http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35444158/ns/health-addictions/

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"Fake pot that acts real stymies law enforcement K2 made of obscure but easily accessible substance that isn't yet regulated JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. - There may be nothing like the real thing, but some industrious marijuana users have seized on an obscure but easily accessible substance that mimics the drug's effects on the brain —creating a popular trade in legal dope that has stymied law enforcement authorities. The users are buying a product known as K2 — or "Spice," Genie" and "Zohai" — that is commonly sold in headshops as incense. Produced in China and Korea, the mixture of herbs and spices is sprayed with a synthetic compound chemically similar to THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana. Users roll it up in joints or inhale it from pipes, just like the real thing. Though banned in most of Europe, K2's key ingredients are not regulated in the United States — a gap that has prompted lawmakers in Missouri and Kansas to consider new legislation. "This isn't Jerry Garcia's marijuana," said state Rep. Jeff Roorda, a Democrat from the eastern Missouri town of Barnhart. "They've used chemicals to avoid creating something that's already illegal." Authorities in Johnson County, Kan., discovered ex-convicts on probation smoking K2, and said it is spreading to high school students. "This has become extremely popular," said Linda Weber, owner of The Vise smoke shop in the St. Louis suburb of St. Peters, who said she only sells to adults. She said she sells about 60 packages a week, with suppliers calling her weekly to pitch new brands. She said she's keeping an eye on what state lawmakers decide, though, because "I definitely don't want to be selling it if it comes out that it's harmful." K2 costs between $20 and $50 for three grams — similar to the street price of marijuana — but with the key advantages of bring legal and undetectable in drug tests. The key ingredients are believed to be the unintended result of scientific research on marijuana's effects. Dr. John Huffman, a Clemson University organic chemistry professor, was researching the effects of cannabinoids on the brain when his work resulted in a 1995 paper that contained the method and ingredients used to make the compound. That recipe found its way to marijuana users, who replicated Huffman's work and began spraying it onto dried flowers, herbs and tobacco. "People who use it are idiots," said Huffman, referring to K2 smokers."

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2/19/2010 11:56:27 AM

does it have anything to do with:

?

2/19/2010 11:57:40 AM

im intrigued

2/19/2010 11:58:11 AM

omg marijuana addicts! have you seen those fuckers with their teeth falling out and dying and shit??

2/19/2010 11:58:17 AM

DOES IT RELIEVE PAIN? CAUSE I MIGHT TRY IT

2/19/2010 11:58:19 AM

sprayed with a chemical

2/19/2010 11:59:16 AM

Is this like salvia? Where i'll just get confused, and end up drooling on myself for 2 minutes?

2/19/2010 12:00:25 PM

fuck that!! i'd rather take may chances with the real thing.

2/19/2010 12:01:37 PM

THIS IS WHY MARIJUANA SHOULD BE LEGAL

2/19/2010 12:02:44 PM

Salvia is crazy shit.

2/19/2010 12:03:53 PM

what's funny as shit is law enforcement is all uptight over all of this...

2/19/2010 12:04:38 PM

just leave weed alone already

2/19/2010 12:31:20 PM

Kids will try to get fucked up on anything. We should just legalize pot because at least it's well documented and relatively harmless.

2/19/2010 12:53:53 PM

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"K2 Standard: contains a proprietary blend of herbs and extracts including: Canavalia rosea, Clematis vitalba, Nelumbo nucifera, Pedicularis grandifolia, Heimia salicifolia, Leonurus sibiricus and Ledum palustre. K2 Citron: Sparked with Calendula blossoms and natural citrus highlights for a sweet tropical aroma, it’s a pleasant, comfortable, satisfying smoke. K2 Blonde: Distinctive, full-bodied, and interesting. Not for use while operating cranes and dozers. K2 Summit: Rumors abound about the origins of this blend. One legen says Quetzalcoatl himself gave the recipe to his most trusted Shaman. Others say a Tibetan monk saw the recipe during meditation. Others say nobody knows who makes the blend, but it just appears on a mystical boulder near the top of K2 itself. Whatever the true story is, all we know is that it is a damned-impressive, yet extremely smooth blend sure to impress."

[Edited on February 19, 2010 at 12:57 PM. Reason : .]

2/19/2010 12:55:59 PM

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"Is this like salvia? Where i'll just get confused, and end up drooling on myself for 2 minutes?"

lmao

2/19/2010 12:56:04 PM

I'm really happy fo you, Imma let you finish, but POT is one of the best pot-like substances of ALL TIME.....

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2/19/2010 1:49:16 PM

you can't /rant OR /thread on a meme, n00b

2/19/2010 1:50:36 PM

ohhh called your ass OUT!

2/19/2010 1:56:10 PM

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"CALL OUT ASS"

2/19/2010 2:38:52 PM

we just had 3 guys in our squadron get busted for smoking spice. it might not be illegal at the state or federal level, but there's a USMC regulation against smoking it, so they got in trouble just the same.

2/19/2010 4:58:33 PM

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"North Carolina State University student Nick Flickinger thinks K2 and similar products should be outlawed. Fellow student Thomas Johnston says not so fast. “I think they need to study it more. I think they're jumping a little ahead of themselves just because they hear it creates a high,” Johnston said. State Rep. Nelson Dollar, R-Wake County, said he would like to ban it. “We particularly need to protect the young people who might take this drug and then go out and drive a car on our streets. This is not what we need,” Dollar said."

2/19/2010 4:59:22 PM

they do have a point in that theres nothing stopping a 10 year old from buying it, although if i ran a store that sold it i would make it a personal policy to not sell to anyone under 18

2/19/2010 5:00:21 PM

if it's fun then I'm sure the government will outlaw it soon

2/19/2010 5:02:24 PM

^ That's why you allow it to be sold in stores, while creating a law that makes it illegal to sell it to minors. There's nothing new in that arena.

2/19/2010 5:03:30 PM

I'm a K2head

2/19/2010 5:03:36 PM

anyone know if its at curious goods? im not going near hillsborough at 5pm to find out

2/19/2010 5:03:44 PM

I've smoked it once, after coming off a mushroom trip...and hoooooly shit will I think twice about doin that again. Just one hit iirc, held in, bumped my previously grounded trip into hyperdrive. I got an intense body buzz, not dissimilar to salvia, but the experience is much more heady.

I can't compare it directly to weed because I'm not sure where the mushrooms ended and the K2 began, but it took me from one breath away from passing out to hurtling through the depths of space, time, and music. A description of that experience would take me forever to type out.

I will say, for better or worse, K2 is legit. I would still prefer weed given the choice, but if you're the kind of person that likes trying new things go for it. It's not as chill but it is strikingly similar in a lot of ways.

And apparently if you hang out on Franklin St. long enough some drunk guy will crash his van into a car near you and give you some K2 for free.

That's our little secret, though.

2/19/2010 5:08:43 PM

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"NOT FOR CONSUMPTION"

gotta love the legality of disclaimers

2/19/2010 5:13:08 PM

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"Authorities in Johnson County, Kan., discovered ex-convicts on probation smoking K2, and said it is spreading to high school students."

fuckin JoCo

2/19/2010 5:23:26 PM

i hope those ex-convicts weren't also eating fatty foods

2/19/2010 5:37:42 PM

Why would I smoke this when pot is available and awesome

2/19/2010 5:42:07 PM

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"sprayed with a chemical"

DO NOT WANT


though i've heard its pretty cool if you're an idiot on probation and still want to get high

2/19/2010 5:49:48 PM

lol

2/19/2010 6:03:26 PM

Why do they call it Zohai?

2/19/2010 6:05:53 PM

That shit looks like potpourri

2/19/2010 6:10:16 PM

The Dude is intrigued. Please elaborated on this K2 substance.

Random drug tests FTL

2/19/2010 6:13:49 PM

i sold a kid oregano and grass (from the lawn) one time and watched him smoke it and act high

2/19/2010 7:06:34 PM

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"In the spirit of journalistic research, we smoked several brands of herbal incense over the course of a month leading up to the news short linked above. And while JWH-018 is still legal in Arizona, there are a few other things you should know about smoking it: 1. Not all incense blends are created equal. There are dozens of herbal-incense blends containing JWH-018 on the market right now, and each one has slightly different herbal ingredients, ranging from damiana root and molasses to Siberian motherwort and honey. The herbal blend doesn't matter compared to the amount of JWH-018 in the blend, and while no brands list the exact amount of the compound in their incense, some herbal incense blends seem to be more potent than others. The strongest blends we tried were Serenity Now, Puff, and Spice. 2. JWH-018 is more expensive than real pot. Most of the herbal-incense blends containing JWH-018 are sold in one-gram bags, for about $25 each. The street value for potent strains of marijuana ("chronic") is about $14 a gram. 3. Herbal incense blends are harsh. These herbal aromatherapy blends with JWH-018 are not marketed as something to smoke, which might explain why they all taste like crap. But the effects on the throat and lungs are worse than the dirt-and-dung flavor. Granted, smoking anything is not good for one's respiratory system, but smoking herbal incense can make your throat burn and your lungs ache, hours after the last hit. 4. JWH-018 does not mix well with alcohol. Most drugs don't mix well with alcohol, but having a glass or two of wine with JWH-018 can exacerbate hangovers and cause headaches at the base of the skull that last for hours. 5. It doesn't give you "the munchies." While some smokers have reported getting extremely hungry after puffing JWH-018, others (us included) didn't have any urges to cram cupcakes into their faces. Marijuana's known for inducing the munchies, but JWH-018 doesn't seem to feed the need for Cheetos. 6. The high last no more than 30 minutes. The effects of smoking JWH-018 don't last long -- probably an average of 10 minutes, or half an hour at best for the more potent herbal blends. It doesn't seem to take much more than a hit or two off a pipe to trigger JWH-018's heady high, but the feeling won't last beyond a single episode of South Park."

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2010/02/synthetic_marijuana_six_things.php

2/19/2010 10:30:21 PM

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"One legend says Quetzalcoatl himself gave the recipe to his most trusted Shaman. Others say a Tibetan monk saw the recipe during meditation."

Hippies will believe anything.

2/19/2010 10:39:07 PM

ive smoked blunts of this shit. it gets you way higher than you usually get from pot for like 30 mins, then theres an hour long munchies/hangover feeling followed by a headache. stick to weed and fuck smoking incense

2/19/2010 10:41:12 PM

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"A shocking amount of that is just incorrect. As others have indicated it can, and does, last hours depending on how you do it. I have the pure white powder and the K2 but I always mix. The only thing that you said that was accurate was the harshness. Also, not sure what planet you are from but .8 of good chronic is $20, not 1.0 for for $14. I use it because I am sick and weed is still illegal, and if it didnt allow me to eat I wouldnt bother with the JWH, getting stoned is the only was I can eat with my nausea. You should not make blanket comments on things you do not understand and clearly have little or no experience with. I am sick of journalists propagating falsities under the guise of experience, almost as sick of a government that pretends to care about its people by making these cures illegal, yet Oxycontin, percs and all that garbage is OK. Wonder why? PS I hate these substitutes, there's a good chance they cause cancer and other unbelievable things, but weed, proven harmless countless times over, still is illegal."

lol

2/19/2010 10:41:40 PM

Interesting.

2/19/2010 11:01:08 PM

I do what I want!!

2/20/2010 7:59:38 AM

isn't that just bullshit herbs sprayed with that one thc derivative that is still just classified as a research chemical? If it is, yeah it works but when it comes down to bud, I'd rather just smoke the real thing and not some possible snake oil.

2/20/2010 10:56:29 AM

definitely not snake oil. it gets you higher than weed but its for sure not as authentic of a high. i think it could to mix in with weed to get short and long term but the headache afterwards makes it not worth it.

2/20/2010 11:14:31 AM

its funny that someone had to manufacture a chemical to produce similar effects of an already natural chemical that is illegal. does not compute

2/20/2010 11:56:57 AM

why would that surprise you? its obvious people want to get high legally and that seems to be the first logical loophole

2/20/2010 12:17:19 PM

2/20/2010 2:07:21 PM

hippies

2/20/2010 2:27:32 PM

set em up

2/20/2010 2:33:51 PM