Found in the Providence, Rhode Island rants and raves:

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" 1. It has been stated that Hitler put to death about 38 million people. Since the Jews who were put to death comprised only about one-fifth of that number (approximately 6 million), why is the Holocaust called a "Jewish Holocaust"? 2. Why are the Jews who perceive the Holocaust as the greatest injustice in history and who continue to actively seek world condemnation, punishment and death for people who participated in the Holocaust absolutely refuse to cry out against the United States for the legalization of the murder of innocent human embryos and fetuses being slaughtered through abortion? The deaths the Nazi Regime caused have ceased, while America continues to murder over a million human embryos and fetuses a year. America also is the foremost nation seeking to cause other nations to embrace abortion. Why do the Jews see Hitler as the greater monster when the Nazi regime did what it did in time of war, while America's murders exceed the Nazi in numbers and heinousness in time of peace? All of the murdered persons in their embryonic and fetus stages are far more innocent than any one of the adult Jews who were put to death by Hitler. In fact, many of those Jews were high criminals. Why do the Jews not vent any anger towards and seek the punishment or death of legislators, leaders, the people who are members of abortion special interest groups and etc. who have been instrumental in having abortion legalized? Why do they not seek the punishment of abortion doctors and other who have and are participating in a Holocaust more heinous than that which took place by the hands of the Germans? And why is there not a single Jew who has created an anti-abortion organization or is not a member of such an organization? Is it because many who are slaughtering the innocent people who are in their most helpless and vulnerable stages in which humans can be are Jews ? 3. When non "Jews" speak against "Jews", it is almost always interpreted as Anti-Semitism. The question therefore is: When Jews speak against "Jews" as the apostle Paul spoke against the Jews in the Bible, what is that called? 4. God spoke to Abraham and said, "No longer shall your name be called Abram (exalted father), but your name shall be Abraham (father of a multitude); for I will make you the father of a multitude of nations" (Genesis 17:5). What did God mean when He said, "...I will make you the father of a multitude of nations"? 5. If the Jews are God's favorite people, why are the vast majority of Jews in hell who have died? If they are god's favorite people and ninety-nine percent of all who have died are in hell, doesn't that indicate that satan was the god that favored them? "

This was offensive, inaccurate, and incredibly hilarious.

8/15/2010 7:03:00 PM

fun facts about the holocaust itt

8/15/2010 7:05:29 PM

I thought this thread was made by rallydurham

8/15/2010 7:06:32 PM

Not sure what you were expecting by reading the CL rants and raves sections, but you already got pretty damn lucky: a coherent post that didn't start off by ranting about The Liberals, and the spelling, grammar, and capitalization are pretty damn good for craigslist.

IOW, STFU.

[Edited on August 15, 2010 at 7:07 PM. Reason : christixtine]

8/15/2010 7:07:26 PM

it doesn't even address the important issue of jews' insatiable greed

8/15/2010 7:09:26 PM

jews can't go to hell. it's not in our part of the good book.

8/15/2010 7:38:11 PM

how did he get accurate reports as to who and how many went to hell

8/15/2010 7:41:03 PM

exit polls

8/15/2010 7:51:48 PM

^hahhahaha

8/15/2010 8:03:17 PM

Providence! My new neighbors. Maybe I need to browse CL here more often.

8/15/2010 9:15:04 PM

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"exit polls"

bwahahaha

8/15/2010 9:22:22 PM

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"CAN BE ARE JEWS"

also

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"why are the vast majority of Jews in hell who have died?"

he has a good point.

[Edited on August 15, 2010 at 10:27 PM. Reason : ...]

8/15/2010 10:24:16 PM

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"ninety-nine percent of all who have died are in hell"

who composes the remaining 1%?

8/15/2010 11:31:14 PM

...no one really believes the bear jew is a golem.

8/16/2010 12:04:49 AM

This was offensive, inaccurate, and incredibly hilarious.

8/16/2010 10:40:44 AM

looks like salisburyboy found a new home.

8/16/2010 1:53:39 PM

Is this person really trying to say that Satan was the god of the Jews?


It looks like this person read a chapter in Genesis then one of the epistles of Paul.


When King David and King Solomon spoke out against certain tribes of the Jews what was that called? They make it seem like the disciples of Jesus were the first people to speak out against the tribes of Israel.




Also,

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"jews can't go to hell. it's not in our part of the good book."

It's called Sheol.

8/16/2010 2:58:37 PM

JEWS DID 9/11

8/16/2010 5:47:09 PM

^^ Sheol is not really analogous to Hell. there's no punishment involved in Sheol. Jews don't have a Hell as Christians imagine it.

8/16/2010 6:17:33 PM

Our relationship with G-d is also different than how Christians imagine it

8/16/2010 6:20:33 PM

Hell is not given that name from The Bible. It's called Sheol in Hebrew and Hades in the Greek.

It is merely renamed to hell with a lot of common versions. For example:



2 Peter 2:4
New International Version (©1984)
"For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;"

Darby Bible Translation
"For if God spared not the angels who had sinned, but having cast them down to the deepest pit of gloom has delivered them to chains of darkness to be kept for judgment;"



In that reference to the deepest pit is renamed Hell in most cases. This is just one of the many references in the Old Testament.


"Drought and heat consume snow waters; so doth Sheol those that have sinned."
Job 24:19


Psalm 30:3

New International Version (©1984)
"O LORD, you brought me up from the grave; you spared me from going down into the pit."

Darby Bible Translation
"Jehovah, thou hast brought up my soul from Sheol, thou hast quickened me from among those that go down to the pit."


A definition of Sheol from Strong's concordance: "underworld (place to which people descend at death)."

A definition of Hades from Strong's concordance:"Hades, the abode of departed spirits"

Hell is never explicitly mentioned in either the Old Testament or the New Testament. So you're right Jews don't believe in Hell. Call it Sheol or Hades, it makes no difference. The end result is somewhere not good.

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"Our relationship with G-d is also different than how Christians imagine it"

How's that?


[Edited on August 16, 2010 at 6:37 PM. Reason : Wall O' Text.]

8/16/2010 6:34:14 PM

I kind of feel sorry for the people who really do believe abortion is murder, thats got to bother the hell out of you if you really think thousands of babies are getting killed all the time, I can think a little more logically about the situation but some people just can't

8/16/2010 7:29:26 PM

whats with "G-d"?
i didnt get the memo on this

8/16/2010 7:51:49 PM

I've never seen it before either. I think it looks like an abbreviation for God D%^$.

8/16/2010 7:52:47 PM

This has been explained many times before. In Hebrew, G-d's true name is never spoken or spelled out. Although god in the sense that Zeus is a god and Vishnu is a god is not the name of G-d, it is just a respectful way of translating it.

8/16/2010 8:51:52 PM

[Edited on August 16, 2010 at 10:35 PM. Reason : .]

8/16/2010 10:31:32 PM

It's basically a load of horeseshit.

[Edited on August 16, 2010 at 10:35 PM. Reason : ^^^]

8/16/2010 10:34:18 PM

Well seeing as God is written as El, Eloa and Elohim in the Old Testament and not as the tetragrammaton (YHWH) I don't see how writing G-d is respectful to God. If God didn't want people to know his name, he wouldn't have revealed it. The original pronunciation of YHWH is lost anyway, so I doubt there would be anyone to "offend" God. And if that is the case why do Psalms have all the names of God, YHWH, and Lord mentioned within them. Where in the Hebrew of the Old Testament is God's true name not spelled out?

8/17/2010 4:27:18 PM

You know that "Elohim" is God as a title not as a name, right?

Jews don't say the name. It's kind of our thing.

[Edited on August 17, 2010 at 4:48 PM. Reason : .]

8/17/2010 4:48:02 PM

this kinda shit used to make me angry

now it just makes me sad

8/17/2010 4:50:07 PM

I'm aware that Elohim is the title of God, just as there is a distinction between satan for adversary and Satan for the great adversary. I find it interesting that people try to put such a large gap between Judaism and Christianity when Christianity should be a continuation of the original law and a fulfillment of the promise of God.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

Matthew 5:17

I have lots of respect for the Jews, because they represent the tribes of Israel and still worship the God of Abraham.

/soapbox

8/17/2010 4:58:59 PM

^Allah is more like the god of Abraham then the Christian version.

8/17/2010 7:27:21 PM

What's the Christian version?

Now I'm really interested.

Do you mean the Christian version of the God of Abraham?

Are you implying that Christians do not worship the God of Abraham?

[Edited on August 17, 2010 at 7:33 PM. Reason : ]

8/17/2010 7:28:35 PM

Sheol is an entirely different concept than Hell. Sheol is simply the abode of the dead, without any type of punishment. Some Jews believe the soul waits there until the resurrection that will occur during the messianic age to come. Hell is a greek invention that became popular in the so-called intertestamental times, but was jettisoned after Rabbinical Judaism became the dominant force following the second destruction of the Temple in the 2nd Century CE

Darby is a lousy translation if you're ever trying to do biblical exegesis.

Elohim means, literally, "gods". yes, plural. in any case it is not a proper name like Yahweh.

Jews have been purposely not pronouncing the proper name of God for at least 2500 years. The tetragrammaton (YHWH) is always intentionally written in an archaic script, and the vowel intonation marks are made above YHWH to indicate to the reader to *not* pronounce Yahweh, but instead pronounce the word "adonai" which means "LORD".

Hence in most modernt translations of the Old Testament you see the words rendered "THE LORD" in large capital fonts. this is acutally where the Tetragrammaton occurs in the original texts. You can even physically go see this alternate script being employed in the Dead Sea Scrolls, such as in 1QIsa the Great Scroll of Isaiah, written in he 2nd Century BCE .

Interestingly, hundreds of years ago German scholars believed that the vowel marks around YHWH were the actual vowel markings to pronounce the name of God, and thus merged vowels for "adonai" with the consonants for "Yahweh" and wound up with the nonsensical word "Jehovah"

Observant Jews (and some christian sects like Seventh Day Adventists) today continue the observance of not pronouncing the name of god. And many take it to the logical extreme of not writing even the the word "God", lest it be tossed into the wastebasket (real or virtual) like so many mundane words. it's regarded a sign of respect to the divine.

Personally, and don't get me wrong I like me some Jews as much as the next goy, I think this extreme is kind of silly and perhaps even a bit pretentious even if unintentionally so.





[Edited on August 17, 2010 at 8:29 PM. Reason : ]

8/17/2010 8:19:17 PM

I think Hell is too misconstrued by culture to be accurately discussed. However, there is a definite absence of God in both Hades and Sheol.

But I certainly agree with what you said about Jehovah and Adonai. It's difficult to decipher things of that nature. I'm a little surprised Jews don't say God also. Is there a reference to this anywhere in the books of the law?

8/17/2010 8:24:47 PM

I believe it's prohibited in the Mishnah and/or other Rabbinical texts. Rabbinical Judaism traces its roots back to the Pharaisees, and in this case supporting archaeological evidence shows this practice of revering the written *proper name* of god was in place even as far back as the 2nd Century BCE.

so they're allowed to say "God", "Lord", etc.... just not Yahweh.

But I really don't buy the argument that extends to not writing the word "God" and having to abbreviate it as "G-d" -- yet they can *say* the word "God" all day long.... It seems internally inconsistent.





[Edited on August 17, 2010 at 8:41 PM. Reason : ]

8/17/2010 8:34:35 PM

I don't do it because of any law, I just do it because I feel its right. It really doesn't matter what is said in English, I just think its a cool concept to carry over the tradition since "god" is the only equivalent there is. I don't care if other people do or don't. Just like you guys shouldn't care that much that I do.

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"Are you implying that Christians do not worship the God of Abraham?"

Sort of. I'm implying that the god of the New Testament is not the same as the one in the Hebrew Bible. You call it the same, but its not.

8/17/2010 10:12:58 PM

Christians, Jews, and Muslims all worship the same God, just different ideas about the Christian Messiah and prophets.

[Edited on August 17, 2010 at 10:16 PM. Reason : ]

8/17/2010 10:14:16 PM

Except Jews and Muslims don't have a Messiah...

8/17/2010 10:14:41 PM

Christians, Jews, and Muslims all worship the same nonexistent God...

8/17/2010 10:43:18 PM

HITLER WAS RIGHT.

DOUGHNUTS ARE DELICIOUS!

8/17/2010 10:44:47 PM

How I perceive G-d to be exists to me. People who don't believe merely don't believe in what they think/feel/are told G-d is.

8/17/2010 10:48:22 PM

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"People who don't believe merely don't believe in what they think/feel/are told G-d is."

No. I believe there are no gods.

8/17/2010 10:51:30 PM

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"when Christianity should be a continuation of the original law and a fulfillment of the promise of God. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.""

i'm not sure you are understanding exactly the deeper implications of the fulfilling part

8/17/2010 10:53:11 PM

Considering that in the act of "fulfillment" a lot of the laws and prophets were in fact abolished.

8/18/2010 8:49:02 AM

I've spoken to a lot of Jews who say they are waiting for the Messiah. But I don't know much about Jewish beliefs. Besides whats in the OT. Seeing as no one is quoting from there own respective holy texts anyway, I'm not going to argue anymore.

8/18/2010 12:00:25 PM

The Hebrew text isn't very clear on what the "messiah" is. The English translation attached to most copies of the Christian Bible say it the way Christians want it to be interpreted (all signs pointing to Jesus). So essentially it is up to personal interpretation.

My take is that G-d is not responsible for the pain and suffering in this world, but people are through the bad choices we have made (free choice and all). Therefor, it is not G-d's responsibility to send us a savior to get us through the hard work of fixing the world in which we live. We were given the job of caring for the world and we fucked up, so we have to make it better with our own efforts (we don't pray to G-d to do these things, instead we ask for the strength to do it ourselves). When we learn to stop hating, destroying, killing, etc., then the Messianic Age will be upon us. The Messianic Age notes the marriage of Moshiach (which became the English messiah) and Shechinah, the male and female aspects of G-d (think of it like the meeting of Father Time and Mother Nature, a theme which is repeated across many cultures). This is also considered to be the marriage of Heaven and Earth (Shechinah being the world we live in, and the part of G-d which we can experience in this realm). The marriage happens in the plane of existence which we are currently in, bringing heaven to earth as the two become one.

So ultimately the reason why Judaism does not teach of Hell as a punishment is because our lives aren't spent trying to get into Heaven like the Christians, instead our lives are meant to bring Heaven closer to Earth. There are many steps between Earth and Heaven, as Kabbalah teaches of a Ladder of Light, an extension of the Tree of Life, which is very similar to the eastern concepts of chakras when transposed over the image of a human body:



Each step of the ladder brings us closer to Moshiach. It isn't a stretch to say kindness, wisdom, understanding, thought, mercy, severity, emotion, and heart mark the path to bringing Heaven to Earth.

Translation guide:
1 = Crown (Heaven)
2= Wisdom
3= Understanding
4= Mercy
5 = Severity
6= Heart
7 = Emotion
8 = Heart
9 = Identity
10 = Body (Earth)

You need the support of the bottom most steps in order to achieve the top. I think a lot of you can appreciate the idea that understanding and wisdom are the final steps. The reason why there is a gap between the heart and the crown is because that isn't enough to reach the top. Sometimes an extra step is added in the middle called knowledge, but it is considered a trap. If you try to reach the top by only taking the middle path (Body, Identity, Heart, Crown), it is said you will fall into the abyss of knowledge if you do not first learn wisdom and understanding.

Another symbol to consider that might be a little more familiar to most of you:


This sign of medicine and healing, although often attributed to the Greeks, bears a striking resemblance to the ladder itself, as each snake crosses the ladder to reach the top. It is an easy comparison to say that medicine takes the same path, needing to understand each step of the ladder in order to achieve its goal.

[Edited on August 18, 2010 at 11:10 PM. Reason : -]

8/18/2010 10:57:06 PM

8/18/2010 10:59:04 PM

8/19/2010 1:47:41 AM

^Sounds about right.

8/19/2010 7:01:21 PM