How long have I been buying camel blues and didn't notice?

6/22/2010 6:56:34 AM

You should probably call the cops about this injustice

6/22/2010 6:59:57 AM

Yeah, they can't label any cigarettes as "light" now

6/22/2010 7:01:56 AM

what queer ass rule

6/22/2010 7:28:47 AM

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"what queer ass rule law"

6/22/2010 7:31:18 AM

this explains so much

6/22/2010 7:49:12 AM

Who fucking cares?



Nobody.

6/22/2010 7:56:06 AM

i care. i am genuinely concerned about m52ncsu's well being. he was so angry last night, now i know why.

6/22/2010 8:01:57 AM

that's fucking stupid

6/22/2010 8:03:25 AM

If you cared about m52ncsu's well-being, then you would urge him to stop fucking smoking.

6/22/2010 8:17:49 AM

you've both been trolled.

6/22/2010 8:19:34 AM

Every single tobacco-specific law is 100% unconstitutional, 100% immoral, and 100% unnecessary.
They will all be overturned, or the US will fall.

6/22/2010 8:40:21 AM

When did they change to colors, because I always ask for lights

6/22/2010 8:47:33 AM

You're 100% unconstitutional, 100% immoral, and 100% unnecessary

6/22/2010 8:47:51 AM

I will now respond with an equally clever insult:
I know you are but what am I?

6/22/2010 8:51:14 AM

Tits or gtfo.

6/22/2010 9:06:36 AM

I didn't know until I tried to buy some the other day and they were like oh you mean blues. I was like wtf just give me my damn cigs.

6/22/2010 9:08:14 AM

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"Every single tobacco-specific law is 100% unconstitutional, 100% immoral, and 100% unnecessary."

it makes me smile knowing this really does get your panties in a wad

seriously, when you post about constitutional rights, it makes my day

6/22/2010 9:13:29 AM

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"I was like wtf just give me my damn cigs."

No.

6/22/2010 9:32:39 AM

I just heard that the tobacco industry can no longer put light or mild on the packaging because it is watering down the fact that cigarettes are harmful no matter what. So the cig companies are choosing colors that represent calm or safety to make the purchaser feel better about smoking. /psychology

6/22/2010 10:03:01 AM

They can still call them milds and lights here in Asialand. Of course, up until 2 years ago you could still smoke in hospitals in my area

6/22/2010 10:05:44 AM

I once saw a guy in a gymnasium put out his cigarette before walking outside. I thought it was quite a bit funny.

6/22/2010 10:21:27 AM

I heard that smoking cigs makes your p33n shrivel up.

6/22/2010 10:22:45 AM

It makes it bigger. DUH!!!!

6/22/2010 10:24:33 AM

^^^
There is nothing hypocritical, ironic, or bad about athletes, health-food-nuts, or even doctors and nurses choosing to smoke.

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"the tobacco industry can no longer put light or mild on the packaging"

Unconstitutional restriction of free speech.

6/22/2010 10:28:41 AM

^ You obviously missed the fucking point, you dip shit. It was ironic that he chose to smoke inside and put the cigarette out before going outside. Like he was going to make the fucking air worse for everyone else or something.

God, you are a fucking tool. Just get back on your knees and resuming the sucking of the dick of Marlboro Man and shut the fuck up.

6/22/2010 10:31:28 AM

merbig, you know better than to get trolled

6/22/2010 10:32:56 AM

^ No. I think indy really is that dumb. He steps out of line a lot and needs to be put back in his place.

6/22/2010 10:34:43 AM

^^
What's up bitch?


^
There's nothing dumb about it. You're the fucking idiot child that likes to fuck with people with lasers and tell them they shouldn't be smoking.... Get a fucking life.

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"he chose to smoke inside and put the cigarette out before going outside"

lol, I did miss that. You can smoke inside that gym? I'll join, if that's the case.

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"Marlboro"

....typical liberal straw man. I happen to loathe tobacco companies.

[Edited on June 22, 2010 at 10:36 AM. Reason : ]

6/22/2010 10:36:30 AM

Not much, going to be heading to bed in a bit.

6/22/2010 10:37:48 AM

^^ Now I know why indy is too busy to respond to PMs.

6/22/2010 10:38:29 AM

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"Get a fucking life."

After you.

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"lol, I did miss that. You can smoke inside that gym? I'll join, if that's the case. "

Yes, in China.

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"....typical liberal straw man. I happen to loathe tobacco companies."

Obviously you don't loathe them enough. Otherwise you wouldn't be defending their ability to sell tobacco.

6/22/2010 10:40:25 AM

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"After you."

DUR DUR I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I? (you really are an immature little shit.)

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"Yes, in China."

Oh well, never mind. That's too far to away -- I'd hardly ever go.

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"Obviously you don't loathe them enough. Otherwise you wouldn't be defending their ability to sell tobacco"

another typical liberal straw man. I defending the right of private entities to sell tobacco, not the current corporate oligarchs that have a monopoly on that practice.

6/22/2010 11:04:50 AM

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"DUR DUR I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I? (you really are an immature little shit.)"

LOL! This really is like the pot calling the kettle black. You tell me to get a life, like that isn't some immature shit to say? God, you are a fucking moron.

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"I defending the right of private entities to sell tobacco, not the current corporate oligarchs that have a monopoly on that practice."

LOL! All of the companies who sell tobacco are private entities. You can't be against them and for them at the same fucking time. You may not like their practices, but you certainly don't show any hatred towards them.

And just because you keep saying that I'm using straw man logic, doesn't make it so. I know some of you fags from soap box like naming off the first term for an illogical argument that you can think of to avoid having to actually answer a perfectly logical statement/question/ect. But it really makes you look like a complete cop out.

You can't say that you feel that they have a right to sell tobacco, yet say that you hate that they have so much power. They obtained that power through good old fashioned capitalism. They used money, greed, and a cut throat attitude to reach where they are now. If you're a free market capitalist, you should fucking love them!

6/22/2010 11:16:34 AM

bought Parliament Lights 2 days ago

6/22/2010 11:26:21 AM

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"You tell me to get a life, like that isn't some immature shit to say?"

Uh, no it's not. There's nothing the least bit immature about telling someone who spends time shining lasers to fuck with people and telling them they shouldn't smoke, to get a life. You're clearly the childish moron, from a logical conclusion of fact, not name-calling.

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"LOL! All of the companies who sell tobacco are private entities. You can't be against them and for them at the same fucking time."

Uh, no. Major corporations are public, because they get limited liability from government fiat. If they were private, they'd be able to fail from their mistakes. I'd like very much for them to fail.

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"You may not like their practices, but you certainly don't show any hatred towards them."

How? They fucking committed fraud for years, resulting in harm and death to lots of people. I fucking hate them. Why do you say I don't show any hatred towards them?

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"And just because you keep saying that I'm using straw man logic, doesn't make it so. "

While you're right that my simply saying it doesn't make it true, it is clearly true.
You suggested that I admired Marlboro, and then commented on how I should continue to like them ("suck their dick"). That's a straw-man. I never claimed to like Marlboro. You just assumed it, and then continued to act as though that was the case. That is a straw-man. Then you suggested that I was defending their ability to sell tobacco. I'm not.

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"I know some of you fags from soap box like naming off the first term for an illogical argument that you can think of to avoid having to actually answer a perfectly logical statement/question/ect. But it really makes you look like a complete cop out."

So does the back-peddling that you're doing.

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"You can't say that you feel that they have a right to sell tobacco, yet say that you hate that they have so much power"

I didn't. Straw-man #3.

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"They obtained that power through good old fashioned capitalism"

No, they didn't. Good old fashioned capitalism involves private entities -- consenting individuals.
They are a public corporatist oligopoly -- far from capitalist. There is nothing about tobacco mega-corporations, (or any mega-corporations, for that matter,) that comes from good old fashioned capitalism.

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"They used money, greed, and a cut throat attitude to reach where they are now. If you're a free market capitalist, you should fucking love them!"

They lied, and people died. They [the ones who lied] should all be put out of business. Also, free market capitalism doesn't mean that oligopolies and monopolies are okay.

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"you fags"

No.... you're not the least bit immature.

[Edited on June 22, 2010 at 11:47 AM. Reason : ]

6/22/2010 11:38:40 AM

Would 23 US companies plus however many global companies sell in the US actually constitute an oligopoly? That seems like a decent amount of competition.

6/22/2010 11:41:08 AM

^
Uh, yes. Duh.
There should be tens of thousands of tobacco "companies". As in, I should be able to grow, cure, roll, and sell my own cigarettes to consenting adults. None of the 23 agree with that. They all want to be the only source of cigarettes. Such a goal is immoral, and does not have any proper place in capitalism.

6/22/2010 11:44:19 AM

Boeing and Airbus have an oligopoly.
You could even say Anheuser Busch and Miller are one considering their market share in the US.

I really don't think tobacco companies constitute an oligopoly. You can certainly argue that government regulations make it difficult for new companies to enter the market, but that has to do with government regulation more than the tobacco companies.

And surely any business would love to be the only supplier of a product.

I'm waiting for the day Philip Morris fires up their marijuana plant in Durham

[Edited on June 22, 2010 at 11:48 AM. Reason : a]

6/22/2010 11:47:43 AM

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"Uh, no it's not. There's nothing the least bit immature about telling someone who spends time shining lasers to fuck with people and telling them they shouldn't smoke, to get a life. You're clearly the childish moron, from a logical conclusion of fact, not name-calling."

But you're doing it over the fucking Internet, behind a fucking computer screen, arguing with someone who, in your pissant mind, is a child. The fact that you continue to respond to someone who you think is childish, is immature. Not only that, to further exemplify my reasoning for also calling you immature, you have also resorted to name-calling, as shown in the above quote, where you called me a "childish moron."

So again, you calling me immature is like the pot calling the kettle black. But, I don't expect you to understand what I'm saying, so I'm not sure why I waste my time with you.

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"Uh, no. Major corporations are public, because they get limited liability from government fiat. If they were private, they'd be able to fail. I'd like very much for them to fail."

Public corporations can fail, you fucktard.

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"Why do you say I don't show any hatred towards them?"

Because you keep referring to their privilege to sell tobacco as a right. Tobacco, a substance that has been proven to kill people, is heavily regulated by the government. The government at any time could tell them that they have to stop selling tobacco (they obviously won't, they make too much money from them).

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"You suggested that I admired Marlboro, and then commented on how I should continue to like them ("suck their dick"). That's a straw-man. I never claimed to like Marlboro. You just assumed it, and then continued to act as though that was the case. That is a straw-man."

You clearly defended people's ability to buy tobacco. Did you not? You clearly feel that companies have a right to sell tobacco products, right? This clearly shows that you do support the companies existence. If you support the sale of tobacco, a product these companies market and sell to the public, you are inadvertently supporting Marlboro. It doesn't take a fucking genius to figure that out. Meanwhile, I don't support the sale of tobacco. I see no point in its existence.

You may not like the companies, but you clearly support them by maintaining that companies have a right to sell tobacco.

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"I didn't. Straw-man #3."

You clearly don't like their power. You fucking said that you don't like their power when you referred to these companies as "corporate oligarchs that have a monopoly on that practice (of selling tobacco)." The sentence before that, you said "I defending the right of private entities to sell tobacco." So you obviously feel that private companies have a right to sell tobacco. I know you like to get hung on private/public companies, because you feel that private companies are unable to fail (which is clearly bullshit, as they can and do fail).

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"Good old fashioned capitalism involves private entities -- consenting individuals."

People did consent and people continue to consent. So, you don't like that they marketed cigarettes to little kids. Get the fuck over it.

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"The are a public corporatist oligopoly -- far from capitalist."

They got that power from being capitalists. Corporate oligarchies and monopolies arise from capitalism.

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"They should all be put out of business."

By who? You want the government to step in and put them out? That wouldn't be very capitalist of them if they started telling companies they can no longer exist...

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"Also, free market capitalism doesn't mean that oligopolies and monopolies are okay."

Why yes, yes it does. I'm sorry that you're too blind to see that monopolies and oligarchies can exist in free market capitalism. That's why we don't have a free market economy in the US. That's why Taft (I believe it was him), went on a trust busting spree in the early 1900s.

[Edited on June 22, 2010 at 12:00 PM. Reason : .]

6/22/2010 11:59:38 AM

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"Boeing and Airbus have an oligopoly. You could even say Anheuser Busch and Miller are one considering their market share in the US."

Yes. Corporatist oligopolies.

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"I really don't think tobacco companies constitute an oligopoly. You can certainly argue that government regulations make it difficult for new companies to enter the market, but that has to do with government regulation more than the tobacco companies."

Uh, the government is complicit in the formation of corporatist oligopolies. The government is really at fault, too, for allowing such oligopolies and monopolies to exist in the first place. Oligopolies and monopolies are completely counter to the real interests of actual capitalism.

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"And surely any business would love to be the only supplier of a product."

Lemme guess -- liberals educated you about capitalism and business?
Any business that wants to have a monopoly is 100% immoral, irresponsible, and not capitalist.
There is absolutely nothing noble or defensible about the goal of being the only supplier of a product.

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"I'm waiting for the day Philip Morris fires up their marijuana plant in Durham"

Not me. I'm waiting for the day every adult can legally grow and sell it themselves to any other adult. Fuck Philip Morris.

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"But you're doing it over the fucking Internet, behind a fucking computer screen, arguing with someone who, in your pissant mind, is a child. The fact that you continue to respond to someone who you think is childish, is immature."

You may have me there. But only if you're admitting to being immature in the first place.

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"Public corporations can fail, you fucktard"

Read my edit. I poorly worded that. But you should know what I mean. (of course, ignore that and instead present another straw-man, though, by all means...)

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"Because you keep referring to their privilege to sell tobacco as a right."

Again. For the last fucking time. I am not defending the right of public corporatist oligopolies to do anything -- they shouldn't even exist.

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"Tobacco, a substance that has been proven to kill people, is heavily regulated by the government."

Water kills too, neither should be singled out by the government. There is no just role of the government to regulate tobacco or discourage its use.

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"The government at any time could tell them that they have to stop selling tobacco"

Exactly. The government has zero authority to do so. And of course "they obviously won't, they make too much money from them" -- corporatism is a government creation. The whole thing is about money and power. Neither these companies nor the government is innocent here.

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"You clearly defended people's ability to buy tobacco. Did you not? You clearly feel that companies have a right to sell tobacco products, right? This clearly shows that you do support the companies existence."

There you go again with the straw-man bullshit. Private companies have the right to sell tobacco. The companies you're referring to are public corporatist oligopolies. They are not the same.

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"f you support the sale of tobacco, a product these companies market and sell to the public, you are inadvertently supporting Marlboro."

Not in the slightest. Marlboro is a public corporatist oligopoly that committed fraud and conspiracy. There is nothing to support.

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"I don't support the sale of tobacco"

Wow. Just wow. You are not a true American. Please leave the country.

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"You may not like the companies, but you clearly support them by maintaining that companies have a right to sell tobacco"

You just won't stop, will you? The companies you're talking about aren't private companies, like the ones I'm talking about. You cannot actually think you're making any sense...

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"You clearly don't like their power. You fucking said that you don't like their power when you referred to these companies as "corporate oligarchs that have a monopoly on that practice (of selling tobacco).""

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE, YOU FUCKING IDIOT. GET IT IN YOUR DAMN HEAD ALREADY.

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"The sentence before that, you said "I defending the right of private entities to sell tobacco." "

And guess what? the companies you're talking about AREN'T PRIVATE ENTITIES. So I'm not talking about them. Are you even trying to not make blatant straw-men???* WTF?

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"So you obviously feel that private companies have a right to sell tobacco."

*I guess not. (you lack of logic is so painful, I need a beer.)

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"I know you like to get hung on private/public companies, because you feel that private companies are unable to fail (which is clearly bullshit, as they can and do fail)."

Again, that's based on my poorly worded use of "fail". I'm talking about limited liability granted from government fiat, vs. granted from actual people's money.

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"People did consent and people continue to consent. So, you don't like that they marketed cigarettes to little kids. Get the fuck over it."

Has nothing to do with marketing to kids. The companies knew the dangers of tobacco, and they conspired and lied about them. Consent implies that you haven't been lied to -- obviously if you don't have the facts because you've been lied to, you can't really consent to what you think you're consenting to. Consent these days is actual consent. Everyone should know the danger by now.

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"They got that power from being capitalists."

They got their power from the government being complicit in the creation of the public corporatist oligopoly that we have today.

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"Corporate oligarchies and monopolies arise from capitalism"

Well, now I know you're stupid. If you actually believe that, what's the point in arguing?

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"By who? You want the government to step in and put them out? That wouldn't be very capitalist of them if they started telling companies they can no longer exist..."

They aren't private companies. And corporate charters should have to have majority support from the people affected by them, else lose their (non-government fiat) charter. After all, the only reason they get that deal is because they supposedly help the people. In other words, if there weren't actual corporatist oligopolies, and instead actual private companies, boycotts would work., and wouldn't even be necessary if the private-sourced-limited liability dried up after people rejected their practices and/or crimes.

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"Why yes, yes it does. I'm sorry that you're too blind to see that monopolies and oligarchies can exist in free market capitalism."

No, no it doesn't. Monopolies and oligarchies cannot exist in free market capitalism. That is a failure of government. You're the one that's blind.


You're a lost cause.
You don't know what private is versus public.
You don't know what free market capitalism is.
You DON'T SUPPORT THE FREE SALE OF TOBACCO AMONG CONSENTING ADULTS.
You are the stupidest shit I've encountered in a while.
You are a total shame to the honor of America and freedom. I truly wouldn't miss you if you died.

(go ahead and respond, but I'm through with your bullshit.)



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"PUBLIC CORPORATIST OLIGOPOLY"

6/22/2010 12:34:49 PM

wholy kwotes

I'm AstralAdvent and i approved this message.

6/22/2010 12:35:45 PM

jesus fucking christ, whats that like 2 dozen quote boxes in one post?

6/22/2010 12:35:59 PM

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"Every single tobacco-specific law is 100% unconstitutional, 100% immoral, and 100% unnecessary. They will all be overturned, or the US will fall."

cry some more crybaby

6/22/2010 12:37:41 PM

CIGARETTES, SERIOUS BUSINESS

6/22/2010 12:37:57 PM

The quoting ITT is quite epic.

6/22/2010 12:40:52 PM

lol

6/22/2010 12:41:43 PM

Can someone tell me if this troll session is worth reading so i can add to my topics to read at work?

I'm AstralAdvent and i approved this message.

6/22/2010 12:48:16 PM

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"wholy kwotes I'm AstralAdvent and i approved this message."

I was thinking the same thing.

6/22/2010 12:58:41 PM

don't be a dragon lady ->

6/22/2010 1:21:39 PM