Cotdam.

2/3/2010 12:53:19 PM

NASA is for fucking retards anyways.



(i'm just saying what most ppl think, i don't agree with it though)

2/3/2010 12:54:17 PM

that was my favorite constellation

2/3/2010 12:55:34 PM

I remember reading about the Orion project when I was like 7

[Edited on February 3, 2010 at 12:56 PM. Reason : who wants socialized space travel anyways]

2/3/2010 12:55:37 PM

Yeah...
Well...

About 700 "coworkers" will be without jerbs soon

2/3/2010 12:57:19 PM

At least we can still spend $750,000,000,000 on keeping America safe.

2/3/2010 12:59:09 PM

My 2c is that Obama has been a presidential disaster thus far; and I hope he doesn't get another 4 - and I'd also like the upcoming elections to be crushing victories for any party other than Dems. Go Go Green! Or Republican! Or Indy! FREAKING ANYONE ELSE.

2/3/2010 1:00:05 PM

Goodnight sweet prince.

2/3/2010 1:00:31 PM

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"About 700 "coworkers" will be without jerbs soon"

Good...maybe now they can do something productive.

2/3/2010 1:01:14 PM

lawl

2/3/2010 1:04:10 PM

Like make $150,000,000 useless Cold-war era F22 Raptors.

2/3/2010 1:04:18 PM

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"My 2c is that Obama has been a presidential disaster thus far; and I hope he doesn't get another 4 - and I'd also like the upcoming elections to be crushing victories for any party other than Dems. Go Go Green! Or Republican! Or Indy! FREAKING ANYONE ELSE."

Are you joking? lol. Have we all forgotten what hell the last 8 years have created? Good luck to anyone who took office after that, regardless if its Obama or not. He might not have done much but he certainly hasn't flushed America down the tubes and profited from it.

2/3/2010 1:04:44 PM

FUck you obama - the future is in space.

2/3/2010 1:05:01 PM

Honestly I think we will get farther with space exploration if it moves to privately funded anyway...

2/3/2010 1:06:44 PM

im tired of the obama camp blaming everything on bush

WELL AT LEAST IT'S NOT BUSH

IT'S ALL BUSH'S FAULT

old scapegoat is old

2/3/2010 1:06:48 PM

I mean, we could have McCain and Palin in the office right now. I'm sure by now we'd be purchasing slaves.

2/3/2010 1:07:11 PM

why would you even say that

2/3/2010 1:07:41 PM

^ Obama loves space more than you do:

http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/02/nasa-reboots-focuses-on-cheaper-sustainable-exploration.ars

You realize he's INCREASING NASA's overall budget?

2/3/2010 1:07:51 PM

Obviously, with those two fools, America would regress, BIG TIME NUKKA.

2/3/2010 1:08:49 PM

Why does everyone say mccain and palin are racists just because they ran against a black president


that is the most annoying thing about this whole thing

2/3/2010 1:08:50 PM

the most annoying thing is the impressionable getting swayed up by rhetoric and turning into hardcore FUCK EVERYONE ELSE ILL FOLLOW BLINDLY AND TALK SHIT ABOUT ANYONE ONLY BC I WANNA FIT IN

2/3/2010 1:10:06 PM

I'm not saying they're racist, they just hate everything progressive. haha

FUCK THE GAYS IN MY ARMY.

2/3/2010 1:10:25 PM

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"Why does everyone say mccain and palin are racists just because they ran against a black president that is the most annoying thing about this whole thing "

All white people are racists....durrrr.

2/3/2010 1:10:27 PM

fitting.

2/3/2010 1:11:00 PM

Honestly who cares about any of that right now...what if's don't matter.

Anyway, NASA is really great at inventing things...not so great at doing the whole space thing...

Virgin Galactic already has a vehicle that can go suborbital and they are selling tickets for it already. By having the ability to use space commerically there will be a greater amount of money coming in (not from tax payers). They will also have the ability to engineer better without having the government up their ass...anyone who works in the government knows how ass backwards everything they do is.

2/3/2010 1:13:39 PM

anyone who works in the private sector knows how ass backwards it is

2/3/2010 1:14:57 PM

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HAHAHA - Good thing I'm on a public computer so I could see that

2/3/2010 1:15:04 PM

Well, this got off topic quickly. I bet by the time I get home tonight, the subject of the conversation will be the best kind of hand sanitizer

2/3/2010 1:15:20 PM

Or how many boners one can get in a day

2/3/2010 1:15:48 PM

depends on if you consider one boner an infinite number of boner occurrences

[Edited on February 3, 2010 at 1:16 PM. Reason : f]

2/3/2010 1:16:43 PM

Need to allow time for deflation and re-inflation.

2/3/2010 1:17:47 PM

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"Honestly I think we will get farther with space exploration if it moves to privately funded anyway..."

That's not what happened in the 60s. Never underestimate the efficiency of organized government labor.

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"Why does everyone say mccain and palin are racists just because they ran against a black president"

"Barack Hussein Obama"

"Terrorist"

"Muslim"

"... that one."

2/3/2010 1:17:53 PM

Pilgrimshoes, the entire procurement process is completely fucked.


And I'm not saying that just because I'm butthurt from LM losing Orion

2/3/2010 1:18:27 PM

that is his middle name

and i dont think mccain made any of those comments so....

2/3/2010 1:18:45 PM

But I think Obama did the right thing by pulling the plug. While I think that it would be great to be able to get a base up on the moon eventually, which will lead to us learning how to get to Mars and so on, I think that right now NASA is just way to far behind to get there....I mean they have been using the same space shuttle for 30 years....yeah it's a truck and it can haul a load...but seriously, look at all that can go wrong.
My dad was explaining to me that they are just now learning how to actually work the space shuttles...I mean seriously, 30 years and the NASA scientists are still learning how to use them?

[Edited on February 3, 2010 at 1:19 PM. Reason : ]

2/3/2010 1:19:10 PM

^^That's his middle name, which happens to share the name of many Muslims (OUR SWORN ENEMY!!!1) therefore, even though he decides he doesn't want to use that name, we're going to intentionally use it to bring up those feelings.

Don't be obtuse.

^There has been a lot more progress than that at NASA in the past 30 years.

[Edited on February 3, 2010 at 1:20 PM. Reason : ]

2/3/2010 1:19:48 PM

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"^ Obama loves space more than you do: http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/02/nasa-reboots-focuses-on-cheaper-sustainable-exploration.ars You realize he's INCREASING NASA's overall budget?"

cutting our only remaining heavy lift rocket is not the solution.....

2/3/2010 1:21:37 PM

What NASA needs to do in order to become productive again is to develop a vehicle that can be returned to space in a resonable amount of time.

2/3/2010 1:25:00 PM

They could do that...

...if they had the budget.

Research and development is expensive.

2/3/2010 1:25:27 PM

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"I remember reading about the Orion project when I was like 7"

that was something completely different.



and folks, what this means is that the united states, for the first time in ~50 years, will have NO vehicle to launch astronauts into space, and no plans to build one. Cutting this program is the biggest blow to NASA in the history of the agency.


and http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=587156

2/3/2010 1:25:43 PM

Yeah but private research and development would move much faster and cost americans a lot less money.

Have NASA "rent out" their launch deck.

2/3/2010 1:26:53 PM

sawahash, have you done any investigation or research about what the constellation program even is?


^seriously? there has been NO private company to EVER put a man even in low Earth orbit. Would you trust some private company with some glorified backyard model rocket to get humans to the ISS or beyond? you REALLY think this is going to be faster and safer than the engineering that has already been put into the Ares rockets? (almost 10 billion dollars of research i might add.)

[Edited on February 3, 2010 at 1:29 PM. Reason : ]

2/3/2010 1:27:18 PM

No, no it wouldn't.

There's no profit in going into space. No one cares. No one would even try.

We got there quickly in the 60s due to the government.

2/3/2010 1:27:52 PM

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"That's not what happened in the 60s. Never underestimate the efficiency of organized government labor."

The US government was racing the communists of the USSR. Sounds like competition to me.

2/3/2010 1:27:54 PM

See what I just posted. What's the competition in going into space? There's no money to be made.

2/3/2010 1:28:41 PM

I mean I know what it is...but honestly I think that the best route for us to take it to go private with space development for now.

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"What's the competition in going into space? "

You make it private you will then have several different groups trying to come up with the best thing and make it commerical.

[Edited on February 3, 2010 at 1:30 PM. Reason : ]

2/3/2010 1:29:10 PM

Well the existing shuttles were set to retire this year. That's how old they are. Orion would have been the new shuttle, and Ares the rocket... I thought.



This would have been developed in the private sector, and procured by NASA

[Edited on February 3, 2010 at 1:32 PM. Reason : L]

2/3/2010 1:29:50 PM

^^why? do yo know what private space development is going to be for the next 40 years? I would bet in the next 40 years, private space industry will not have made NEARLY the progress that NASA made in it's first 20.

Which means when all of us are dead and gone, the space program will still be stagnant.


^Ares/Orion/Constellation would have been everything the shuttle SHOULD have been, except for the whole landing horizontally and looking flashy part. Cheaper. Safer. Stronger.

[Edited on February 3, 2010 at 1:32 PM. Reason : ]

2/3/2010 1:31:28 PM

^^^ THERE'S NO COMMERCIAL BENEFIT TO GOING TO SPACE. THERE'S NOTHING THERE. IT'S... SPACE.

Why would a corporation be interested in innovation? The most cost-effective move is to postpone any investments as long as possible to get maximum return from the old infrastructure (that was usually paid for with tax dollars). Do private owned medecine manufacturers invest a lot into a cure for TBC, malaria, or HIV? Or would they rather bet on advertising boner pills, making up first world luxury diseases, milking UHC,...?

2/3/2010 1:32:42 PM

well, there IS commercial viability in space, however SIGNIFICANT hurdles need to be crossed first, such as getting a foothold on the moon, the ability to go to asteroids, and eventually mars. The private space industry as it is right now is over half a century away from any of these things.

2/3/2010 1:34:18 PM