I was reading the MJ memorial thread and some users said his daughter came on to the stage, and so I typed this response up there, but then I realized this is a separate -- but relevant -- discussion which should go in its own thread. So, here it is:


MJ didn't have a daughter. He was raising a girl (and her brother). The 3rd child is his, or so he claims. For other people's kids to be called his is just a travesty of human decency and justice.

Anyway, semantics aside those kids are better off without that cruel monster. The monster who gave them a terrible life full of money, posessions, mansions, disgustingly extravagant shopping trips, maids/servants, etc, but no friends, no formal schooling, no normal life, NO MOTHER(s). But he gave them pets, though

He was doing the same to them that was done to him. His father denied him school and friends, and he was doing it to his child and the other 2 children he was 'raising'. And he was putting masks/HOODS over their faces/heads just like he did to himself to hide his hideous lab-created face, which used to be a cute black face with natural features.

The girl and her brother were abandoned by their mother (she took 4 MILLION POUNDS in exchange) and they don't know who their father is, no one knows. The youngest one, he doesn't know who his mother is, no one knows, and MJ claims he was the father. It is an injustice to those children that they either don't know who their parents are, or that they have never and will never meet them, even though they are all alive. It goes beyond all norms of human fairness and justice, and the inherent rights of children.

Just imagine yourselves in their shoes. You are born and raised by some guy who you think is your father. He dies from massive drug abuse when you are 12, and you find out that he wasn't your father, and that your mother took $8 million in return for leaving you forever with your 'father'. Now what? How will you feel now? Your mother sold you. Your 'father' who claimed to be your father is dead. What kind of feelings will be going through your head... I dare not even imagine. But then again, he might have fucked them up beyond repair as well, so that they don't see anything wrong with how they have been raised so far.

That's just a sick fucked up psycho mad doctor cruel lab experiment frankenstein scenario.

Hey, let's create these 3 kids but never let them have their own mothers/fathers, or friends, or school, or a normal life. And let's put masks on their faces when they go out, just like their "father". Let's see how fucked up they turn out to be... more fucked up or less than MJ... let's bet!

OH NOES... YOU CAN'T SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT HIM... HE GAVE BILLIONS TO AFRICA... HE CREATED GREAT MUSIC... HE COULD DO THE MOONWALK... HE BROUGHT BLACKS AND WHITES TOGETHER... HE WAS BLACK AND YOU CAN NEVER SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT BLACKS... HE WAS... HE DID...

Good riddance.

P.S. I don't know how much percentage, but a big chunk of the blame goes to his parents, and especially his father, for fucking him up beyond repair, which in turn led to him fucking up the lives of his 3 for-fun lab creations. 2 of them weren't even his creations... they were created by others and given to him to fuck up and toy with

P.P.S. I just hope they can lead normal lives now, and aren't fucked up more by MJ's parents. I hope they can go to school, have friends, play in public parks (MJ confessed to crying upon seeing kids playing in parks on his way to the recording studio as a child), and not have to hide their faces

P.P.P.S. I do feel a bit of sympathy for him, as he was a very unhappy child-like regressive tormented soul. He was fucked up in the head (his father's fault), and led an unhappy life, according to some of his own interviews, and according to the closest of his celeb friends. I would feel a lot of sympathy for somebody in his situation, but not in this case, as he was fucking up the lives of 3 children as well.

7/8/2009 5:11:43 AM

MOTHER FUCKIN WORDS IN THIS MOTHER FUCKIN THREAD

7/8/2009 5:14:44 AM

WERD


[Edited on July 8, 2009 at 5:30 AM. Reason : Countdown till someone calls me racist because I criticized a famous black(???) person]

7/8/2009 5:24:08 AM

I'll take.. The Rapist for 200.

That's Therapist and the answer is...

7/8/2009 5:25:25 AM

^^Way to be a judgemental fuck. No one said the dude is perfect.

But you put so much inference, and complete guesswork in your rant, it's fucking sad.

Cruel Monster? Until his kids are at an age when they can tell the public how they were raised, you have no fucking clue how he treated his children. Raising a child makes you a father, biological or otherwise.

Millions of kids are raised with a single parent, due to a multitude of circumstances, and have wonderful lives full of love and happiness. You have no idea if or how he treated those kids, because the only shit to go on is gossip magazines, which rarely have a clue either.

The dude had a skin disease, and a series of botched plastic surgeries on his nose.

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"Just imagine yourselves in their shoes."

If I had a choice between being raised by Michael Jackson, or being put into the US foster care system (or worse, be one of the millions of orphans in Africa, China, or a number of 3rd world countries) I would go be running like white lightning to the neverland ranch.

Get off your holier than thou, completely non-sensical perch. I'll be if he liked roid-pumped shemen, you would have been all over his nuts.

7/8/2009 5:41:47 AM

omg did you see the bizarre way his family behaved around his kids when they had the mic? that shit creeped me right out

[Edited on July 8, 2009 at 5:54 AM. Reason : e]

7/8/2009 5:47:21 AM

nope, I just watched it for the musical performances.

I liked the guy's music, appreciated his charitable deeds, but everything about the Jackson family freaks me the fuck out

7/8/2009 5:50:27 AM

picture the entire remaining jackson family huddled as close as possible to this little white girl, all of them wearing $2000 sunglasses in a closed arena, mugging for the camera and akward moments where everyone tries to "comfort" her at once. Janet won most of these exchanges with her good side toward the cameras. its like they survive by attention through osmosis

7/8/2009 6:05:51 AM

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"Cruel Monster? Until his kids are at an age when they can tell the public how they were raised, you have no fucking clue how he treated his children."

I didn't say he beat or raped his kids, or that he didn't love them. I said he didn't let them go to school or have friends. This is confirmed. And not letting your kids go to school, have friends, or have a normal child-like life, IS cruel.

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"Millions of kids are raised with a single parent, due to a multitude of circumstances, and have wonderful lives full of love and happiness."

Like paying the mother $8 million to GTFO, right?

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"If I had a choice between being raised by Michael Jackson, or being put into the US foster care system (or worse, be one of the millions of orphans in Africa, China, or a number of 3rd world countries) I would go be running like white lightning to the neverland ranch."

Well thank God legal decisions are not left to kids, as kids don't have any logic. You would drive your LOTUS to the Neverland Ranch only because you would know that you would get all the toys and pets you ever wanted and have your personal amusement park, not because you would be loved or looked after any more than by a normal foster family.

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"Get off your holier than thou, completely non-sensical perch. I'll be if he liked roid-pumped shemen, you would have been all over his nuts."

*sigh*

(and I doubt he had nuts... he never had sex with his nurse-wife)

7/8/2009 6:09:55 AM

Why did Michael Jackon go to Wal-Mart on Black Friday...

Because he heard that boy's pants were half off!

7/8/2009 6:16:03 AM

I fully agree Trap

7/8/2009 6:16:40 AM

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"Noen: appreciate people for the good they did, the talent they had. and don't forget the shitty things the did either."

The bolded part is what this thread is for, specifically about him locking up 'his' kids in his mansions, hooding them in public, denying them school and friends, and denying them their mothers.

But of course, we can't say those things, because he gave billions to charity. Yes, I appreciate his charity and other good deeds. But at same time, I am not blinded by his superstar status.

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"Noen: seriously. selective moralism is fucking retarded."

As is celebrity worship and being blinded/deluded/fucked up so much by someone's celeb status that you can't see their grave wrongs, or see them but chastise and insult people for bringing them up.



I leave y'all for now with pictures of an oppressed Muslim woman in Bahrain:







(I am sure her kids will turn out 'normal'!... [I hope they do]... poor kid in the pic )


P.S.

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"because the only shit to go on is gossip magazines, which rarely have a clue either. The dude had a skin disease, and a series of botched plastic surgeries on his nose. "

But Noen has a clue!!!

(Only because MJ came into his bed at night and Noen let him touch his naughty bits in exchange for exclsuive info on MJ's life!!! )

It must be true because he said it to the world!!! (WTF else would you say to stay popular and have billions of fans IF disease was NOT the real reason?) I surely don't know which way it is, and I am not too concerned about it. I care about the fact that he is forcing it on 'his' children. (hiding their faces from the world)


[Edited on July 8, 2009 at 6:51 AM. Reason : ]

7/8/2009 6:35:54 AM

Should have smacked him in the nuts... you know to show that it's all good

or better yet, help make a real man out of him with the ritual ass fucking.

7/8/2009 6:38:41 AM

haha PWNED

all you people who even pretend to support that faggot are guilty of celebrity worship. if hitler had sung falsetto and worn a white glove would you have been crying like a bitch at his funeral?

7/8/2009 7:24:21 AM

...if he had sung Thriller?

7/8/2009 7:31:27 AM

You realize the whole point of hiding their faces whenever they were with him was so that they could have friends, right?

The idea supposedly being that if no one ever saw their faces when with him, they wouldn't be able to put two and two together that they were his kids when he wasn't with them.

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"if hitler had sung falsetto and worn a white glove would you have been crying like a bitch at his funeral?"

You're right, ace. On the scale of 1-to-Evil, Hilter and a man who was found not guilty of child molestation are neck and neck.

[Edited on July 8, 2009 at 8:11 AM. Reason : .]

7/8/2009 8:09:45 AM

i think it's time the news laid off covering his death. it's not like he was anywhere near the caliber person Princess Diana was or anything.

7/8/2009 9:58:54 AM

Mostly to repeat what has been pointed out and apparently needs to be repeated since you didn't get it.

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"And he was putting masks/HOODS over their faces/heads just like he did to himself to hide his hideous lab-created face, which used to be a cute black face with natural features."

How about this idea: he hid them and himself from public (meaning you) because he was fucking michael jackson and didn't have a private life for 45 years and maybe, JUST MAYBE, wanted his children to have a semblance of a normal childhood and protect them. He knows the dangers of being thrown in the public eye first hand your whole childhood (look how he turned out) and he didn't want that for his children. Unfortunately it meant spending most of their life hidden and when they did go in public, masked.

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"He was doing the same to them that was done to him. His father denied him school and friends, and he was doing it to his child and the other 2 children he was 'raising'."

MJ's father abused him and worked him to death for his own gain, thats why MJ didn't have a childhood. Not so he'd be protected him from the crazy media and public.

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"It is an injustice to those children that they either don't know who their parents are, or that they have never and will never meet them, even though they are all alive. It goes beyond all norms of human fairness and justice, and the inherent rights of children."

Dude there are lots of adopted/abandoned/surrogate children who have no idea who their parents are and they are perfectly normal. Quit being so melodramatic. "inherent rights of childern"....give me a fucking break. Why not throw some blame on the woman who first "I offered her womb...it was a gift." so that he could have children, but then wanted money to relinquish her parental rights. The woman who admitted she was "never cut out to be a mother" and "I was no good. I don't want these children in my life. My children are my animals now." I say better to be raised by someone who does love you and want you than someone like that. Its not hard to imagine she possibly only "offered" her womb just because she knew she could get some money out of it. But MJ is the monster right?

The sad thing is you understand the reasons why he might have raised his kids they way he did, yet you still throw in a bunch of stupid conjecture like you know what the fuck you're talking about. Are you an expert in child rearing and psychology? Do you have first hand account of the way he treated his kids in private and what things he provided them?

DO YOU ACTUALLY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT THE FUCK IS SPEWING OUT OF YOUR MOUTH....I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY NO....SO IN THAT REGARD I'D SUGGEST YOU NOT JUDGE...

p.s. - I'm not even arguing as a fan like MJ is infallible, because I honestly don't know what his private life was like, I'm just playing devils advocate and pointing flaws in your stupid logic

7/8/2009 10:03:18 AM

why was another thread made for this shit?

[Edited on July 8, 2009 at 10:04 AM. Reason : V lol exactly]

7/8/2009 10:04:24 AM

I GUESS YOU MISSED THAT WHOLE PUBLIC WARNING THREAD ABOUT MJ THREADS?

7/8/2009 10:04:28 AM

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"You realize the whole point of hiding their faces whenever they were with him was so that they could have friends, right? The idea supposedly being that if no one ever saw their faces when with him, they wouldn't be able to put two and two together that they were his kids when he wasn't with them."

What a dumbfuck.

7/8/2009 10:04:39 AM

*sniff* *sniff* hahaha oh shit son, smells like the BAN HAMMER!!!!

7/8/2009 10:05:24 AM

SUSPENSIONS FOR MAKING MJ THREADS ARE EMINENT NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!

7/8/2009 10:06:52 AM

That might have been the dumbest rant I've read all year. How do you write such a long rant with only "facts" from Star Magazine and other unsubstantial speculation?

7/8/2009 10:08:21 AM

^^casummer got suspended for a day or two for making one

7/8/2009 10:12:55 AM

even better, how do you all get lured into this mess.

Ask him about Amazonian and African tribes, he's got stories about butt-fucking with them.

7/8/2009 10:13:16 AM

careful now... you say bad things about MJ, you're a racist.

7/8/2009 10:14:11 AM

my granny still thinks he bleached his skin

like, straight up just scrubbed down w/ clorox a few times a day

i shit you not

7/8/2009 10:18:07 AM

m not reading this, and who cares.

7/8/2009 10:18:54 AM

0EPII1 is just another loud mouth douche bag who pulls facts out of his asshole, just to make a cute little story and or rant on the interweb.

Sure he has this on his myspace page as well.

7/8/2009 10:36:20 AM

The man wrote Thriller.

7/8/2009 11:19:18 AM

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"I liked the guy's music, appreciated his charitable deeds, but everything about the Jackson family freaks me the fuck out "

if janet jackson creeps you out youre a faggot

7/8/2009 11:21:04 AM

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"all you people who even pretend to support that faggot are guilty of celebrity worship. if hitler had sung falsetto and worn a white glove would you have been crying like a bitch at his funeral? "

Godwinn's law ITT

7/8/2009 11:23:08 AM

I could careless if MJ died. i have no sympathy for child molesters..

7/8/2009 11:24:32 AM

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"I could careless"

Yes, you could careless....

You ARE careless...

7/8/2009 11:25:56 AM

I was a big fan of the Jackson 5 / Off The Wall Michael Jackson

But MJ over the last 15 years or so was just a weirdo...granted a lot of it is his father's fault...but he's still a weirdo

7/8/2009 11:27:31 AM

Well i like that eastern NC style Michael Jackson...

7/8/2009 11:28:24 AM

GOT DAT 90% JACKO

7/8/2009 11:29:23 AM

JUST POPPING IN TO ADD ANOTHER REMINDER THAT THE DUDE WAS ACQUITTED OF ALL ABUSE CHARGES

THANKS

7/8/2009 11:29:46 AM

ok...so i was talking to my friend who is from and lives in Oman about adopting. So, in Muslim culture it is acceptable to take an orphan in your home and raise them but adoption is never an option. Giving your name to someone and becoming their "parents" is wrong. So, maybe being brought up around or in that culture, OEPII1 is speaking from what he knows. That is all I can think of. I am aware that OEPII1 is very American now but what he was brought up around is still prevalent in his speech.

Devil's advocate.

With that said, I believe in adopting and becoming some kid's mommy that is not from my own womb.

7/8/2009 11:41:35 AM

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"The girl and her brother were abandoned by their mother (she took 4 MILLION POUNDS in exchange)"

She wants them back now. So does she have to give back the money?

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"So, in Muslim culture it is acceptable to take an orphan in your home and raise them but adoption is never an option."

and that makes them barbarians. j/k i dunno if the info is factual, but if it is, yes.

[Edited on July 8, 2009 at 11:55 AM. Reason : ehq]

7/8/2009 11:54:40 AM

I have respect for MJ because he didn't whore his kids out to get the cover of People the second they were born like most celebutards these days. His kids didn't have their pics splashed all over the tabloids and blogs to get him publicity. It's a little odd that they had to wear masks and scarves to have privacy, but these children were stalked like animals anytime they were in public.

7/8/2009 12:06:33 PM

EEEEEEEEEEEE HEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

7/8/2009 12:11:53 PM

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"I could careless if MJ died. i have no sympathy for child molesters.. "

So he must have done some serious jailtime, correct?

7/8/2009 12:16:59 PM

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" Wow today is Fathers day.and once again I am thinking about the Man who brought me here but loving cherishing and respecting the hell out of the Man who got me here.Any man can have a son but only a real man can raise some one else's and I call that real man Father."

Repost from a friend's facebook status awhile back

7/8/2009 12:27:53 PM

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"So he must have done some serious jailtime, correct?"

i have done some serious speeding, but i have not done any serious driving rehabilitation.


obvioiusly guilt (as in you actually did it, not courtroom definition) is defined by whether or not you were convicted by a jury of your peers or in a civil courtroom.

[Edited on July 8, 2009 at 12:30 PM. Reason : sarcasm injection for those of you without: degrees, jobs, lifes, girlfriends, okay all of you]

7/8/2009 12:28:33 PM

^no but giving away $20 million to settle with an accuser doesn't exactly scream not guilty

7/8/2009 12:28:38 PM

^ his insurance company did that, had nothing to do with his guilt or innocence

7/8/2009 12:31:00 PM

so if you're "guilty" of running a red light but get sued for injuries, who exactly is getting sued and pays? you or your insurance company?


ktx

[Edited on July 8, 2009 at 12:33 PM. Reason : .]

7/8/2009 12:33:11 PM

so you are saying that if some kid accused you of molesting them you would rather just have them paid off and be labeled a child molester rather than fight to clear your name??

I'm not saying that whether he is guilty or not, but i'd say about 99% of the time when a settlement is involved it's b/c the party is guilty

7/8/2009 12:34:14 PM