The National Organization for Marriage, an organization against gay couples getting married (making their name ever so clever), is doing a summer tour around parts of the nation. They're busing people to to different states, mostly in the eastern time zone, to disapprove publicly of marriage equality most recently hitting up Providence, RI. The locals created a counter-protest that was larger than the protest NOM was able to mount by busing people here. They chanted get your hate out of our state at the bussed in protesters.

Here is the counter-protest, 2 minute video:
http://ideationplantation.blogspot.com/2010/07/standing-by-love.html

I started to post this topic in the soap box. But when I saw video focused on the protest itself (rather than the larger counter protest), I realized this was definitely for a non-serious section of tdub. Here is NOM in action with their gay marriage protest:


Oh yeah, they'll be busing in to Raleigh in about a month to tell our legislators whats best for NC, so if you want to save the date for practicing your speaking in tongues in public without standing out, do it now:

7/19/2010 6:33:49 AM

so was the guy speaking in tongues for or against gay marriage

7/19/2010 6:38:46 AM

NOM NOM NOM

7/19/2010 6:41:33 AM

^He was against gay couples getting married.

I take authority over you in Jesus name!

When he threw in phrases like this with the speaking in tongues, it sounded like he's attempting a mass exorcism on the counter-protesters.

7/19/2010 6:43:39 AM

YO IMA LET YOU FINISH BUT THE MONTGOMERY BUS BOYCOTT WAS THE BEST MASS INFLUX OF NON-RESIDENT PROTESTERS OF ALL TIMES

OF ALL TIMES

7/19/2010 6:58:46 AM

lawd

7/19/2010 8:56:00 AM

who pays for shit like this and don't the people being bussed around have jobs somewhere? Hey boss, I gotta take off for a few weeks so I can go discriminate against some homos, that cool?

7/19/2010 9:19:45 AM

it's not any different than switching off work for three weeks to go play music

except for the whole instead of playing music you're spreading hate thing

7/19/2010 9:23:09 AM

religious zealots donate money to these organizations. and yes, some of these folks really do take personal time off in order to go protest. i commend them for having their beliefs and exercising their first amendment rights, but it saddens me to see these closed-minded people fighting against my desire to have something that they take for granted.

7/19/2010 9:23:25 AM

I say we abolish marriage entirely




Can we get a group to oppose the gay marriage people AND the people for only straight marriage


a three-way protest

[Edited on July 19, 2010 at 9:28 AM. Reason : light bulb]

7/19/2010 9:26:23 AM

no

7/19/2010 9:39:50 AM

NOM SUMMER TOUR

GET YO' NOM ON!

7/19/2010 9:40:34 AM

at first I was like cool they are going around marrying people all summer, like the summer of love.

Then I read it..

and was like


nvm.


I think I'll go nom some breakfast.

7/19/2010 11:10:02 AM

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"Hey boss, I gotta take off for a few weeks so I can go discriminate against some homos, that cool?"

LOL

7/19/2010 11:21:55 AM

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"who pays for shit like this and don't the people being bussed around have jobs somewhere? Hey boss, I gotta take off for a few weeks so I can go discriminate against some homos, that cool? "

Usually the way these bus tours are set up is you'll have shifts of volunteers. So John the Homophobe takes a couple days vacation time for the first leg, then Carlos the Homophobe replaces John for a few days, and Shaniqua the Homophobe takes over for Carlos, etc.

And I find it incredibly sad that people would spend their vacation time doing something like this and not relaxing at the beach or building a house for poor people in Mexico or something

7/19/2010 12:38:37 PM

psh, who wants to sip margaritas on the beach when they could be saving Ammurica from the immoral gays?

7/19/2010 12:40:54 PM

These morons should come to the Durham/Chapel hill/Carrboro area so they can be properly welcomed

7/19/2010 12:44:59 PM

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"at first I was like cool they are going around marrying people all summer, like the summer of love. Then I read it.. and was like nvm. "

Yeah, their name is pretty misleading.

Sneaky little homophobes. Wicked, tricksy, false!

Still looking for an embedable version of this counter protest video, i'll post if i can find it http://ideationplantation.blogspot.com/2010/07/standing-by-love.html
A few of my favorite counter-protest signs were RI opposed organized hate, want religious dictatorship? move to iran!, & the several straight against hate ones.


This is from another stop on their tour.
The counter protest surrounded the protest in rainbows with their umbrellas, designed to ruin the photo ops/media coverage, and gave the speaker a rainbow backdrop. Which is so perfect, I mean if all you see if a pick of a National Organization for Marriage rally full of rainbows, its going to make it look like a pro-gay marriage rally. NOM's name combined with having a lot of this rally in New England where the locals are going to consistently out rally NOM, well its just a waste of a lot of religious donations that could have gone a soup kitchen instead.

7/19/2010 4:53:07 PM

marriage should be a religious and/or social institution. if you want to draw up a legal contract to handle those aspects, you could do that, too. governments should stay out of the equation, other than the courts enforcing those contracts (if you chose to enter into them) just like they would any other contracts between people.

[Edited on July 19, 2010 at 4:59 PM. Reason : ]

7/19/2010 4:57:44 PM

^

7/19/2010 5:01:12 PM

the only groups allowed to be socially active are the ones that agree with my perspective

7/19/2010 5:14:08 PM

I want to protest the protesting of protesting the protest.

7/19/2010 5:15:21 PM

^^^Fine by me, but until they do, gay couples can still die apart b/c some hospitals still base visitation rights on marriage (even though there have been recent moves to fix that), gay couples have to get married then write up & pay for tons of legal contracts to reflect the understood legal connections of marriage (in many cases if you want approximate marriage you need separate legal documents for any state you might vacation in, & even sometimes that doesn’t work like with that lesbian couple that went on a family cruise & a mom died slowly in the hospital w/o being allowed to say goodbye to her kids), I had a friend who went to college in Canada, met her husband there, and he was able to immigrate to the us but it couldn’t have happened if it had been a gay couple, because marriage is the standard used everywhere for so many legal, marriage is the standard for certain pricing on car insurance, and so many other quasi-legal situations.

If the gov gets out of marriage then all these sorts of situations will have to be rethought, and if it’s done on contract basis for everyone, then sure, let gov get out of marriage. But NOM, the National Organization FOR Marriage already demonizes gay couples as being anti-marriage. I think most gay couples would be happy for equality to come either way, through inclusion or through contracts for everyone rather than gays pay twice (for marriage then for contracts). NOM is your main opponent here if you want gov out of marriage.

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"the only groups allowed to be socially active are the ones that agree with my perspective"

Why?

[Edited on July 19, 2010 at 5:18 PM. Reason : .]

7/19/2010 5:17:04 PM

im conservative to the point that i dont feel that the government should be sayin who should be married and who cant

so in a funny way i am pro-gay marriage

just fyi

^ask every nitwit that posted smart ass shit about this group in this thread, like "how dare they voice their opinion"

[Edited on July 19, 2010 at 5:20 PM. Reason : h]

7/19/2010 5:19:31 PM

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"i dont feel that the government should be sayin who should be married and who cant "

7/19/2010 5:20:44 PM

you aint gonna see my ass in a tutu and a rainbow towel tied around my neck with my balls oozin out of my shorts lobbyin for fag marriage tho

7/19/2010 5:22:29 PM

^^^well i'm a very first amendment kind of guy, if they want to use religious donations to bus some old folks around the country to speak in tongues at gay people rather than sponsoring a child for only $1 a day, they are completely within their rights. likewise, "every nitwit" in this thread is free to post "smart ass shit" calling them idiots for it.

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"im conservative to the point that i dont feel that the government should be sayin who should be married and who cant so in a funny way i am pro-gay marriage"

Cool by me, i wish more conservatives fell into that camp

^did you see the videos?
http://ideationplantation.blogspot.com/2010/07/standing-by-love.html
or the pics. its college students in red t shirts and people holding umbrellas

[Edited on July 19, 2010 at 5:25 PM. Reason : .]

7/19/2010 5:24:26 PM

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" theDuke866 Skipper 42384 Posts user info edit post marriage should be a religious and/or social institution. if you want to draw up a legal contract to handle those aspects, you could do that, too. governments should stay out of the equation, other than the courts enforcing those contracts (if you chose to enter into them) just like they would any other contracts between people."

I know the truth of a proposition is independent of who's making it....but I think (?) you've been rather hard done by marriage laws. that doesn't mean they don't provide benefits in other cases, though. for one thing, removing the government from marriage would, in effect, desanctify it, leading to people not taking their marriages so seriously, higher rates of divorce, etc. Just pulled that out of my ass, of course.

7/19/2010 5:25:19 PM

I'm surprised they aren't hitting up more places in the south. You would think they'd want to go places where they would probably have a warmer reception.

7/19/2010 5:26:27 PM

^^for what its worth, MA which has had marriage equality the longest, has its lowest divorce rates since pre-ww2 era, and maybe the lowest in the country too

^they are hitting up lots of places that already have some for of gay marriage, civil unions, domestic partnerships, or that don't perform them but recognize ones performed elsewhere. These are the places that offer such things, I've bolded the ones they'll be visiting:

CT, IA, MA, NH, VT, CA, CO, HI, ME, NJ, NV, OR, WA, WI, MD, RI and DC

Atlanta maybe they're hitting up b/c its a big city, of full of sin or something, Florida is a pretty welcoming place to gays so I can see why they're hitting that up too maybe, and NC is the only southern state not to tamper with its constitution on the issue of gay marriage, also the first state in the south to elect an openly gay person to public office (in the 80s I think), and we recently passed a comprehensive sex ed bill which is something most southern states have opposed, so I can see why we're a target too from an organization like this.

[Edited on July 19, 2010 at 5:42 PM. Reason : .]

7/19/2010 5:27:04 PM

lol where else they gon go to find another spouse

The Harrelson stall? if they get hitched id imagine they just hold on for dear life, most of em are swingers and in the scene anyway

7/19/2010 5:29:15 PM

^^
that is interesting
I'm for equal marriage rights, incidentally...I'm just not in favor of depoliticizing marriage, gay or straight

7/19/2010 5:30:16 PM

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"removing the government from marriage would, in effect, desanctify it"

You spelled sanctify wrong.

[Edited on July 19, 2010 at 5:30 PM. Reason : ]

7/19/2010 5:30:23 PM

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"you aint gonna see my ass in a tutu and a rainbow towel tied around my neck with my balls oozin out of my shorts lobbyin for fag marriage tho"

Glad to see you care about people's rights.

7/19/2010 5:35:05 PM

im sorry?

7/19/2010 5:35:44 PM

i found my fav part of the NOM website:
http://www.nationformarriage.org/site/c.omL2KeN0LzH/b.3480051/k.6A4D/Why_Marriage_Matters.htm

WHY MARRIAGE MATTERS

they have it in ALL the relevant languages: protestant, catholic and jew.

7/19/2010 5:35:45 PM

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" lol where else they gon go to find another spouse The Harrelson stall? if they get hitched id imagine they just hold on for dear life, most of em are swingers and in the scene anyway "

i find it funny how bigoted you are towards gay people when 60 years ago it was your minority that had to lobby for equal rights. classy

7/19/2010 5:35:54 PM

here we go with the civil rights fall-back


if i were white what would you say?? nothin


shut the fuck up

they can lobby all they want did i say they cant lobby? only people opposed to a groups right to assemble in this thread are those opposed to NOM


people can do what the hell they want and im glad but it aint my business and i dont directly support it

is that tough to understand



[Edited on July 19, 2010 at 5:39 PM. Reason : its almost along the lines of Godwinns law]

7/19/2010 5:36:49 PM

^^
that's pretty ridiculous

he has as much right to be bigoted as anyone, and you're being racist in denying him the same right you would extend to a white person

if anything, black people have more right to be bigoted

and actually, I don't see that he said anything that particularly bad...certainly nothing I would call "bigoted"



[Edited on July 19, 2010 at 5:44 PM. Reason : /]

7/19/2010 5:39:38 PM

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"if i were white what would you say?? nothin"

I'd probably expect you to be a dizzy-headed bigot if this were the case

7/19/2010 5:44:32 PM

7/19/2010 5:46:06 PM

is that devin the dude

7/19/2010 5:46:58 PM

A conservative who says gov out of marriage, contracts for all, is fine by me. If equality comes through marriage for all couples, or contracts for all couples, I figure its equality either way. Someone mentioned civil rights above, which reminded me of a soap box post I made recently in one of the 2 threads about Tea Party vs NAACP.

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"Any group that tries to advance one group of people"

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"Now, though, it isn't that we need to get rid of discriminatory laws...that's already been done. We have to get rid of "residual" racism, or "institutional racism," as you would call it."

I can't speak to the current leadership because I don't know enough, but Julian Bond was the previous Chairman from 1998 until Feb 2010 so, as far as I know, he isn't connected to any of this butting heads between the Tea Party & the NAACP since his term ended 5 months ago. Bond was pretty outspoken on getting rid of laws banning gays from marriage & service in the military. So Bond at least struck me as being interested in still getting rid of laws he saw as discriminatory, and in reaching beyond just one group.

I think it was one of his speeches about taking a broader view in which I first heard about an openly gay man who worked with MLK on civil rights issues:

Bayard Rustin

Bayard Rustin at news briefing on the Civil Rights March on Washington, August 27, 1963

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"Bayard Rustin (March 17, 1912 – August 24, 1987) was an American civil rights activist, important largely behind the scenes in the civil rights movement of the 1960s and earlier. He is credited as the chief organizer of the 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom.[1] He counseled Martin Luther King, Jr. on the techniques of nonviolent resistance. He became an advocate on behalf of gay and lesbian causes in the latter part of his career."

-wiki

7/19/2010 5:52:19 PM

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"but Julian Bond "

for a second i thought you were talkin porn

7/19/2010 5:53:33 PM

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"they can lobby all they want did i say they cant lobby? only people opposed to a groups right to assemble in this thread are those opposed to NOM"

i think most people voicing an anti-NOM sentiment in this thread are saying that they disagree with their message, not their right to share their message.

7/19/2010 5:59:27 PM

For what its worth, I really think that we are only a decade or so away from this being a completely non-issue. All the polling shows its the old people who oppose this the most strongly, some in some sense its a matter of waiting it out.


(Milk movie trailer)


(an actual Harvey Milk speech)

I think that is the greatest proof that it wont be that much longer. We've gone from the first openly gay man elected to major office being assassinated in California in the 70s, to having openly gay people holding office all over NC whether it be the state senate, county commissioners, mayors, judges, city councils, aldermen, police chiefs, school boards, conservation boards, and so forth. Heck, you can't get a smaller town than Franklinton, NC, and they have an openly gay mayor.

7/19/2010 6:04:13 PM

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"Atlanta maybe they're hitting up b/c its a big city, of full of sin or something,"

For what its worth, Atlanta has a pretty big and politically active gay population. I can't see NOM receiving a warm welcome here. On the other hand, I can't see Georgia ever passing a gay marriage provision either.

[Edited on July 19, 2010 at 6:06 PM. Reason : .]

7/19/2010 6:05:37 PM

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"All the polling shows its the old people who oppose this the most strongly, some in some sense its a matter of waiting it out. "

It's pretty funny we let old people run our fucking lives when they survive based on our charity and tolerance

7/19/2010 6:06:51 PM

^
I agree. I've long thought there should be more publicity of issue-polling by age group.
If we can show that support or opposition to some issue comes nearly unanimously from 65+ year-olds, we should say to them, "Hey. This is inevitable -- stop holding us up."

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"For what its worth, I really think that we are only a decade or so away from this being a completely non-issue"

There's still polygamy....

[Edited on July 19, 2010 at 6:16 PM. Reason : ]

7/19/2010 6:15:30 PM

I don't approve of homosexuality or gay marriage just like them. But they miss the point of, it doesn't matter what I think.



Gay marriage does not dissolve any of the religious aspects of other peoples marriages, so frankly if homosexuals want to get married it's not my problem. I guess I can understand why other people would be getting upset and that's because of the sheer religious aspect of marriage and what it is supposed to represent.However, I don't think having a priest preside over the ceremony would be very wise either since it's not scriptural.

/endmytwocents

7/19/2010 6:24:38 PM