http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/27/king-competition-committee-will-consider-modified-sudden-death-rule/

About fucking time.

Probably going to be first to 7.

[Edited on February 27, 2010 at 6:35 PM. Reason : .]

2/27/2010 6:33:45 PM

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"About fucking time. "

2/27/2010 7:04:33 PM

First to 5 > First to 6 or 7





[Edited on February 27, 2010 at 7:08 PM. Reason : x]

2/27/2010 7:07:00 PM

how about first to 22

2/27/2010 7:10:22 PM

How about just an extra 10 minute period.

[Edited on February 27, 2010 at 7:11 PM. Reason : .]

2/27/2010 7:11:40 PM

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"How about just an extra 10 minute period."

THEE only solution

2/27/2010 7:21:38 PM

how about a 5 minute period and then a field goal competition if nobody has scored after those 5 minutes


oh wait

2/27/2010 9:39:24 PM

How about a shoot-out?

2/27/2010 9:40:03 PM

First to 6 is the best solution.

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"First to 5 > First to 6 or 7"

How often do you see a safety in overtime?

2/27/2010 10:44:28 PM

I like first to 7 college rules.

2/27/2010 10:48:32 PM

i could support a first to 7 change although i'd rather see a timed period. i absolutely abhor the current OT rules.

2/27/2010 10:50:06 PM

There's nothing wrong with the current overtime rules.

2/27/2010 10:53:06 PM

minus the whole coin flip basically decides the game thing.

(yeah, yeah, yeah, stop them to win, i get it. the fact is that one team has a huge advantage over the other getting the ball first.)

2/27/2010 10:56:13 PM

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"minus the whole coin flip basically decides the game thing."

Except that isn't really the case at all and when you look at the playoff games that really matter: The team winning the coin flip is a whopping 2-6* since the 2003-2004 season.

At the end of the day, it's a hell of a lot better than the college system is.

* One of those wins was when Philly got the ball first, punted, got the ball back on a turnover and then kicked a field goal shortly after. There's also one game that I didn't count (Rams/Carolina) because I don't know who got the ball first and the game went into double overtime.

So basically, of 9 playoff games, it mattered who got the ball first a grand total of 1 time.

[Edited on February 27, 2010 at 11:14 PM. Reason : .]

2/27/2010 11:10:16 PM

fair enough, i guess.
what are the all-time stats on first possession/win ratio?

i guess, for me, the advantage of giving one team the ball first with a sudden death rule doesn't seem fair and warrants change. i like the fact that in college both teams have the chance to score. and while one could argue that in the NFL each team has that same chance if they play offense and defense well, it definitely doesn't seem as fair as college rules.

[Edited on February 27, 2010 at 11:19 PM. Reason : just my $0.02]

2/27/2010 11:18:42 PM

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"fair enough, i guess. what are the all-time stats on first possession/win ratio?"

http://www.advancednflstats.com/2008/10/how-important-is-coin-flip-in-ot.html

According to that between 2000-2007 it happened roughly 30% of the time.

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"i guess, for me, the advantage of giving one team the ball first with a sudden death rule doesn't seem fair and warrants change. i like the fact that in college both teams have the chance to score. and while one could argue that in the NFL each team has that same chance if they play offense and defense well, it definitely doesn't seem as fair as college rules."

The college rules are flawed because they take out a major aspect of the game. You can't say that NFL rules are unfair because they exclude offense, then turn around and ignore that college does the same thing with special teams and handicap the defense at the same time.

[Edited on February 27, 2010 at 11:23 PM. Reason : .]

2/27/2010 11:23:39 PM

If they used the college rule they should move the ball back to the 40 instead of the 25.

2/27/2010 11:23:44 PM

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"If they used the college rule they should move the ball back to the 40 instead of the 25."

If they use the college rule, they should kick the ball off. The distance of a field goal in the NFL is roughly yard line + 17. You'd be in field goal range without even getting a first down.

2/27/2010 11:25:29 PM

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"There's nothing wrong with the current overtime rules."

Are you serious? How does a coin toss most accurately decide who is the better team? It decides who wins, but definitely who is not the better team (and yes, I know, the better team does not always win... but most of the time, especially in extended games, the better team wins).

2/27/2010 11:38:33 PM

The coin toss doesn't determine who wins or loses the game. Your team's ability to play football determines who wins or loses the game.

2/27/2010 11:46:42 PM

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"Are you serious? How does a coin toss most accurately decide who is the better team? It decides who wins, but definitely who is not the better team (and yes, I know, the better team does not always win... but most of the time, especially in extended games, the better team wins). "

You should probably read the thread before you decide to post in it.

2/27/2010 11:55:04 PM

I did read the thread, and I agree with a first to 5 (at least) regulation. The current ways need to be changed...

2/27/2010 11:58:27 PM

^^30% of overtime games end with the team that wins the coin toss scoring on their first possession. that doesn't seem high to you? to me, it does.

i'm not trying to argue here, just stating my opinion.

and i can see your gripe with college rules leaving out special teams. it's not the best system either. i just happen to think it's more fair than the NFL rules. games should be decided in a set time, not by sudden death or a structured, game "scenario" overtime, IMO.

[Edited on February 28, 2010 at 12:01 AM. Reason : except hockey shootouts. they are awesome. ]

2/28/2010 12:00:44 AM

^Yeah, you can take the 2002 season for example... 38% of the time, the team that won the opening coin toss scored on their first march up the field.

2/28/2010 12:04:51 AM

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"How about a shoot-out?"

2/28/2010 2:00:10 AM

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"^^30% of overtime games end with the team that wins the coin toss scoring on their first possession. that doesn't seem high to you? to me, it does."

Not at all. It is literally more than twice as likely that the team who receives the coin flip doesn't score on their first possession.

First to five, first to six, neither changes the fact that teams can lose the game without ever touching the ball. People only gripe because they hate watching overtime games end in field goals.

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"and i can see your gripe with college rules leaving out special teams. it's not the best system either. i just happen to think it's more fair than the NFL rules. games should be decided in a set time, not by sudden death or a structured, game "scenario" overtime, IMO."

How exactly is it more fair? It's less fair to special teams. Less fair to defense. Outside of the offense getting a crack at it, you completely cut out special teams, and tell defense "hold them to the field goal they're already in range for". That's not fair.

Meanwhile the NFL system only holds back the offense 30% of the time, while allowing the defense and special teams to actually do the job they're being paid to do.

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"How about a shoot-out?"

Already exists: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAkzvuZLkdg

2/28/2010 2:30:07 AM

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"Perhaps the silliest but most original idea is the field position bid. Both teams would submit a secret bid of how far back they'd be willing to start with the ball. The team that bids the deepest in its own territory would get the ball there. A football version of Name That Tune, I suppose."

I like this.

2/28/2010 12:29:36 PM

im going to post my idea again

if they are tied, put 10 mins on the clock

if they are still tied, give each team the ball on the 30

if they are still tied, give each team the ball on the 35

if they are still tied, give each team the ball on the 40 and you have to go for 2

if they are still tied, give each team the ball on the 45 and you have to go for 2

if they are still tied, give each team the ball on the 50 and you have to score a TD, not a FG, and go for 2

if they are still tied, start doing kickoff returns back and forth until one team runs it in

2/28/2010 12:57:08 PM

Start the ball at the 50. Each team alternates plays on offense and can do whatever they want. First team to any points wins.

If you want your special teams involved, you can punt the ball first play to make a lot of progress. Actually, it would probably end up being a punt off until somebody returned it all the way or blocked one.

2/28/2010 1:02:03 PM

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"How often do you see a safety in overtime?"

Its not for the safety in normal terms. Say its first to 6. The other team has kicked a FG and I have the ball 4th down on my own 5. If I punt and the other team gets it back near the 40, they just have to kick a FG to win.

If I take a safety and kick from the 20, I gain an additional 25-30 yards of field position and the other team still needs an FG to win.

2/28/2010 1:17:16 PM

I personally feel that the only change needed is that both teams get a chance to kick off, after that make it first to score if no one has scored or both teams have scored an equal amount of points in the initialk possessions

still keeping the kick off

gives the teams a chance to play football as they would during regulation

i think its bullshit that something that is complete chance, no skill, can decide the game (a coin toss) if youre gonna use a coin toss than both teams should be awarded a possession, college ball has it right IMO with regard to possessions


[Edited on February 28, 2010 at 1:44 PM. Reason : tg]

2/28/2010 1:42:37 PM

They should just do it like college. No sense in inventing something new.

2/28/2010 1:52:37 PM

^^I'll settle with that.

2/28/2010 2:14:33 PM

^^^ agreed.

2/28/2010 2:59:55 PM

Optimal solution from BHS.

2/28/2010 3:13:28 PM

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"How often do you see a safety in overtime?"

Which is exactly why it should be first to 5 instead of first to 6? I'm not coming out and supporting the first to lead by X rule, but if you're team is good enough to get a safety then maybe that plus a field goal should be enough for a win.

3/1/2010 8:14:00 AM

Why not use the college overtime but instead of starting at a certain point the other team has to kick off. Basically if the team that wins the coin toss scores they have to kick off to the other team. The other team at least has to tie up the game or they lose. Repeat until game is won...

3/1/2010 8:59:11 AM

just add a 10 minute period. no need to get fancy with it.

3/1/2010 9:07:08 AM

Another ten minute period is fine but I think the score or the game is over makes the college overtime exciting and also would often end the game quicker.

3/1/2010 9:11:46 AM

NCAA overtime is essentially a shootout and i hate it

3/1/2010 9:14:43 AM

I think college overtime force coaches to take more risks while an extra 10 mins. might have coaches playing not to lose and just keep forcing more and more overtimes.

3/1/2010 9:28:45 AM

the subject here is not college overtime

just add 10 minutes to the end of the game

and if it ends as a tie, then Donovan McNabb will be surprised

3/1/2010 9:34:31 AM

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"How often do you see a safety in overtime?"

I would love to see it happen more often. But you probably still wouldn't see it much. It'd be 2 field goals or a touchdown.

But making it 5 points at least gives the D a chance to contribute. Having to score a field goal, your d getting a safety, and then having to score ANOTHER field goal seems unreasonable.

But it wouldn't happen. Waiting on two scores wouldn't fly for the networks. Just taking on 10 minutes to the end of the game seems more reasonable, as it gives the networks a fixed amount of time to work with (they'll know how much ten minutes equates to in real world time, it's roughly a half hour).

3/1/2010 9:38:02 AM

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"just keep forcing more and more overtimes."

after 10 mins, it's a tie

3/1/2010 9:39:39 AM

Seriously, if after 10 minutes of OT two teams show themselves to be evenly matched on that day then neither deserves to lose (playoffs excluded, of course).

There's no shame in a tie if you went all-out to win.

Plus it makes the playoff race look more interesting.

[Edited on March 1, 2010 at 10:20 AM. Reason : .]

3/1/2010 10:20:03 AM

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"Plus it makes the playoff race look more interesting."

exactly. you would see some interesting calls in late-season overtime periods.

3/1/2010 11:18:50 AM

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"Not at all. It is literally more than twice as likely that the team who receives the coin flip doesn't score on their first possession."

30% is just the percentage of the time that the team that wins the coin toss scores on their first possession, overall the teams that win the coin toss win 60% of OT's. So, in the current system, correctly picking heads or tail has a pretty significant impact on your chances of winning, that's retarded.

3/1/2010 1:57:17 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/23/overtime-proposal-passes/

Overtime proposal passes! No more bullshit first-drive FGs!

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"The National Football League owners have approved a change in overtime, starting with the playoffs following the 2010 season, that will modify the sudden-death format and prevent a team from winning a game with a field goal on the opening possession."

3/23/2010 3:31:40 PM

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"No more bullshit first-drive FGs!"

Well, in the playoffs yeah

But in the regular season, the OT rules are the same as they were last year

3/23/2010 3:33:04 PM

Actually now they are talking about making it for the regular season too.

3/23/2010 3:56:31 PM