I've just become aware of a "drug" called DMT or Dimethyltryptamine. DMT is a chemical that natural exists in our brain as well as all plants and animals on the Earth. This chemical exists in the pineal gland which is located in the center of our brain. This gland is sometimes referred to as our "third eye". DMT becomes active in this gland during birth, during dreams and REM sleep and during death. This is what causes us to have crazy dreams and also why people have out-of-this world hallucinations as they are dying. During these times our bodies release large doses of it, which causes us to not remember our dreams. However, when taken in small dosages, we can remember everything. Apparently it has been used by indiginous peoples for thousands of years, but in the 1930's scientists figured out how to separate it into a form that could be smoked. The effects last for 5-10 minutes and is said to literally open up peoples minds to worlds that the normal brain comprehend. Dimensions that we cannot see. Supposedly it is not a trip because you're not hallucinating. Your mind is actually opening up and showing you things that you normally cannot grasp or understand. Colors, shapes and sounds not recognizable by the normal functioning brain. Many users claim that it has showed them the real dimension where all souls come from and where they go when our bodies die. It is currently being studied by the military on army rangers. No known physical or mental side effects have been discovered. It is illegal to posess, which is strange since every living thing on earth already posesses it. I don't mess with drugs much, only a little weed, but this stuff sounds crazy. Does anyone know much about it? Any experiences with it?

4/7/2010 7:33:43 PM

Have you tried salvia, bro?

4/7/2010 7:34:55 PM

Here's some videos I found about it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFYR94uVpoY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grcqs9cDuN8


And an interview with Joe Rogan who is a big user and proponent of the drug
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiAiaii8N_w&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE5S9mrE8Xg&feature=related

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4/7/2010 7:35:13 PM

^^ No, I've heard some crazy stuff about bad trips on salvia. DMT is supposed to be a completely different, almost out of body experience.

4/7/2010 7:37:09 PM

iop1

4/7/2010 7:37:13 PM

Whoa, there's shapes I can't see? Why didn't anybody tell me?

4/7/2010 7:45:33 PM

sounds like evolution kept this shit contained for a reason, brah.

4/7/2010 7:46:20 PM

i would love to try it

and salvia

and lsd

and shrooms

basically anything that alters senses, gives hallucinations, etc. due to my intense interest in dreams, sensory stimulation, etc.

never tried anything

4/7/2010 7:49:22 PM

wouldn't they behead you over there if they caught you with any of those things?

4/7/2010 7:50:03 PM

that's for trafficking... for personal use, they force you into a rehabilitation program...

unless you are a foreigner (moi) in which case they will imprison/lash you and then deport you

4/7/2010 7:51:24 PM

I, too, would like to try hallucinogens.

4/7/2010 7:58:21 PM

Psychedelic experiences should be mandatory.

I often wonder how many of our elected officials have ever tripped. Based on their actions, I doubt very few have.

4/7/2010 8:00:53 PM

I would love to come across some of this shit....... I've never even talked to anyone that has mentioned having it. DMT and peyote/mescaline are the only two i really want to try but haven't come across in real life.

4/7/2010 8:02:58 PM

you need to read TIHKAL. You'd be amazed at how many different variations of the tryptamine structure are out there. Some of them have profound mind-altering effects. others just cause physical sensory distortion such as making you feel like you've been set on fire.

if you're looking for mescaline, order a san pedro cactus, pick the spurs off, pull out the wooden core, puree it in a blender, add a bottle of lemon juice to cut the insane bitterness, and drink up. You'll puke it up in an hour, but it will have taken effect by then.

[Edited on April 7, 2010 at 9:28 PM. Reason : ayahausca wasn't all that.]

4/7/2010 9:26:07 PM

Yeah, I've owned this book for YEARS son.

Mushrooms contain 4-HO-DMT btw.

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"you need to read TIHKAL. You'd be amazed at how many different variations of the tryptamine structure are out there. Some of them have profound mind-altering effects. others just cause physical sensory distortion such as making you feel like you've been set on fire."

4/7/2010 9:31:59 PM

smoking DMT is a waste. get a slin pin and do it right.

4/7/2010 9:33:37 PM

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"Psychedelic experiences should be mandatory. I often wonder how many of our elected officials have ever tripped. Based on their actions, I doubt very few have."

4/7/2010 9:37:44 PM

I don't see what the rolled eyes is about there son.

It absolutely should be mandatory.

4/7/2010 9:38:55 PM

right.

4/7/2010 9:40:44 PM

^^^ Haha, I'm watching a 5 part documentary on DMT right now where they are interviewing a bunch of doctors, scientists, philosophers and various religious people. One of the scientists just said that she thinks George Bush would benefit from a DMT trip, maybe it would open his mind a little lol

Here's the link to the documentary. Parts 1-5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx5PI93bDyY

4/7/2010 10:28:57 PM

Really interested in DMT, not going to lie

4/7/2010 10:53:37 PM

not this junk again...

Every few weeks we hear the "It's natural", "It should be legal", "EVERYONE should do it" crap. I'm sorry but anything that we've artificially concentrated and refined in a lab is no longer 'natural.'

I should piss in a jar then 'purify' and 'concentrate' it in a lab. Bet that will give you geometric shapes. And it's 'all natural.'

4/7/2010 11:05:51 PM

i don't see what's wrong with subjecting yourself to stuff that modulates your thought around

4/7/2010 11:06:50 PM

Those damned refined lab specification refined mushrooms son. That damned lab specification refined weed. That god damned lab specification refined bufo alvarius venom. God damned lab specification refined san pedro or peyote cactus. Seriously, when somebody says they like "natural drugs" they aren't saying they like cocaine and morphine (Which are extracted and refined from the active ingredients of plants, generally speaking), they're saying they like to use things like mushrooms or marijuana, which are used "as is" without extraction 99.5% of the time. I don't think anyone in this thread ever claimed that extracted/purified DMT could be found in piles out in nature.

Extracting something is not the same as refining it IMO, but you don't have to extract the active ingredients of any of the above items in order for them to work (Almost nobody does actually). Also, name one element that isn't natural. PLEASE, do that for me. There is nothing in existence that is not natural. EVERY PROTON, NEUTRON AND ELECTRON IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE IS "NATURAL", YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKER.

And if we want to play by your rules, DMT does occur naturally IN YOUR BRAIN (And in various plant species, something that was discovered by ancient humans, they even realized you needed to combine it with another plant that contained an MAOI). In fact, the book this thread brings up explores how DMT is linked to experiences such as alien abductions. Not in the sense of taking it and experiencing one, but in the sense of your brain NATURALLY producing the god damned chemical and causing the experience. Yes, they do administer DMT to patients to explore its effects, but they do this to compare the effects with the effects of random "non-induced experiences". It actually does appear that our brains are set up to be able to "trip" under the right conditions. In other words, again, it is completely natural.

4/7/2010 11:20:25 PM

Add To My Topics

I bet jackleg's holding out on the DMT

4/7/2010 11:46:28 PM

it's a sad thought that you could order several similar compounds from chemical supply companies in China 10 years ago legally.

4/7/2010 11:54:23 PM

Let's just get a chemistry set.

4/8/2010 12:00:31 AM

^^^^ Exactly, DMT is completely natural. In fact several tribes of indians used to get the effects by licking a certain frog who's slime contained a variation of DMT. Peyote is just cactus flesh and lemon juice. All this is completely natural.

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"Every few weeks we hear the "It's natural", "It should be legal""

No one here ever claimed that it should be legal. We are simply discussing the drug and sharing experiences. Open your mind or GTFO.

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4/8/2010 12:08:22 AM

Well, it's a toad called bufo alvarius and it's the venom that you go for and the active chemical is 5-MeO-DMT which is an analog of DMT, but yeah you basically got the point.

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"That god damned lab specification refined bufo alvarius venom."

4/8/2010 12:09:22 AM

For some reason...reading all that made me think of:

4/8/2010 12:51:04 AM

Goats love DMT. FACT.

4/8/2010 12:55:46 AM

According to this book, certain goats will literally kick your ass to get at psychedelic mushrooms you've picked, which contain 4-HO-DMT (An orally active analog of DMT and one of the best, most incredibly visual psychedelics in existence if fresh or stored very carefully). Apparently they love tripping, so again, who the fuck says that the existence of psychedelic drugs and the seeking of their effects is not natural?

These chemicals have formed in plants and fungi that have effects on the minds of other species, that, in and of itself, is absolutely incredible. I am fascinated by psychedelics and their role in nature (Nature includes my brain). But to claim that seeking intoxicants is some kind of "human only" behavior and that it's not natural is a load of bullshit. This is another reason why it bothers me so much to see the government legislating the responsible use of things which exist naturally on this planet.

4/8/2010 7:43:16 AM

^ I agree completely. Every human on Earth goes on psychedelic trips when they sleep, when they're born and when they die. It's a proven FACT. Our bodies naturally contain DMT. You can't OD on it, it's not addictive and it causes no mental or physical damage. It opens your mind up to where you can comprehend things that the normal functioning mind cannot. Our minds are so incredibly powerful, yet most of us only use a tiny bit of it's capability. Think of all the things that have been discovered by humans that were experimenting with psychedelics. Does DNA ring a bell??? It's amazing to think what all we are capable of most people just don't understand it. What they don't understand scares them so they put the others down who are trying to open their minds and explore new territory by calling them druggies and hippies. They create fear and spread false facts and the general public follows them like sheep. One day, when people realize all of this and understand what individuals are capable of they will stop allowing themselves to be held down by oppressive governments, religions and cultures.

4/8/2010 7:59:16 AM

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"it causes no mental or physical damage"

I've never tried DMT, but I can vouch for the fact that this is complete and utter bullshit if applied to psychedelics in general

I've had a bad trip on acid, and it fucked up my whole patterns of thought/way of viewing the world for the next 6 months - 1 year

I'm still not totally over it, even several years later

if that's not mental damage, I don't know what is

4/8/2010 8:02:42 AM

JeffreyLSD

4/8/2010 8:04:08 AM

i'm enjoying this thread

4/8/2010 8:05:15 AM

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"I've had a bad trip on acid, and it fucked up my whole patterns of thought/way of viewing the world for the next 6 months - 1 year"

I'm sorry you are a weak individual, my LSD fearing son.

4/8/2010 8:18:35 AM

^^ DMT is not acid and, therefore, has different effects. However, most users admit that it has permanently changed the way they look at life and how they view the physical world. They claim it has opened their mind up to things they couldn't comprehend before and it's hard to go back to accepting normal life. I'm not sure if this is not just "mental change" as opposed to mental damage.

4/8/2010 8:21:05 AM

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"However, most users admit that it has permanently changed the way they look at life and how they view the physical world. They claim it has opened their mind up to things they couldn't comprehend before and it's hard to go back to accepting normal life."

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"I'm not sure if this is not just "mental change" as opposed to mental damage."

4/8/2010 8:30:10 AM

Well, sing a psychedelic is not like using fucking morphine or some other "feel good" shit. Psychedelics simply intensify everything and alter consciousness. It can go in any direction you take it really. So, if you've had a bad day or bad week, taking LSD isn't going to wash all of your problems away, it's going to bring them right up in your face and force you to deal with them. This is another reason why I find it hilarious when people say things like "you're using psychedelics to escape reality". These people have CLEARLY never used a psychedelic, lol.


Also, some people are just weak. You're probably weak son. If you fight it, it's going to suck. The set and setting is the absolute most critical aspect to any psychedelic experience. You also have to accept what's happening and let it work its course. In my opinion, essentially all bad trips are the fault of the user, sorry to say. It's most often due to a lack of preparation, a lack of a controlled environment or a poor choice of timing for the trip (Doing it when bad things are on your mind, when injured, after some traumatic event, etc). When did you take it and what form was it in? Cause it might have been research chem too, lol. You've probably caused PTSD son, no problem son, just a little permanent mind fuck.

4/8/2010 8:30:32 AM

is it possible to OD on these various psychedelics?

4/8/2010 8:36:48 AM

Some, yes, absolutely.


With LSD, not really.

With 5-MeO-AMT, oh yeah and it's not going to be pleasant.

4/8/2010 8:37:38 AM

Even bad acid trips are instructive. I love when people bitch about "being changed permanently" as if it's a bad thing and not the whole point

4/8/2010 8:47:42 AM

IT MADE ME REALIZE WHAT I ACTUALLY AM AND THAT THERE IS NO GOD AND NOW I'M ANGRY THAT I TOOK THE RED PILL AND NOT THE BLUE PILL.

4/8/2010 8:49:25 AM

It's ridiculously interesting shit. It slides your perspective into a position that your brain is not likely to learn or experience on its own

4/8/2010 8:53:28 AM

Exactly. There is essentially no substitute for it.

4/8/2010 8:56:37 AM

lol at arguing over "natural"

EVERYTHING is natural...we are part of nature, and therefore everything we create is part of nature

when a monkey shits in a tree, is his poo unnatural? of course not...but did that poo exist without the monkey to create it? no

every chemical compound is made up of elements that exist in nature, therefore they are "natural"

4/8/2010 9:01:20 AM

I don't think everyone is strong enough mentally for a trip on any of these psychedelics, but they can be good for others.

DMT is some CRAZY shit

4/8/2010 9:04:22 AM

you know what else will change your life?

watching your mother getting stabbed to death and the stabber having his way with her corpse...no drugs necessary

4/8/2010 9:06:12 AM

we get it quag

you don't like drugs

you think they are stupid

[Edited on April 8, 2010 at 9:08 AM. Reason : ^and that comparison is just fucking ridiculous]

4/8/2010 9:07:42 AM