I understand when and how the rule is applied on the penalty, but what is the point? If you're on the 10 yard line and get commit a 15 yard penalty, the ball should be placed as close to the goal line as possible, instead of the 5.

Please make your case for the current rule.

11/5/2010 9:18:42 PM

Don't commit no penalties
Won't be no penalties.

11/5/2010 9:19:50 PM

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"get commit"

11/5/2010 9:22:13 PM

American Football has to have the most inconsistent application of penalties to some of the most bizarre of rules of any sport.

Why a restriction on how many people are on the line of scrimmage? Why a restriction on how many people can break the huddle? Why does a knee down end a play but the holder can have his knee down? Why can a kicker be offsides when he kicks the ball? Why can 1 guy be moving when the ball is snapped?

You're going to say that everyone has to be still as shit...but umm, ok, one guy can be moving..but but, not forward...no, not forward when the ball is snapped? Really? Fucking really?

11/5/2010 9:24:56 PM

Football looks like 6 year olds playing soccer

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11/5/2010 9:26:11 PM

^I am going to act like I understand that and that it was not a shitty post. And go.

11/5/2010 9:33:44 PM

soccer is a bunch of fags running after a ball

11/5/2010 9:38:38 PM

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"Why can a kicker be offsides when he kicks the ball?"

??

Seven men on the line of scrimmage

http://www.sundaymorningqb.com/2008/2/14/22223/3405

No motion is allowed towards teh line of scrimmage because it's puts the defensive backs and linebackers at a disadvantage to the receiver. It's allowed in arena football...and it sucks.

# players breaking the huddle is flagged becuase coaches could trot 17 players out there...line up in 8 wide with only 2 cornerbacks to cover them (one on each side of the field)...run all of the receivers off on one side really quick...snap the ball... and be able to have a 3 WR vs 1 CB matchup on one side of the field. The defense will always have a chance to line up and defend the offense fairly if you limit the players that can break the huddle without any gimmicks. Only motion and shifting are legal in that sense



Football is the perfect sport.


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11/5/2010 11:40:20 PM

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"No motion is allowed towards teh line of scrimmage because it's puts the defensive backs and linebackers at a disadvantage to the receiver. It's allowed in arena football...and it sucks. "

Ok, why not let more than one guy do it?

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Most of the time, a guy kicking off will put his plant foot in an offsides position.

Look, football is my favorite sport, but that doesn't mean many of the rules and penalties are just...bizarre.

11/5/2010 11:50:05 PM

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"Ok, why not let more than one guy do it? "

More than one guy can do it, just not at the same time.

Again, I think that goes back to "giving the defense a fair chance". If not, coaches would just have all of thier receivers running around in circles and parallel to the line of scrimmage before hiking the ball. I'd guess creative coaches could set up picks where the CB's got tangled up with each other.

IMO, that was applied becuase it would be too easy for the offense if you could just shift anyone at any time

11/5/2010 11:54:20 PM

11/5/2010 11:56:29 PM

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"Most of the time, a guy kicking off will put his plant foot in an offsides position. "

Likewise, the Centers head and torso are usually past the tip of the ball as well.

As far as your "Why can the holders knee touch and he isn't down" question, I've pondered that one before, too. I came to the conclusion that he isn't actually "posessing" the ball..works for me

I agree with you, it's a strange sport with its rules...but it is absolutely strangely fantastic

[Edited on November 5, 2010 at 11:57 PM. Reason : ]

11/5/2010 11:56:48 PM

You know what doesn't have these problems? Hockey.

11/6/2010 12:02:48 AM

There is a special rule for the holder to have his knee down and not be "down". If he wants to do anything else besides hold the ball (like run a fake FG) he has to raise up off his knee before handing, passing, etc or else he would be ruled down.

For the OP, I guess the reasoning is that you don't want to award a score for a penalty, which is virtually what you would be doing if the place the ball an inch away from the goal line. The NFL DPI penalty is the exception, but I hate that penalty anyway...it's too much.

11/6/2010 1:21:23 AM

I've often wondered what would happen if you just kept encroaching again and again and again

11/6/2010 1:26:48 AM

^ It would be considered an "unfair act" and the ref could just award the score. I've never seen that happen though.

11/6/2010 1:31:06 AM

In the pros, if a defensive player commits a pass interference penalty, the ball is placed at the spot of the foul and the team is awarded an automatic first down. If an offensive player commits the same penalty it is only a 10 yard foul. That's kind of disparaging when you think of a QB chucking up a 50 yard pass, and the receiver and DB fighting for the ball. This penalty is often really subjective, but much more severe for the defense. I really think it should be a 15 yard penalty and loss of down.

11/6/2010 1:51:06 AM

[quote] You know what doesn't have these problems? Hockey.


Hockey is cool. But I would enjoy it alot more if I could see the puck better. Half the time, I have no clue where it is. Especially on t.v. That highlighted puck thing they tried a few years ago sucked so maybe make'em bright orange or something, I dunno.

11/6/2010 4:32:29 AM

I've never had any trouble seeing the puck. I don't understand why people do. I mean, the first one or two games you might have trouble following it, but then you learn where it tends to go, you follow the action and anticipate where the puck is going. It's not hard.

11/6/2010 9:09:41 AM

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"In the pros, if a defensive player commits a pass interference penalty, the ball is placed at the spot of the foul and the team is awarded an automatic first down. If an offensive player commits the same penalty it is only a 10 yard foul. That's kind of disparaging "

The penalty is committed beyond the line of scrimmage. If the OPI happens 50 yards down field, it should be 50 yards on the offense?

11/6/2010 9:13:19 AM

I love football, and tend to agree that almost every rule is in place for safety or fairness, and it works for the most part. That's how on Any Given Sunday the under dog could walk away with the victory. Panthers excluded obviously

11/6/2010 10:24:55 AM

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"The penalty is committed beyond the line of scrimmage. If the OPI happens 50 yards down field, it should be 50 yards on the offense?"

No, I think it should always be a 15 yard penalty and loss of down. By committing offensive pass interference, the offensive player is effectively preventing the defensive player from getting an interception by doing something illegal. 10 yards is only a "slap on the wrist" in comparison to the potential interception.

11/6/2010 11:32:20 AM

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"the offensive player is effectively preventing the defensive player from getting an interception"

Not always. It could just be a push off to get separation.

11/6/2010 11:44:11 AM

I always thought that was (or should be) called as illegal contact, not pass interference. I could be wrong on that though.

11/6/2010 11:45:29 AM

american football is fun to watch, but it's rules are really shitty.

I can only assume that the rules are made by the same money hogs that illegally recruit players, which is another bullshit rule.

11/6/2010 11:45:58 AM

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"10 yards is only a "slap on the wrist" in comparison to the potential interception."

a 10-yard loss for the offense still really sucks.

11/6/2010 1:38:51 PM

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"I always thought that was (or should be) called as illegal contact, not pass interference. I could be wrong on that though."

If the ball is in the air it's offensive pass interference

11/6/2010 2:53:27 PM