is it possible to apply and get accepted to the fall MAB program if you applied like one month before it starts, like mid July. I got a person claiming this and am curious if hes full o shit

8/15/2009 4:01:27 PM

if that's true the state MBA program is even worse than i thought it was

8/15/2009 4:21:41 PM

It is State.

8/15/2009 4:27:17 PM

A Republican wanting to get an MBA, big surprise.

8/15/2009 4:30:29 PM

If he is a top notch candidate then I can see this happening. A former coworker of ours from VCU is smart as hell and applied to States MS/PHd EE program studying nano structures in late November (maybe early November) and got in and started in the Spring with a research job and the whole nine yards.

The guy knows and retained more electrical engineering knowledge from his undergrad degree than anyone else I know that did EE.

8/15/2009 4:37:09 PM

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"If he is a top notch candidate "

Why would he come to NC State? Why would he get an MBA?

8/15/2009 4:46:09 PM

Many reasons most likely related to the situation he is in.

Has a solid job in the triangle and doesn't want to commute to Chapel Hill (another coworker did this and looked like hell for 2 years).

Cheaper.

Only needs to bolster the knowledge he already has.


You go to Chapel Hill or WFU when you're really trying to pursue an executive track at some larger institution. These are better programs, but the ROI isn't good unless you're one of the elite.

My college roommate is 29, got his combined MBA/BS degree when NCSU first offered it and is making six figures at a damn textile company of all places. He's a sharp guy but without the MBA I doubt he would be in a capital equipment/supplies purchasing position determining the fate of million dollar pieces of equipment and supplies.

8/15/2009 4:52:22 PM

State didn't even change the title of the degree at issue to MBA until 2002:

NC State Changes Management Degree from MSM to MBA

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"North Carolina State University will begin awarding a Master of Business Administration (MBA) degree in May as it changes the name of its Master of Science in Management (MSM) degree to the MBA. The degree name change was approved April 5 by the University of North Carolina Office of the President. The name change reflects current trends in business education and meets the demands of the marketplace's constituents, including students, alumni and corporate recruiters. The content and focus of the professional master's degree will not change. The NC State MBA program will continue to specialize in the management of technology and management disciplines that relate to the university's strengths in science, technology and engineering."

http://www.ncsu.edu/news/press_releases/02_04/102.htm

It took College of Management officials all those years to figure out the value of the MBA title, so they can't be very business savvy.

8/15/2009 5:53:49 PM

I think a Master of Science Management at an engineering institution made a lot of sense. They couldn't have known the title wouldn't catch on in the industry until it was obvious that it wasn't catching on.

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"Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Northwestern University, Carnegie-Mellon University and Purdue University have all changed the name of their premier master's degree programs in business."

Boy, what the hell we're we thinking, trying to be like some of the premier technical research institutions in the country.

[Edited on August 15, 2009 at 5:59 PM. Reason : .]

8/15/2009 5:58:01 PM

^ Dude, is there any forum that you won't troll? Any institution--including "premier" institutions--that didn't understand the value of the MBA title should be ashamed of itself for not doing basic market research that is taught in any business program worth its salt. Period.

State admitted as much in the very report that I posted:

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"The name change reflects current trends in business education and meets the demands of the marketplace's constituents, including students, alumni and corporate recruiters."

I won't debate this with you any further. WTF do you know about business or grad school anyway? A.: Nothing.

PS: STFU.

8/15/2009 6:11:52 PM

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"Dude, is there any forum that you won't troll?"

Look, stop being paranoid old man and just admit when someone else has value to add to the discussion.

What part of current trends don't you understand?

Before I even ready your link I stated this, which is what my buddy that has his MBA told me (he started as an MSM)

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"They couldn't have known the title wouldn't catch on in the industry until it was obvious that it wasn't catching on"

They obviously did do market research and found out that it wasn't working out and changed it. Everyone and their brother weren't holding MBAs in the early/mid 90s and I can certainly see the logic in engineering institutions wanting to someone set themselves apart from business schools with degrees targeted at science.

The only real argument you could make is "what took so long". For that, I'd love to see you talk about how long MSM programs were around at other institutions and when they started switching them.

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"WTF do you know about business or grad school anyway? A.: Nothing"

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"Chance A_____ Tucker Major:Engineering Class:Graduate Student"

Any other questions?

8/15/2009 6:23:03 PM

not to mention that MSM and MBA programs are different in their focus

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"While MBA program focuses on the practical application of management theory, the M.Sc. in Management will provide for an advanced-level conceptual foundation in a student’s chosen field, and allow for the pursuit of highly focused research through a master’s level thesis.[16] The MSc in Management degree studies the academic discipline of management, while the MBA degree studies the academic discipline of Business Administration. Thus, the MSc degree focus on research in a specialized area , while the MBA degree would place more emphasis on strategy. The MSc in Management is an academic degree with no requirements for previous job experience, while the MBA is a professional degree for persons with minimum 2-3 years job experience. The MSc degree is more theory-oriented, while the MBA degree is more practice-oriented. While this in some sense means that the MSc degree prepares students for entry into the academia and the MBA prepares them for managerial positions in the industry, in reality both degrees contain strong professional focus and are both very well suited for students wishing to gain positions in the industry. Likewise, the MBA degree is based on established academic theory, and could be the basis for a career in the academia. The MSc in Management degree is best suited for new graduates holders of a Bachelor's degree in any discipline with no work experience, while the MBA degree is best suited for graduates with some work experience, preferably in supervision or management."

wikipedia

8/15/2009 6:36:02 PM

why he didn't post this here i don't know:

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""Not to mention" what you posted isn't the case at State: Quote : "The content and focus of the professional master's degree will not change." http://www.ncsu.edu/news/press_releases/02_04/102.htm Nothing changed but the name, which should've been changed based on market research done years before it finally was. When is the best time to do market research of this type? Sooner--not later. I'm not coming back to the topic, so I thought you should know. "

-hooksaw

the point good sir is that State was changing the name in order that the name would reflect correctly the type of program that it was.

although it doesn't matter cause he's not coming back to this topic.


back to the topic at hand though. like Fail Boat said, most programs will make room as necessary for top candidates, especially if they are paying their own way.

[Edited on August 15, 2009 at 6:48 PM. Reason : attribution]

8/15/2009 6:48:06 PM

[Edited on August 15, 2009 at 6:49 PM. Reason : ^ Thank you.]

8/15/2009 6:48:49 PM

i always explain my MSM to people as "MBA lite" because of the previous quote you have there. im still happy i have it and it opened quite a few doors.

8/15/2009 6:49:22 PM

i thought you weren't coming back?

make a new thread if you want to argue with me about this point

8/15/2009 6:50:39 PM

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"When is the best time to do market research of this type? Sooner--not later"

Rofl, you still haven't shown that they did market research too late. They could have done it in 2001 and there wasn't an obvious reason to change it...yet, then done research again in 2002 and decided that there was a monumental shift in one year.

The fact that NCSU was in the same situation as some of the best engineering institutions in the world is enough to show that they weren't very late to the game at all in changing the title.

But please, feel free to keep just saying they were late without any real facts to support your argument. Is that what the Liberal Studies MS guys learn? Do you stop and think to yourself...what the fuck am I arguing here? Are you so pigheaded that once you make a statement, if it gets challenged, no matter how banal the subject matter, it's a fight to the death to defend the honor of your statement? Are you really this sad?

[Edited on August 15, 2009 at 6:58 PM. Reason : .]

8/15/2009 6:57:04 PM

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

8/15/2009 7:32:18 PM

I applied to the master's economics program for ncsu in july and was accepted at the end of the month i believe?

so im guessing its possible, no promises though

8/16/2009 11:06:27 PM

hooksaw's article is dated from April 5, 2002. Seven years ago. Too much changes in seven years for it to really be significant.

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-business-schools/rankings

and a bit more dated

http://www.mgt.ncsu.edu/news/2006/ranking_usnewsMBA.php

Per the poster's original post, anything is possible, though high unlikely / improbable. You'd need to take the GMAT, get your recommendations in order, pay tuition/fees, etc. etc. within a VERY short period of time. Again, not impossible, but, not likely.

So far as which program to choose, it's really up to your long-term career and life goals. Some folks are perfectly fine with a public university with a strong program. Others want the Wharton, Darden, Fuqua, etc. Ivy League type programs. Your choice ultimately, depending on what name brand you want on your resume.

[Edited on August 17, 2009 at 8:23 AM. Reason : .]

8/17/2009 8:15:58 AM

^Looking at those link, I'm glad I don't have to pay those prices for school.

8/17/2009 9:03:49 AM