltrating_the_u_s_through_our_charter_schools

It is about Fethullah Gullen, a Turkish imam who now lives in the US. We gladly accepted him after he fled from Turkey after facing charges of undermining Turkey's secular government and attempting to set up a Sharia run, Islamic government. He oversees a WORLDWIDE network of businesses and SCHOOLS, foundations and media outlets. In the US, the FGC runs over 90 charter Public schools in at least 20 state. Right now they are observing the behavior of Tarek ibn Zayed Academy in Minnesota which is blatantly displaying Islamic qualities. Here is one of his quotes that best describe his motives.

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"You must move in the arteries of the system without anyone noticing your existence until you reach all the power centers … until the conditions are ripe, they [the followers] must continue like this. If they do something prematurely, the world will crush our heads, and Muslims will suffer everywhere, like in the tragedies in Algeria, like in 1982 [in] Syria … like in the yearly disasters and tragedies in Egypt. The time is not yet right. You must wait for the time when you are complete and conditions are ripe, until we can shoulder the entire world and carry it … You must wait until such time as you have gotten all the state power, until you have brought to your side all the power of the constitutional institutions in Turkey … Until that time, any step taken would be too early—like breaking an egg without waiting the full forty days for it to hatch. It would be like killing the chick inside. The work to be done is [in] confronting the world. Now, I have expressed my feelings and thoughts to you all—in confidence … trusting your loyalty and secrecy. I know that when you leave here—[just] as you discard your empty juice boxes, you must discard the thoughts and the feelings that I expressed here."

If you are interested, I suggest you join Act for America. http://actforamerica.com/

4/10/2009 6:21:38 PM

No, we can talk about whatever we feel like. This is an internet forum, longer conversations have been had over even more silly subjects. However, joining Act for America is more effort than this deserves. If these individuals commit crimes then the information you have can be used against them to prove motive. However, best I can see the individuals living in America that you are referring to have committed no crime and it is unclear that they intend to do so. If their sole intent is to talk and spread the ideals of radical islam through non-violent means then they should be left alone until law enforcement has probable cause that a crime is being committed.

Again, the reason I say this is because the ideas they are trying to spread will not spread. Radical islam is a failed idiology by modern standards. Radical islam is far less likely to conquer America than the many communists, trenchcoat mafia, pacifists, or radical christians waiting in the edges of subcultures.

4/10/2009 11:46:19 PM

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"but it can be destroyed from the inside, while everyone is sleeping."

No. No, it can't.

Radical Islam can attack America. It can kill many people. But the "destruction of free society?" It can't pull that off unless we let it.

Not that it matters. I'm talking to a goddamn mongoloid. I've been on this site long enough that I've argued with much more effective bigots than your dumb ass. I read through your hate site, and I read through your post. I could've stopped after I read this:

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"Right now they are observing the behavior of Tarek ibn Zayed Academy in Minnesota which is blatantly displaying Islamic qualities."

But I didn't. I kept reading all your shit, and it just went to prove me right.

America faces a terrible enemy, to be sure. But it's name isn't Islam. It's jignc1684.

Fortunately, the clock is running out on you.

4/11/2009 4:08:50 AM

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"Radical Islam can attack America. It can kill many people. But the "destruction of free society?" It can't pull that off unless we let it."

Thanks you just restated what I was saying. It will happen if we let it. But I disagree with you this is not a silly subject when you realize what people actually intend to do to this country. And I was being sarcastic when I said not talking about it is the best thing to do. I think talking about it is all we can do at this point until we find evidence that their organizations are supporting terrorism like CAIR had been doing or actually what they may be plotting or spreading through their ideology preaching in these schools.

And GrumpyGOP I know you've must have been here for a while, but what makes you call me a bigot? Oh yes America has a lot to fear from jignc1684, because he shows people what terrorists want to do in this country. OMG what are they gonna do with me because I'm stating the truth. The problem with a school like Tarek ibn Zayed Academy is that it is a PUBLIC SCHOOL educating students with the religious studies of a 7th century Ideology. They are receiving OUR TAX DOLLARS. I thought that there was supposed to be a separation of Church and State in America? If Christians were trying to do that people would be all over it.

This school is housed in the same building as a mosque and the Minnesota chapter of the Muslim American Society. It features a carpeted space for prayer and serves halal food in the cafeteria. All the students fast during Ramadan and they attend classes on the Qur’an and Sunnah, or Islamic tradition and law, after school. Done with OUR tax dollars. If some Christians were trying to set up a PUBLIC SCHOOL like that, the ACLU would be all over it. Maybe I made a mistake in saying that the school is blatantly Islamic, because of course here in America that is normal, I forgot to mention the fact that this is a PUBLIC SCHOOL in America. I think people like you are afraid to say anything against ISLAMOFASCISM because it's dangerous or you actually support it.

4/11/2009 11:11:11 AM

Being muslim does not grant them access to the public treasury. If we assume everything you have said is true then your course of action should be to lobby the legislature to stop funding schools that are not owned by the department of education. If they refuse then contact the voters in that area. Either way, such would be a local matter, what are you doing bringing it to our attention?

In the case of education, there are bigger problems than spreading Islam that we are trying to deal with. What is happening in Minesota is an experiment with charter schools, which I support completely. If the cost is a few children going Islamic then I'd gladly pay it to break up the government's education monopoly. This is not a violation of church and state because the tax dollars are not going to the school but to the students, whose parents just happen to have chosen a religious school. Go start your own christian school, or school of Satan Worship, I will similarly defend your school's right to charter status.

To state again, what someone wants to do to the country is irrelevant. They will fail no matter how many mosque/schools they build, because the only parents that will send their children there are already islamic. As such, their only hope to reform the country along islamic lines is to breed us out, which is unlikely given the reproductive tendencies of our latino catholics.

4/11/2009 1:10:30 PM

Yeah, that's good. I just think it's strange that the same guy that was deported from Turkey for plotting to overthrow the government is actually living in America. And he is actually sponsoring 90 public charter schools in the US that are religious in nature particularly to Islam. I think it's good to question his actual motives, especially when he has spoken about moving "into the arteries of the system without anyone noticing your existence until you reach all the power centers." I think that is somewhat alarming. Not to say that it will happen, but it's always good to pay attention.

4/11/2009 8:38:20 PM

And I do not think it is good to question his motives. He does not hold any public office. Therefore, the only motive anyone cares about is legality. And there, the only people that should care is law enforcement; you, me, and his neighbors should grant him the same presumption of peace that we give each other. There is nothing about him being islamic that makes his desire for power alarming. We would all like power, afterall. And it is only natural for no one to notice you until you attain it, such as a city council election. This country is filled with ambitious people, and that is the point: whatever ambition the muslims bring to the table will be counteracted by the ambition of everyone else eager to tell their neighbors how to live.

4/12/2009 2:12:40 AM

^ ok, but don't you think that if you actually explicitly say this:

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"moving "into the arteries of the system without anyone noticing your existence until you reach all the power centers.""

then you must have sinister motives/goals, or motives/goals which are very different from the motives of the countless "ambitious people" in the country?

if your goal is like any other ambitious person's (generally speaking), you wouldn't make a statement like that. you only say something like that if you want to take over, subjugate, defeat (not defeat as in defeat in elections), etc.

do you at least agree with that? (whether he has sinister goals or not is another issue)

4/12/2009 7:33:02 AM

I think you misunderstand why people seek power. The vast majority of people seek power for its own ends. (I don't want to be president because I'd be good for the country, but because gosh darn it I want to be President!)

As such, anyone seeking power is the enemy of everyone else seeking power and therefore will use whatever power they have to keep others from power. Therefore, since it is easier to push down than it is to pull yourself up, everyone that gained real political power did so by moving "into the arteries of the system without anyone noticing your existence until you reach all the power centers."

Turning to motive, why would you assume that "subjugating the American people to my ends" is not the goal of most seeking power today in America? Do you think George Bush would have truely objected if his voice had been the only one that mattered? Do you think Obama enjoys cowtowing to the multitude of power centers in America?

But again, this is all beside the point. The American political system like all political systems only operates at the willfull acceptance of the populace. (Sadam Hussain was dictator because the Iraqi people accepted him as a dictator). The radical islamist in question would get no where with American citizens. The police would refuse to enforce his laws, the courts would strike his laws down, the people would marginalize him, other politicians would wreck him for their own ends (he would be their crusade with the public). Whatever his goals and whatever tools his has at his disposal a radical islamic America will not be the outcome for all the reasons I have stated in this thread which you have not bothered to counter beyond "but he means to do it!" So what, someone I met in college sought to make himself nazi dictator of the whole world, should you worry?

[Edited on April 12, 2009 at 11:17 AM. Reason : .,.]

4/12/2009 11:06:03 AM

0EPII1 doesn't come from here, so he is not used to how our systems work. That's why he thinks they can snap their fingers and suddenly take over, and that's why he is naturally inclined to crack down on basic freedoms.

[Edited on April 12, 2009 at 12:57 PM. Reason : .]

4/12/2009 12:56:30 PM

That's pretty much the same kind of hype video you'll find against Scientology, Communism, etc. It's just one guy with an opinion.

OMG, one master document that will step-by-step show how to destroy america!!11

I loved the part where it would zoom around to different sentences in the document that said controversial things.

4/12/2009 1:49:28 PM

^^^ I agree with you that it would be almost impossible for a radical Muslim who wants to impose Shariah on the US to succeed. But it can happen... not now, but maybe a couple of centuries later.

^^ I clearly said they can snap their fingers and take over. Pls. And yes, I know exactly how democracy works, and the institutions within it, including law enforcement, courts, etc. And that's one of the reasons everybody should be concerned, even though it might take a couple of centuries or more to take over; they already have Shariah courts in a few European countries. Yes, I know there are differences between Europe and the US, but the basic principles of democracy are the same there and here. If it can happen there, it can happen here. Shariah courts first, what second, and third, etc? And yeah, I want to crack down on basic freedoms... You obviously don't fucking know anything about me, in that case. I also force my British Caucasian wife to have sex with me every four days (as per the new Afghani Law), never let her leave the house, and I have already chosen a husband for my 5 week old daughter.


I think we can lay this thread to rest now... everybody has given their opinions, and the dialogue -- if there ever was one -- has stagnated.



[Edited on April 12, 2009 at 8:09 PM. Reason : ]

4/12/2009 8:07:24 PM

Then the discussion turns to why you are concerned with what might happen centuries from now? As I have said, radical islam is what we call a subculture, it will not dominate, not even centuries from now, thanks to the reproductive nature of our latino catholic population. You have presented nothing to suggest that their efforts at conversion of non-muslims is working any better than the conversion to hinduism or scientology. But, for the sake of discussion, let us stipulate to that.

Now, is that a bad thing? Is the presence of Sharia courts in Europe really so appalling that people seeking their use should be prevented? It is a tennent of democracy that the majority gets to set policy, and if the majority of Americans choose to impliment Sharia wholesale a few centuries from now, who are we to complain? We will all be dead by then, so you cannot argue that it harms your sensibilities. And you cannot argue that it will harm your great grandchildren's sensibilities, since we have stipulated that by then they will probably be pro-Sharia muslims.

So, what is your objection? Yes, as I explained earlier such a society would be poorer in every respect, but is it not their right to choose poverty? Who are you to impose your will upon a future people by attempting to silence the messenger?

From a pragmatic perspective, as their message is in every way a poor substitute for western culture, then attempting to suppress their message will grant them both credibility and stature among the American populace. Afterall, nothing discredits a bankrupt philosophy more than its implimentation.

4/13/2009 12:38:22 AM

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"Thanks you just restated what I was saying. It will happen if we let it."

Sorry, let me clarify, I didn't mean it in the idiotic sense of, "If we don't put a stop to this soon we'll all be under Sharia!" I meant it in the sense of, "If we let ourselves become panicked and scared enough to curtail civil liberties and start harassing the Muslim population."

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"And GrumpyGOP I know you've must have been here for a while, but what makes you call me a bigot?"

"Blatantly displaying Islamic qualities," specifically used in such a strongly negative manner. That did most of the work. You suggesting that we join an organization like Act for America didn't help. I checked out the "petitions" page. It has one petition against "hatred and intolerance being fomented against our human right of freedom of expression." This one is just a couple down from another demanding that Congress restrict the right to freedom of expression by investigating written material handed out at religious meetings in the US.

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"And that's one of the reasons everybody should be concerned"

We are concerned about anything criminal that they may take place. Crimes should be punished, and the allocation of public money should be scrutinized. But we can't get concerned about much else without restricting freedoms in some way or another.

4/13/2009 2:52:19 AM

^ , ^^ Fully agreed!


[Edited on April 13, 2009 at 4:16 AM. Reason : ]

4/13/2009 4:14:18 AM