Going to vegas soon. What are the games with the best odds? I have heard that you should play craps and bet the pass line? Have also heard that blackjack can be one if you play with the strategy card?.....will probably head on down to the sports book as well.

4/13/2010 8:19:56 PM

if you're gambling with any intent of not rifling through your bankroll, practice the games online. learn basic strategy for BJ (the little cards they sell for like $2). they'll let you sit at the table with the card but you'll want to at least familiarize yourself with the ins and outs before sitting down.

try to find a cheap craps table with not a lot going on, like in the middle of the afternoon, for your first time. busy tables can turn into a cluster and if you're not comfortable enough to catch a shitty dealer when he "forgets" to pay you (which can happen), you're not going to have much fun.

it's intimidating the first time you walk up to a table so if you can get to know the subtle nuances of your game of choice (ie 6 deck BJ vs single deck, etc) it'll make you that much more collected when you sit down. personally i play the shit out of blackjack, a little roulette and not a whole lot else.

4/13/2010 8:36:59 PM

set a limit and have fun. when you hit your limit, walk away. if you go up double, walk away. drink as many free drinks as possible while playing.

4/13/2010 8:43:52 PM

Learn the rules of the games before you walk up and make bets that make you look like an asshole

4/13/2010 9:06:23 PM

^^

i just went with the purpose of having fun, so i just tried to stay away from big moves (mainly blackjack), and kept the free booze coming. sahara has $1 blackjack, which is where i spent about 8 hours waiting for my flight.

4/13/2010 9:11:55 PM

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"set a limit and have fun. when you hit your limit, walk away. if you go up double, walk away. drink as many free drinks as possible while playing."

Have fun being the key. You don't go to vegas your first time to win. If you do, great, if not, don't be disappointed.

Never been to vegas, never really gambled or played these sorts of games, but I'd go Blackjack and Craps my first time in vegas ... all depending on house rules for each of course.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craps#Bet_odds
http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/house-edge-calculator.html

[Edited on April 13, 2010 at 9:36 PM. Reason : .]

4/13/2010 9:35:32 PM

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"i just went with the purpose of having fun, so i just tried to stay away from big moves (mainly blackjack), and kept the free booze coming"

this is what i did, tyler, and had a fantastic time

4/13/2010 11:07:53 PM

just remember....what happens in vegas, stays in vegas

4/13/2010 11:11:46 PM

if you are going to play craps, go to Casino Royale. It has a $3 come/pass bet with 100 times odds. Every other table will have a $10-$25 minimum with 3, 4 or 5 times odds. "True Odds" are the odds paid behind the line, where the casino has the smallest edge. As a result, you want to put as little on the come/pass line (depending if the point is established or not) and as much behind the line as you can afford to gamble and enjoy yourself. Obviously, you need to hit your number once a point is set before the roller rolls a 7. In that case, you'll win the odds.

4 & 10 - 2 times odds - bet any amount
5 & 9 - 1.5 times odds - must be even amount behind the line/on odds
6 & 8 - 6/5 odds - increments of 5 or house gets the edge when there are uneven splits

If you are learning how to play, just wait til the table craps, play a come bet with a wager behind the line and wait for your one number to hit before 7 hits again. If you win a time or two, then consider playing the pass bet, which is equivalent to the come bet, only you can bet it after a point is set. The dealers will tell you if you need to bet more money to get true odds.

4/14/2010 8:24:31 AM

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"then consider playing the pass bet, which is equivalent to the come bet, only you can bet it after a point is set"

Craps Advice
you got the pass and come bets confused.

IMHO if you do not know what is going on at the table, don't play. Instead take the person aboves advice and come one afternoon and learn the game when shit is slow. Craps is the most fun at the casino imho.

Second, do not ever say 7 after the point is made.

Third, give the dealer shit if they are n00bs and try to hand the dice (after the point is made) with 7 showing.

Fourth, do not play the sucker bets. (Big 6 and Big 8, hardways bets, etc)

Fifth, do not play the "Do Not Pass" line unless you want to be "that guy" and the tool bag at the table betting that everyone else will lose. Although technially the Do Not pass line has something like a 0.1%<?> edge over the Pass Line. Eitherway you'll be sad when the dealer rolls a 7 or yo 11 on the coming out roll 3x in a row and you lose money while everyone else is winning.

Sixth, After 8 or so rolls after the point is made or if you get paid out 2 or 3 times on your place bets, take your place bets off the table. A 7 is coming soon!

Non-Craps Advice

Slots of chicks and people who can not do math.

Video Poker is lame

Just because the last 5 numbers were red, does not guarantee that the next roll will be black! (or any other permutation of the 1:2 logic)

Never take insurance on BJ

[Edited on April 14, 2010 at 9:06 AM. Reason : a]

[Edited on April 14, 2010 at 9:06 AM. Reason : a]

4/14/2010 8:59:56 AM

ahahahahaha wtf Hur first you say this:

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"Sixth, After 8 or so rolls after the point is made or if you get paid out 2 or 3 times on your place bets, take your place bets off the table. A 7 is coming soon!"

then you say this:

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"Just because the last 5 numbers were red, does not guarantee that the next roll will be black! (or any other permutation of the 1:2 logic)"

pick one


also, why do you say this?

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"Never take insurance on BJ"

there are a few hands in which insurance, if offered is the correct play.

[Edited on April 14, 2010 at 9:51 PM. Reason : .]

4/14/2010 9:50:38 PM

don't gamble.... play games of skill in which you know you are better than someone..

(poker)

4/14/2010 9:53:57 PM

Quote :

"Quote : "Sixth, After 8 or so rolls after the point is made or if you get paid out 2 or 3 times on your place bets, take your place bets off the table. A 7 is coming soon!" then you say this: Quote : "Just because the last 5 numbers were red, does not guarantee that the next roll will be black! (or any other permutation of the 1:2 logic)" pick one [quote]Insurance is a sucker's bet. To break even you need to get paid 2.33:1, but you only get paid 2:1. That's a little more than a 7% disadvantage. That's of course not taking into consideration any counting methods. Now don't be fooled. Even money is the exact same thing as insurance. I am a dealer and people will say they would never in their life bet insurance but take even money in a heartbeat and they will argue up and down with me that it is not the same because you are collecting money and taking a "sure thing". These kinds of people will never win. If you want an example of this then here it is. If you bet $100 and get a blackjack and the dealer offers insurance. You decide to bet the $50. Ok in case 1 the dealer has blackjack, you push on your blackjack and get paid $100 on your insurance bet. Case 2 the dealer doesn't have blackjack so you lose your $50 insurance and win $150 on your bet. Either way is a net $100 profit. 99.999% of people don't know that you can still bet insurance for less even if you have a blackjack. So if you bet $100 and are torn between even money and going for it then go ahead and put $25 on the insurance line. (This is like taking even money on $50 of your original bet and going for the blackjack on the remainder). The dealer might look at you odd and say that you can't do that, but you gotta insist on it because it IS allowed. Insurance has nothing to do with what hand you have. In fact, in most blackjack tournaments you have to do it this way if you want to take down the even money win. You have to physically bet the insurance line. I see a lot of people on here say they never take even money, but when I'm working almost everyone takes it so I don't know where you people are."

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080512201352AAWt75p
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Well that really does not have as much to do with pure statistics as it does superstition.

The black jack insurance thing though is pure statistics. Ask any casino regular (one that does not lose their mortgage payment); or any statistician.
Insurance is a sucker bet....

[Edited on April 14, 2010 at 9:58 PM. Reason : l]

4/14/2010 9:57:10 PM

sorry Hur. I had mistaken surrendering and insurance.

4/14/2010 10:01:37 PM

surrendering?

4/14/2010 11:11:55 PM

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"Surrender: Finally, some casinos offer the player the option to surrender on the first two cards. If the player does not like his prospects he may forfeit half the bet as well as his cards. If the dealer has a ten or ace showing, and the dealer peeks at his hole card for a blackjack before the first player's turn, then the option is called "late surrender." If the dealer does not check for blackjack, or does not take a hole card at all, then the option is called "early surrender." Early surrender is much better for the player, because of the protection against a dealer blackjack."

4/14/2010 11:13:54 PM

All in, all the time

4/14/2010 11:54:41 PM

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" just remember....what happens in vegas, stays in vegas"

a common misconception. what happens in vegas does not ACTUALLY stay in vegas. please keep this in mind to avoid possible personal destruction.

4/14/2010 11:59:11 PM

clearly it doesn't, as evidenced by taxicab confessions.

4/15/2010 12:37:45 AM

Blackjack (IF you know what you're doing and make all the correct plays) and roulette (depending on how you bet) offer the least risky odds.

My theory is that, in addition to always having a statistical edge, the house has the advantage of never going broke.

You have the advantage of being able to walk away at a time of your choosing (as long as you don't go broke) instead of having to play all night.

In other words, in a game with the odds pretty close to even (potentially roulette or blackjack), you will probably be up sometimes and down sometimes...it's going to fluctuate. Therefore, you can make money if you walk when you're up. The trick is having the discipline to do this.



Personally, I prefer to do my gambling in the stock market.

4/15/2010 12:52:30 AM

the last bachelor party I went to out in vegas, we packed out a pai gow table and had a blast. a little money goes a long way and if you tip big early, the waitress will keep the drinks flowing. think it was the first time in history a pai gow table didn't have an 80 year old asian lady sitting at it.

4/15/2010 1:04:30 AM

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"what happens in vegas, stays in vegas"

Except for herpes, that shit comes back with you

4/15/2010 1:07:37 AM

if you win a bet on the roulette table, don't take your chips until the dealer has dealt out all the winning chips and removed the marker.


i did that and looked like a total n00b

4/17/2010 3:29:29 PM

Pretty sure that roulette has some of the worst odds in the casino, right up there with keno and slots. Blackjack with basic strategy and certain craps bets are the ones that offer the least house edge. No other game will there be only a .6% edge (double odds on the pass line).

4/17/2010 5:23:15 PM

I have read that craps gives you the closest to 50/50 odds. I also found it fun. Granted, I still lost.

4/17/2010 6:05:31 PM

can i get a refund if I lose all my money?

4/17/2010 10:28:51 PM

^ omfg dude, hilarious

4/18/2010 12:20:46 PM

Play don't come if you don't want to be the douchebag playing don't pass

4/18/2010 2:00:12 PM

As long as you yell YAHTZEE!!!! really loud after every turn you'll be fine.

4/18/2010 2:11:13 PM

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"Pretty sure that roulette has some of the worst odds in the casino"

Depends on what you bet on. If you bet red/black or even/odd, you're almost 50/50.

4/18/2010 2:27:37 PM

Just a general money saving tip, the ATMs in casinos charge like a $5 fee. So figure out a different way to get your cash! Also a casino ATM will give you the largest denomination of bills available. If you withdraw $200 you'll get two $100 bills. That way you're more likely to plunk it all down on one game. Don't fall for it! Use the change machines to convert yourself down to ones, fives, or tens. You'll bet less so the money will last longer.

4/18/2010 10:48:11 PM

^ get USAA and get the ATM fees reimbursed every month

4/19/2010 9:13:49 AM

^Also useful for strip club ATMs.

ATM SURCHARGE REBATE $15.00

RE: Roulette. I guess it depends if OP will be playing on a single zero wheel or not. I know AC had double zero (perhaps only because I walked up to the lower limit wheels). Upon further research, it also looks like they only take half on an even money bet wrt 0 or 00, so it's like 2.5% edge. Single wheel w/Euro rules it's like 1.3% so you're right, he could probably find a wheel with pretty even odds.

Sidebar: If you're going to chill at a roulette wheel with a buddy, please don't do retarded shit like bet against each other red vs black or even vs odd.

4/19/2010 9:45:22 AM

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"Gambling tips? "

slot machines

4/19/2010 9:53:48 AM

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"Slots of chicks and people who can not do math."

or for the people that just push the button when a waitress walks by so you can order more free drinks.

4/19/2010 9:55:13 AM

No casino's in this country have single wheel's that I know of, and they would be a fool to be one of the few to have them

I've seen a few places with 6/5 blackjack payouts

Now thats getting fucked...royally

4/19/2010 10:32:20 AM

the only single zero wheels you'll find are $100+ / spin tables, in sections you wont be going into anyways.

4/19/2010 10:35:01 AM

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"f you are going to play craps, go to Casino Royale. It has a $3 come/pass bet with 100 times odds. "

I came in to post this. My husband and I spent countless hours in Casino Royale during our last 2 trips to Vegas. It is nestled right in between Harrahs and Caesar's Palace I think? There is (or was last time I was there) a Denny's right next door.

It is our favorite casino in Vegas. But if you want the glitz and glamour of playing craps in a big casino, go elsewhere. Casino Royale is a no-frills casino.

4/19/2010 11:49:03 AM

Print out pocket strategy guides for anything you plan on playing

http://wizardofodds.com/games/

4/19/2010 12:18:20 PM

casino royal has blackjack switch too

which, when played flawlessly is something absurd like a 0.0005% ha

the problem is, you'll fuck up the strategy. i used to use simulators online when doing sticky bonuses and bonus whoring.


cr is a fuckin' down and dirty place to get your gambooool on


def. aint the glam.

4/19/2010 1:06:44 PM

PShoes have you seen the rooms at CR?



I think we have a free room there from all the points we have accumulated on our player's cards

4/19/2010 1:08:12 PM

Oh how I miss sticky bonuses and bonus whoring.

4/19/2010 1:08:14 PM

Is CR the place with the dancer in front of the blackjack tables with a c section scar?

4/19/2010 1:10:07 PM

Remember:

4/19/2010 1:21:54 PM

i didnt even know they had rooms

4/19/2010 1:22:09 PM

Casino Royale is a cesspool but one that you will frequent if you want the best statistical advantage

Personally, I prefer to take the slightly lesser odds and do my wagering in a locale that doesn't smell like urine, mildew and rubbing alcohol

If you're there on vacation, skip it

4/19/2010 1:40:54 PM

The last time I checked, blackjack has the best odds. Learning how and when to double down and split are your two advantages over the dealer. I think it's completely foolish to insure anything less then a 20. And if there's an option to surrender, don't do it, play your cards. If you're unsure of what to do, ask the person sitting to the right of you, they are the one that gets screwed over if you hit/pass incorrectly. It only takes one person to screw over the whole table, and if you have a bad egg at your table, sit out until they leave or just move to another table. If you ever get a 50 cent chip, toss it to the dealer as a tip and don't play it, makes for more confusing math.

Let It Ride has some of the worst odds, skip that game.

Don't sit at a table situated near an exit, those are cold tables. On the contrary, the best slot machines to play are ones near the main entrance. They are programmed with better odds, with the idea that the winners migrate into the casino and spend more money.

This was just my experience, but the only slot machines I seemed to consistently hit on were the ones in the airport terminal.

In general, if you just don't know what to do and you' don't mind looking like a n00b (as opposed to throwing away your bet), ASK THE DEALER! They get paid no matter what you do with your bet, but happy gamblers tip more and come back to spend more.

4/19/2010 6:52:00 PM

^wtf? is this a trollpost? therein lies some of the worst advicen ever

4/19/2010 7:07:38 PM

Duke is one of the smartest posters on this board.

Cant believe he doesnt know roulette odds are horrible.

I wont touch a roulette wheel, the odds are too sick against you.

4/19/2010 8:12:00 PM