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"15. Philadelphia 14. Charlotte 13. West Palm Beach 12. Baton Rouge 11. New Orleans 10. Baltimore 9. Nashville 8. Charleston 7. Little Rock 6. Orlando 5. Stockton 4. Las Vegas 3. Miami 2. Memphis 1. Detroit"

http://www.forbes.com/2009/04/23/most-dangerous-cities-lifestyle-real-estate-dangerous-american-cities.html

I call bullshit on this list considering St. Louis isn't on it.

6/21/2010 7:13:12 AM

fuck you

6/21/2010 7:26:01 AM

Where's Durham?

6/21/2010 7:35:15 AM

I'm surprised to see charlotte ranked above philly.

6/21/2010 7:39:01 AM

^, ^^ lol yeah I would have figured Durham to be more dangerous than Charlotte. Another reason to call shenanigans.

I bet it's because it's using the stupid system of metro area rather than within city limits. Chapel Hill and Raleigh would balance out Durham. It would also explain how St. Louis isn't on the list.

[Edited on June 21, 2010 at 7:45 AM. Reason : s]

6/21/2010 7:41:16 AM

what about LA? i've seen enough early 90's rap videos to know for a fact that LA is a dangerous place to be.

6/21/2010 7:44:31 AM

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"In the first half of 2008, Los Angeles reports 198 homicides - which corresponds to a rate of 9.6 (per 100,000 population) - a major decrease from 1993, when the all time homicide rate of over 21.1 (per 100,000 population) was reported for the year.[3] This included 15 officer-involved shootings. One shooting led to a SWAT member's death, Randal Simmons, the first in LAPD's history.[4]"

Maybe that's part of the reason.

6/21/2010 7:47:56 AM

Yeah. No L.A. = no credibility

6/21/2010 7:48:29 AM

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"I would have figured Durham to be more dangerous than Charlotte."

why?

other than you being a prejudiced bitch?

6/21/2010 7:55:19 AM

Just seems to be a lot more news stories about violent crime in Durham than Charlotte. Although I guess the news networks in the Triangle don't give a shit about Charlotte in general

6/21/2010 7:58:51 AM

I didn't even notice Charlotte was on there. You see posts on here all the time (no I'm not going to find them) that there's muggings, murders, and even house robberies of TWWers on here coming out of Durham.

There's a lot of Charlottwwrs on here and I've never heard of one getting so much as getting a stink eye on the street.

[Edited on June 21, 2010 at 8:01 AM. Reason : lkj]

6/21/2010 8:00:54 AM

What TWWer was murdered?

this is the first i've heard of it.

6/21/2010 8:02:22 AM

sorry, knew it was going to be unclear

there are stories of muggings and murders in Durham.

There was a thread and multiple recounts of the homes of a few TWWers getting robbed in Durham as well.

[Edited on June 21, 2010 at 8:03 AM. Reason : lkj]

6/21/2010 8:03:37 AM

lawl

I have a buddy from high school from charlotte currently serving life in prison for murder. I know others that have been robbed at gunpoint, raped, beat up, etc....

But you're right. These things rarely come up in conversation on TWW.

6/21/2010 8:05:21 AM

Honestly the only accounts I remember recently are from some of BigEgo's posts and a few from conversation with Fareako. Both of those were non-descript.

I guess most TWWers who live in Charlotte make enough to not have to live in the shitty parts

6/21/2010 8:07:21 AM

There's murders in Cary, Raleigh, and Chapel hill, too.

At one point last year there were a lot more murders in Raleigh than Durham.

Durham gets a bad rap because suburban white kids are afraid of black people. And there are a lot of black people in Durham. Durham was pretty sketchy 10 years ago, but it's been cleaned up a LOT since then. Kind of like NYC in the 80's vs. now.

RTP blowing up + gentrification have had a lot to do with it, too.

6/21/2010 8:07:25 AM

epic first post

6/21/2010 8:14:34 AM

Charlotte does have plenty of violent crime. And it sucks cause some of the "projects" and ghettos are mixed in among the nicer places in town so it spills in everywhere and you can't really avoid it. Hell, wasn't someone just recently talking about how their dad and his friend were randomly confronted on the light rail on the way to work and the friend got the absolute shit beat out of him?

6/21/2010 8:15:12 AM

Last year Raleigh v. Durham

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"2009 City Crime Rate Rankings 98 Durham, NC 78.10 195 Raleigh, NC 19.08 "

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"Raleigh's police chief says a combination of aggressive law enforcement, community support and positive, new outlets for youngsters living in troubled neighborhoods helped cut the city's homicide count in half last year. Police reported 15 homicides in 2009"

http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/01/02/264818/no-thugs-allowed-murder-rate-plunges.html

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"Durham homicide rate 2009 - 21 homicides"

http://durhampolice.com/news/pdf/100302_1.pdf

So Durham had a higher homicide rate than Raleigh in 2009, but the good news is both cities saw a dramatic drop in homicides.

6/21/2010 8:17:30 AM

What about Atlanta?

6/21/2010 8:17:59 AM

Charleston?

6/21/2010 8:26:22 AM

i'm actually surprised no one has mentioned anything about Charleston- then again, you all might not be as naive about it as some people I know


I personally understand how bad it can be down there- hell, my first trip every down there by myself (was 17), I about got t-boned by a cop going 75+ down those little roads as he blew thru an intersection. Turns out he was going to the scene where a crack head had randomly walked by and shot up a party that was going on at a house. When the first cops and paramedics got there, he came back and shot a paramedic and a cop both in the face/back of the head




[Edited on June 21, 2010 at 8:29 AM. Reason : haha well there ya go- yeah, bad drugs and poverty problems there]

6/21/2010 8:28:21 AM

Hell even the government housing I saw in Charleston looked nicer that regular housing here.

6/21/2010 8:31:35 AM

^^ Yeah Charleston doesn't much surprise me since it's one of the big drug trafficking cities in the US.

6/21/2010 8:43:26 AM

Detroit represent \m/

6/21/2010 9:10:59 AM

do you guys remember watching the documentary about the gangs in little rock, maybe on HBO or something?

haha i guess when there is fuck all else to do in a town like that, that's what happens.

6/21/2010 9:13:47 AM

this article was written a year ago fwiw

6/21/2010 9:17:48 AM

I grew up in durham playing on hollloway st every day, it's not bad. There's really just a couple parts off east durham that are sketchy at all

6/21/2010 9:19:45 AM

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"Charleston?"

North Charleston is one of the most dangerous "areas" in the country. I feel like I see crime rankings every year that put it in the top 3 or 5. So it weighs down Charleston a lot. There are some sketchy areas downtown, but absolutely nothing goes on in Mt. Pleasant, James Island, or West Ashley. North Charleston can be a war zone though.

6/21/2010 9:19:54 AM

Ah Memphis, what a fucking shithole.

6/21/2010 9:21:36 AM

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"gangs in little rock"

wasn't it MTV true life?

6/21/2010 9:25:14 AM

Durham isn't dangerous at all... all of the crime is between people who bring it upon themselves by being poor and in gangs, and most of that has been phased out in the last 5 years or so.




Charlotte is like 90% ghetto and 10x as big as durham.

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6/21/2010 9:26:03 AM

For comparison's sake, here's a different listing:

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"1 Camden, NJ 466.50 2 St. Louis, MO 374.87 3 Oakland, CA 325.60 4 Detroit, MI 315.00 5 Flint, MI 295.20 6 New Orleans, LA 284.44 7 Birmingham, AL 278.79 8 Cleveland, OH 267.24 9 Jackson, MS 243.68 10 Memphis, TN 241.58 11 Gary, IN 240.31 12 Compton, CA 240.19 13 Baltimore, MD 227.42 14 Richmond, CA 218.12 15 Kansas City, MO 203.05"

http://os.cqpress.com/citycrime/2009/CityCrime2009_Rank_Rev.pdf

6/21/2010 9:26:50 AM

i take it LA isn't on there because its technically like 80 different microstates

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6/21/2010 9:28:00 AM

Bangin' in Little Rock was an HBO Documentary back in the mid 90's

[Edited on June 21, 2010 at 9:29 AM. Reason : a]

6/21/2010 9:28:37 AM

^^ Compton made the one list.

6/21/2010 10:26:03 AM

Of course Charlotte is more dangerous than Durham...Durham busters don't want none of the HVKs

6/21/2010 10:31:15 AM

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"all of the crime is between people who bring it upon themselves by being poor and in gangs, and most of that has been phased out in the last 5 years or so."

lol and the cycle continues

6/21/2010 10:46:22 AM

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"Of course Charlotte is more dangerous than Durham...Durham busters don't want none of the HVKs"

whens the last time Durham was on Gangland?

6/21/2010 10:47:16 AM

Now you did it. The HVKs are gonna be on your ass and MS13 gonna follow 'em to battle in your hood.

6/21/2010 10:54:22 AM

The comment section on this video makes my head hurt

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhIABs77kYs044Uhwx

6/21/2010 10:54:55 AM

i can take that list seriously without camden NJ somewhere near the top

6/21/2010 10:57:09 AM

Quote :

"What about Atlanta?"

6/21/2010 11:20:10 AM

I grew up near detroit and I can tell you that driving down the wrong street can end up badly. There were stories of suburbanites filling up at gas stations in the hood and getting robbed/killed. Also, car jacking was a likely scenario. Typically several murders a week.

6/21/2010 12:03:36 PM

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"all of the crime is between people who bring it upon themselves by being poor and in gangs"

silly internet

6/21/2010 12:28:03 PM

Quote :

"I grew up near detroit and I can tell you that driving down the wrong street can end up badly. There were stories of suburbanites filling up at gas stations in the hood and getting robbed/killed. Also, car jacking was a likely scenario. Typically several murders a week. "

when was this? i actually read somewhere about how the crime has declined in detroit over last 2-3 years

6/21/2010 12:29:46 PM

Quote :

"Hell even the government housing I saw in Charleston looked nicer that regular housing here."

It starts out that way in a lot of places.

There are plenty of newly built projects in Durham that look great. And in a decade or two they're going to be run-down pieces of shit.

For an area to be nice, it matters more who lives there than how the places were built.

6/21/2010 12:31:56 PM

^^ When you've been #1 in crime since the 80s I'm not sure that's saying much

[Edited on June 21, 2010 at 12:32 PM. Reason : e]

6/21/2010 12:32:19 PM

6/21/2010 12:34:58 PM

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"Behind the Numbers To determine our list, we used violent crime statistics from the FBI's latest uniform crime report, issued in 2008. The violent crime category is composed of four offenses: murder and non-negligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault. We evaluated U.S. metropolitan statistical areas--geographic entities defined by the U.S. Office of Management and Budget for use by federal agencies in collecting, tabulating and publishing federal statistics--with more than 500,000 residents."

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6/21/2010 12:38:08 PM