I send out a big "thank you" to all you teabaggers!

3/24/2010 2:01:19 PM

they are desperate for some success therefore i think they will put their differences aside, and try to form a bigger tent between baggers, libertarians, and republicans in order to try to completely dominate the next election

im not sure what the lib's message will be that will draw independents and libertarians away from that movement, let alone keep libs from bailing and or fighting each other

3/24/2010 2:15:39 PM

good post

3/24/2010 2:15:50 PM

God has an alias.

Problem is.. you're still a dumbass.

3/24/2010 2:26:14 PM

^^^The left just passed the most sweeping social legislation in more than four decades. Yeah there was fraying at the edges with Kucinich and his bunch on the left side of the democratic party wanting a public option, and on the right side with Stupak and his gang of 12 wanting tougher restrictions on abortion. And even on something as big as that they came together. Of course President Obama had to be the peace maker, spending some time in Kucinich's district playing up health care reform, and agreeing to issue a meaningless executive order, saying the hyde rule is still in effect which it would have been anyways, for Stupak which gave him some cover. So yeah, I'm not worried about the liberals fighting.

The Tea Party however, a few months back, ran a candidate against the GOP candidate & bad mouthed her til she dropped out, and the result was a democrat winning a seat in congress in a solidly GOP district, and said democrat was one of those voting for health care reform. Even McCain is spending his days battling off his tea party primary opponent.

So yeah, I think your description saying the liberals can't unite, but the tea party will probably decide to play nice is ass backwards.

And by the by, the leaders of the Tea Party want nothing to do with Ron Paul libertarians:



[Edited on March 24, 2010 at 2:31 PM. Reason : .]

3/24/2010 2:30:43 PM

Wrong. My previous, suspended alias, was "pryderi". Seriously though the teabag candidates that supplant the regular GOP candidate in the primaries are going to cause losses for the GOP in the general elections. If anyone, as a true republican, doesn't recognize this, then you're a true, blue dumbass.

3/24/2010 2:31:11 PM

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"So yeah, I think your description saying the liberals can't unite, but the tea party will probably decide to play nice is ass backwards. "

you need to be in the here and now, not in months past. The tea party actually believed it could kill this bill and when they failed they felt very weak and vulnerable and from seeing the chatter in online tea party message boards many of them are saying they need to put their differences aside if they are ever going to achieve anything.
therefore i think the passage of this bill is the catalyst to unite them, while on the other hand it could also unite the left but i havent really seen that taking form just yet.

I think if the economy starts to improve and obama doesnt just pass bills that increase the size of govt then i think there will be plenty of time from now till november for people to calm down and forget the fury that is currently going on.

But one thing that could be a major factor is if the right produces a bill that would replace this one if they indeed are successful in repealing it. If they do that then people may back them, but if all they do is say they'll repeal it without a good alternative it may turn against them.

3/24/2010 2:41:47 PM

The difference between teabaggers and liberals is that liberals will support the average Democratic candidate in the general election whereas teabaggers will not support the average republican.

3/24/2010 3:00:33 PM

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-03-23-health-poll-favorable_N.htm

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"Opinions turn favorable on health care plan WASHINGTON — Americans by 9 percentage points have a favorable view of the health care overhaul that President Obama signed into law Tuesday, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds, a notable turnaround from surveys before the vote that showed a plurality against it."

Which fits with previous polling:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/233890

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"In the latest NEWSWEEK Poll, the majority of Americans are opposed to President Obama's health-care reform plan—until they learn the details."

Maybe the recent media coverage with its passing and signing has been more about what is in the bill (rather than say tea party protests) and maybe that has helped, or maybe people just like being on the winning side, or maybe people are just glad to see something getting done, but something seems to be making this measure gain in popularity.

On the March 17 the Presidents gallup approval rating was 46%, as of March 23 (the day the bill was signed into law) he's at 51% which isn't very meaningful since he's hovered around 50% forever.

And for the record there is a counter movement to the Tea Party. Another nearly meaningless number is that the Coffee Party has a larger presence than the Tea Party on facebook.

Here is some info on their next event


Here is their straw poll stand on Health Care Reform:


Here are some pics from their first round of events:

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"MISSION: The Coffee Party Movement gives voice to Americans who want to see cooperation in government. We recognize that the federal government is not the enemy of the people, but the expression of our collective will, and that we must participate in the democratic process in order to address the challenges that we face as Americans. As voters and grassroots volunteers, we will support leaders who work toward positive solutions, and hold accountable those who obstruct them."

They're pro-government, anti-obstruction, and pro-health care reform as well as individual chapters taking some stands on various other issues. While they describe themselves as more independent minded, I think its pretty clear this counter-tea party movement stands more on one side than the other. And while they may eventually prove the be the same nuisance in terms of primary challenges to the left that the tea party is to the right, this coffee party movement didn't really get up and going on a national level until filing deadlines were already passed for many elections, so the earliest you could see a coffee partier running for a national election is probably 2012.



[Edited on March 24, 2010 at 3:24 PM. Reason : .]

3/24/2010 3:16:44 PM

Would it be possible to ease up on the boilerplate and photobombing, please?

3/24/2010 4:54:04 PM

photobomb...

I think it is possible that the tea party will help divide votes. This has to be a major concern for Repubs imo. The ones that have embraced the movement seem to be kicking ass. Rubio for example.

3/24/2010 4:56:08 PM

^Florida is the exception that will prove the rule. In most states the teabag candidate will lose to the Dem candidate in the general election

3/24/2010 5:04:53 PM

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"My previous, suspended alias, was "pryderi"."

I see what you did there.

3/24/2010 5:28:01 PM

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"Would it be possible to ease up on the boilerplate and photobombing, please? "

yea, especially considering alot of it is bs.

3/24/2010 5:34:52 PM

^Which part of the pictures is BS?

I do apologize though, I hope I haven't ruined one of the three tea party threads on the first page of the soap box

3/24/2010 5:54:17 PM

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/fbi_investigating_cut_gas_line_at_home_of_dem_reps.php

The teabaggers have already gotten violent. They're throwing bricks into Democratic Representatives offices. Now there's potential of one of them cutting gas lines, which can be much more dangerous.

I sincerely hope this doesn't keep escalating between now and November.

[Edited on March 24, 2010 at 6:06 PM. Reason : .]

3/24/2010 5:56:04 PM

i hope it does so people will be freaked out by how little respect some of the baggers have for our democratic process.

but to supplanter, i think there is no question that the baggers have been humbled and do not have the idea that they can pick and choose their candidates, they are in a similar situation as liberals who wanted public option but decided to back this bill cause it was better than nothing,
like so baggers will support whichever candidate, libertarian or republican that has the best chance of winning

as far as Obama's poll numbers, i expected to see a rise and i guess its finally coming through but from what i read it all liberals who were unsure about him now back him
but we need to win over independents to have a chance

3/24/2010 6:25:14 PM

Winning over the independents would be pretty tough, all we need to do is rile these tea party people up more so they can scare all the independents over, then all we have to do is keep up the perception of the "sane" and "willing to compromise" image and we're gold. Then maybe after we win that election we can just piss them off even more.

3/24/2010 7:38:46 PM

So is the Tea Party the new ACORN?

3/24/2010 7:50:08 PM

what bothers me the most about teabaggers (i can't believe i just typed that) is this:

the complete breakdown of discourse. what we are seeing has the potential to be very toxic. mass hysteria starts off with shouting, and general dick-headedness. but it then leads to the destruction of property (which seems to be happening). After that, it escalates into physical violence. it only takes one lunatic to cross the threshold of property damage to physical assault before others follow. and as much as some of us on the left would like to see the teabaggers scare the independents to vote democratic, i don't want to see any rioting. now, i don't think we'll see any large riots (at least not the LA type race riots of '92) quite simply because i don't think the teabaggers fit the mold of young/oppressed individuals driven to mania. however, it very well could incite the fear and paranoia to targeted assaults on elected officials. i'll leave it at that, because i think i've already expressed this concern before.

3/24/2010 7:59:36 PM

i was listening to Limbaugh's radio show for some LOLs this afternoon and he was talking about how the lashing out against senators were isolated incidents

but he then goes on to mention probably a dozen things aside from the cut gas line; the "nigger" yelling at the black senator, homophobic crap said to the gay one, death threats to multiple senators, windows that were broken at senators' offices, death threats to their children/families, etc(not so isolated, huh?)

then he was like "there is no proof that tea partiers are responsible for the events - I wouldn't be surprised if the senators broke their own windows for the PR" and he called bullshit on the death threats, demanding a recording of them

Rush is the biggest troll ever, but the good thing is that a lot of nutjobs buy into his rambling nonsense and it's making the entire right look terrible...the guy(along with a few others) is ruining his own party

3/24/2010 8:05:05 PM

yeah, he's an enabler. and he's enabling all the way to the bank. the more riled up they get, the more they listen. the man is an absolute whore.

but as funny as their actions may seem, and as fabricated as the events/rally's may be, the fear/hysteria is very much real, and can carry with it strong repercussions. and if left completely unchecked, it has the potential to manifest into something tragic.

[Edited on March 24, 2010 at 8:10 PM. Reason : ]

3/24/2010 8:08:26 PM

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"i hope it does so people will be freaked out by how little respect some of the baggers have for our democratic process."

hahahahaha. you accuse the teabaggers of having no respect for the democratic process with a straight face? did you even watch how this bill went down? with such a huge element of political bribery and the like?

3/24/2010 8:50:50 PM

^ what, you mean like the removal of deals that only helped a single state?

OH NOES!

3/24/2010 8:53:48 PM

no, like giving that deal in the fucking FIRST PLACE in order to get it past the senate.
or bribing holdouts to vote for the bill with posts in the administration...
you know, shit like that

3/24/2010 9:11:10 PM

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"no, like giving that deal in the fucking FIRST PLACE in order to get it past the senate. "

I very common practice used in the past that Obama… changed with this bill.

3/24/2010 9:15:52 PM

you actually think that promising someone something in exchange for a vote and then taking it back after the vote is given is an admirable trait? really?

[Edited on March 24, 2010 at 9:18 PM. Reason : ]

3/24/2010 9:16:57 PM

haha

so what you’re saying is that you think on the particular issue of reducing pork from bills, Obama is wrong if he reduces pork, but is also wrong by maintaining the status-quo on pork?

I’m glad in this instance at least, the bill is less pork-laden than it would otherwise have been, thanks to the efforts of the executive branch. We need presidents to encourage more actual legislation, and less sweet-heart deals.

3/24/2010 9:22:23 PM

no. HE SHOULD HAVE NEVER PUT THE FUCKING PORK IN THE BILL IN THE FIRST FUCKING PLACE, you dolt! DURRRRRRRRRRRR

3/24/2010 9:23:05 PM

HE DIDN’T PUT IT IN IN THE FIRST PLACE

HE CALLED FOR IT TO BE REMOVED WHEN PEOPLE COMPLAINED… YOU KNOW, WHAT A GOOD LEADER WOULD DO!



[Edited on March 24, 2010 at 9:28 PM. Reason : ]

3/24/2010 9:27:03 PM

there would be less pork if republicans hadn't filibustered the healthcare bill in the senate ad nauseam.

3/24/2010 9:27:49 PM

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"you accuse the teabaggers of having no respect for the democratic process with a straight face? did you even watch how this bill went down? with such a huge element of political bribery and the like?"

Teabaggers are issuing death threats, breaking windows, and cutting gas lines. A little worse than whatever you can come up with.

3/24/2010 9:28:21 PM

if he were a good leader, he would have never allowed it to be put in there in the first place. he would have saw whoever was trying to do it and said "hey, cut that shit out." But no, he waited UNTIL IT PASSED to do so. He gets no points for breaking a bribe that was made to someone after the bribe was used.

3/24/2010 9:29:10 PM

no. the bill needed 60 votes. most of the pork was added to mollify the last couple of those 60 votes. they likely would have been removed in conference. but now with the reconciliation option being taken, those last few dem votes aren't needed in the senate. voila! get rid of the deals to get those last few conservative dem votes.

3/24/2010 9:31:21 PM

so, you are OK with not keeping promises. lol.

or, are you saying that the bill was so shitty to begin with that they had to bribe people in order to get it passed?

3/24/2010 9:33:03 PM

I thought this thread was about teabaggers issuing death threats and aaronburro's defense of them.

3/24/2010 9:34:22 PM

I'm not defending death threats. of course, it'd be nice to actually have some proof of said things. but who needs proof when you can engage in hysteria... kind of like tea-baggers themselves, no?

3/24/2010 9:36:59 PM

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"or, are you saying that the bill was so shitty to begin with that they had to bribe people in order to get it passed?"

no. i'm saying nelson and lieberman are that shitty.

3/24/2010 9:39:16 PM

so, you are just saying that the bill was so crappy that they couldn't get the needed votes. got it.

3/24/2010 9:40:17 PM

okay? i really don't care. the result will be the same. the BS that was added to get those last few votes is going to be removed with the reconciliation bill. so what does it matter?

3/24/2010 9:41:47 PM

No actually my hysteria is nothing like the retards I saw around the capitol building shouting nigger and homo and then calling Stupak and leaving 50+ death threats on his voicemail (proof) and then organizing to protest outside of that Ohio reps house for the sole purpose of intimidating his family.

3/24/2010 9:42:22 PM

^ look, do you have ANY PROOF of that? Any proof that there were tons of people yelling slurs? no, of course not. you're full of shit. put up some proof or shut the fuck up. All the video cameras there and not one camera picked up a stray "nigger" or "faggot"? really?

^^point being it's a shitty way to do business. It's the Chicago-style politics that Obama claimed to be different from. And his biggest achievement to date only was able to be realized because of that kind of bullshit.

[Edited on March 24, 2010 at 9:44 PM. Reason : ]

3/24/2010 9:43:15 PM

Its called the news dipshit. No wonder you are so uninformed.

3/24/2010 9:45:05 PM

yes, because the news has never lied or exaggerated anything just to sell papers or commercials. By "news" do you mean "Rachel Maddow" or "Chris Matthews?" Surely, if it were so widespread, someone would have sold a video to the "news" by now.

3/24/2010 9:47:43 PM

chicago style politics. LOL

that phrase didn't even fucking exist until nov. 08. what do "chicago style politics" even consist of?

i bet i can guess, anything Obama does that the right doesn't like. OH NOES CHICAGO STYLE POLITICS. like it has any type of tangible meaning. fuck off.

3/24/2010 9:48:21 PM

Hahaha see? You would just call whatever I link a lie, so whats the point with you? You just stick your fingers in your ears like a goddamn toddler.

3/24/2010 9:49:11 PM

the phrase existed a long time before then. Or do you deny that Chicago is one hell of a politically corrupt city?

^ put up, or shut up

[Edited on March 24, 2010 at 9:49 PM. Reason : ]

3/24/2010 9:49:36 PM

^haha. have you ever even been to chicago?

3/24/2010 9:50:49 PM

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"It's the Chicago-style politics that Obama claimed to be different from."

what is? fixing something with a reconciliation bill?

3/24/2010 9:51:02 PM

no. bribing people. lying to people. intimidation. that kind of thing. it's like you didn't even read the post or connect it with previous posts. quit being obtuse

[Edited on March 24, 2010 at 9:52 PM. Reason : ]

3/24/2010 9:51:37 PM