just curious.

12/14/2010 6:16:04 PM

those guys wear Tap Out shirts a lot.

12/14/2010 6:17:04 PM

Is that the Russian version of ACDC?

12/14/2010 6:19:04 PM

ive read almost all of Pihkal

12/14/2010 6:25:19 PM

Well, I once hugged some trees on Dan Allen Drive.

12/14/2010 6:25:39 PM

tell me what you know about night terrors

12/14/2010 6:25:51 PM

more than i know about LMFAO and less than I know about MGMT

12/14/2010 6:27:11 PM

They're like 10 times more potent if you keister them

12/14/2010 6:27:20 PM

my friend found a pretty considerable amount of molly in a bag at bonnaroo just laying on the ground

12/14/2010 7:01:49 PM

Man Dickin' Man's Ass?

12/14/2010 7:03:14 PM

I used to do my personal banking with them.

12/14/2010 7:04:17 PM

I ain't saying nothing.

12/14/2010 7:07:40 PM

15 years ago I was the only person I knew that didnt take it just about every time we went out

15 years later I know no one that takes it

12/14/2010 7:14:47 PM

pure MDMA is wonderful

12/14/2010 7:35:14 PM

12/14/2010 7:36:39 PM

i know a tad...let me share

MDMA (3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine) (colloquially known as ecstasy, often abbreviated "E" or "X") is an entactogenic drug of the phenethylamine and amphetamine class of drugs.

MDMA can induce euphoria, a sense of intimacy with others, and diminished anxiety and depression. Many, particularly in the fields of psychology and cognitive therapy, have suggested MDMA might have therapeutic benefits and facilitate therapy sessions in certain individuals, a practice which it had formally been used for in the past. Clinical trials are now testing the therapeutic potential of MDMA for post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) and anxiety associated with terminal cancer.[3][4]

MDMA is criminalized in most countries under a United Nations (U.N.) agreement,[5] and its possession, manufacture, or sale may result in criminal prosecution, although some limited exceptions exist for scientific and medical research. MDMA is one of the most widely used recreational drugs in the world and is taken in a variety of contexts far removed from its roots in psychotherapeutic settings. It is commonly associated with dance parties (or "raves") and electronic dance music.[6]

There have been debates within scientific, health care, and drug policy circles about the risks of MDMA, specifically the possibility of neurotoxic damage to the central nervous system (CNS). Regulatory authorities in several locations around the world have approved scientific studies administering MDMA to humans to examine its therapeutic potential and its effects.[7]

Continuing to study the substance in clinical trials, the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies released the following statement in October 2008, "We found that low doses of MDMA (between 50 and 75 mg) were both psychologically and physiologically safe for all the subjects. Future studies in larger samples and using larger doses are needed in order to further clarify the safety and efficacy of MDMA in the clinical setting in subjects with PTSD."[8]

12/14/2010 8:27:27 PM

MDMA is the same thing as meth, enjoy your meth you dirty meth heads

12/14/2010 8:29:06 PM

OMF POT IS LIKE THE SAME THING AS CRACK!!1



Anyone who's ever had pure MDMA can tell you that it's pretty benign. Dirty pills cut with meth are another story- not worth touching. I wish people weren't so misinformed and stupid.

12/14/2010 11:35:15 PM

it's always good to split a pill with a girl :p

12/14/2010 11:39:09 PM

^^"benign" is dose dependent. the drug happens to be a strong stimulant on it's own, so pills being cut with meth isn't as common as people thinking their pills were cut with meth.

The hilarity ensues when people swear that their pills are cut with heroin.

12/14/2010 11:48:28 PM

mdma got you feeling like a champion

12/15/2010 12:30:00 AM

bunch of candy flippers in here

12/15/2010 12:37:12 AM

50 to 75 mg it is then...

12/15/2010 1:46:33 AM

Quote :

"The hilarity ensues when people swear that their pills are cut with heroin."

nobody cuts MDMA with heroin. or cocaine. or lsd.

mdma/meth or mdma/amp is common because a lot of people actually prefer this combo to molly. E will make wanna you dance all night, molly will floor your ass and make you wanna lie on the couch all night.

12/15/2010 1:52:34 AM

Quote :

"molly will floor your ass and make you wanna lie on the couch all night."

this is only true if you take too much

12/15/2010 3:19:50 AM

Anybody know where to get a shit ton of sassofras oil?

12/15/2010 10:12:04 AM

ask huff.

12/15/2010 10:16:26 AM

Quote :

"Anyone who's ever had pure MDMA can tell you that it's pretty benign. Dirty pills cut with meth are another story- not worth touching. I wish people weren't so misinformed and stupid"

stupid maybe, misinformed no, you are correct to say that i've never had pure MDMA which is essentially in my opinion meth, but unlike you i dont base it on how hard i rolled, no, i go to medical journals, thats right, people who have done medical research on the subject and i usually view their oppinion as general fact

Quote :

"Methamphetamine (METH) and its derivative 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA; ecstasy) are 2 substituted amphetamines with very high abuse liability in the United States."

http://www.aapsj.org/view.asp?art=aapsj080238

[Edited on December 15, 2010 at 10:21 AM. Reason : duh]

12/15/2010 10:19:51 AM

Quote :

"derivative"

So does that mean they are the same thing?

12/15/2010 10:21:24 AM

Quote :

"2 substituted amphetamines with very high abuse liability in the United States.""

alright, last i am going to say about this because i'm not going to convince anyone anyway; MDMA is basically meth (some small differences) but it is not benign, not safe in anyway, and you are an idiot if you take it...

that being said, i'm not going to judge anyone who does take it, i'm not a cop and its your decesion, go ahead, rot your brain

[Edited on December 15, 2010 at 10:25 AM. Reason : a]

12/15/2010 10:22:29 AM

It makes everything glitter--OR SO I HEAR

12/15/2010 10:23:44 AM

Quote :

"# So, why does MDMA contain “methamphetamine” in its title? It is because the central part of both molecules are similar. Crudely speaking, MDMA could be looked at as a “derivative” of methamphetamine although the two drugs are very different compounds. For example, 1,3,5-trinitrobenzene (TNT), a high explosive, and chlorobenzene, a non-flammable solvent, both have benzene in the name but the two compounds are completely different. "

12/15/2010 10:24:24 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgpGGP4Alps

12/15/2010 11:17:48 AM

I realize this thread is about those who have tried MDMA.... which I have not. Hear me out, maybe I can offer some insight.

I am in outside sales, which is currently salary+commission, but will move into straight commission starting at the beginning of July 2010. I have been in this position since July 2009. I have competition from several direct manufacturing sales reps, large distributors, and local distributors. Here are the advantages and disadvantages of each:

Direct Advantages: Immediate knowledge of new technology, no middle man mark up, one shipping bill (paid by manufacturer or buyer of goods), access to larger range of non-commodity items, control inventory, have access to many distributors that can effectively sell their goods which increases market share, and set prices of commodity they manufacture.

Direct disadvantages: Typically have 1-3 sales reps per region (i.e. southeast, mid-atlantic, northeast, etc.) limiting the number of accounts they can successfully manage/cold-call, lack physical customer service or physical technical service available to or affordable for smaller users or altogether, are sometimes not trustworthy because they will go in behind their distributors that sell their commodity to one account in large quantities (i.e. they missed a big account, and have found out about it through a distributor selling their particular product) which leads to the distributor not selling their product anymore, have too many distributors selling the product ultimately driving the set price down through deviations, possibly rely on distributors to actually sell the product, and competition from other direct sources.

Large distributor advantages: have access to other commodities that go hand in hand with other manufacturers (poor example- grocery stores sell milk as well as cereal), get direct pricing, many locations regionally or nationally easing the shipping burden of buyers with multiple locations, personal service either customer or technical, many sales reps that are able to cover a broader territory, access to multiple manufacturers of the same commodity allowing to keep prices in check, service programs that smaller companies can't offer and direct providers can't match in price or value, and experts of many many commodities as opposed to one or a few.

Large distributor disadvantages: smaller local distributors creating price wars (think Michael Scott Paper Co vs Dunder-Mifflin), direct mfg's going in behind and stealing business, limited access to all of the mfg's (you won't find Harris Teeter name brands in Food Lion and visa versa), can't truly set prices because it's based on both supply and demand, territory management, and tough growth prospects in slower economies (this is true for direct as well really)

Local distributor advantages: Typically a good ol' boy setting where the seller and the buyer know each other for years (this does happen at all levels, but mostly at the local level), local folks are right down the street and can be used in emergencies, if the local guy buys at high enough volumes then there is no shipping charge to the end user, and access to both direct mfg's and large distributors.

Local distributor disadvantages: easily beaten in price, array of commodities, array of technology, lack of trained staff, low cash flow, etc etc etc.

This is what I have noticed in my six months, I am sure there are plenty more that need mentioning. The way I am setting myself apart as a sales person is this: I go after the big accounts right now while I am new. The big accounts, if I land them, will take care of me while I am new and building a customer base. The money made off of those allows me to focus free time on smaller accounts that get me higher margins. I build up big accounts, I would like to have 5-10 of these, then get 20-30 medium accounts. If I lose 1 or 2 big accounts, the 20-30 medium accounts keep me afloat while I go after new big accounts. I don't really waste time on small accounts simply because they basically pay for breakfast or something really small.

I will say this, if you can't get a big account in the first 6-8 months (assuming you have cash flow that you can ride this long) you could be in a world of trouble. If you can get one, it will really make going after the others a lot more enjoyable and less stressful. It's simply just very exhausting wasting any time on anything other than big accounts in the very beginning. You work just as hard on the medium sized accounts and see 1/3 to 1/36 of the money in my situation.

If you have any other questions, you can PM me. I hope this helps in the slightest!

12/15/2010 11:26:06 AM

Quote :

"What do you know about MDMA?"

Don't take it when you're alone with your dog.
You'll wake up the next day hating yourself.

12/15/2010 11:30:01 AM

Quote :

"MDMA is basically meth (some small differences) but it is not benign, not safe in anyway, and you are an idiot if you take it... "

you do know that MDMA is being used for PTSD victims and cancer patients in clinicals trials, right?

so you're saying that all of these patients and doctors are idiots?

12/15/2010 11:43:21 AM

Is MDMA to X what salvia is to weed?

12/15/2010 11:49:47 AM

Quote :

"Anybody know where to get a shit ton of sassofras oil? "

Just go find a bunch of sassafras trees, pull up the roots, and steam distill them. It's the wrong time of year to be getting oil from them though.

12/15/2010 12:01:52 PM

Quote :

"Is MDMA to X what salvia is to weed?"

MDMA is to X what X is to MDMA. They're the same thing.

12/15/2010 12:09:50 PM

Oh.

I thought it was X mixed with meth.

12/15/2010 12:41:05 PM

Quote :

"alright, last i am going to say about this because i'm not going to convince anyone anyway; MDMA is basically meth (some small differences) but it is not benign, not safe in anyway, and you are an idiot if you take it... that being said, i'm not going to judge anyone who does take it, i'm not a cop and its your decesion, go ahead, rot your brain"

you realize there are also studies that say it is perfectly safe at the right doses, and that it is generally considered safer than alcohol?

http://www.maps.org/research/mdma/mdmapressrelease.html

12/15/2010 1:12:02 PM

naw dude. MDMA= meth

crazy_carl, who's never even taken it, says so

12/15/2010 1:18:57 PM

I know, or at least am confident, that I've never gotten pure MDMA

but I also know that the knock-off, almost MDMA, ecstasy that I'm able to get a hold of is always an awesome experience (even that time I passed out at a concert)

the following days' comedown can be tough, though

[Edited on December 15, 2010 at 1:20 PM. Reason : ...]

12/15/2010 1:20:29 PM

lol now MDMA = meth

learn somethin new erryday i SPOSE

12/15/2010 1:27:12 PM

Found a really good summary of all of the different studies

http://www.maps.org/research/mdma/gamma2000.pdf

So it is possible that continuous use can cause memory problems, but if your usage is under 3-400g a month (3-4 doses), there should be no noticeable effects. Really, you shouldn't be taking it more than 4-6 weeks anyways, because it sucks up your serotonin and you need time to replenish.

This is an old article, though, and at the time there were no clinical trials, only animal testing and studies on previous users. Human clinical trials are needed for confirmation.

Wikipedia:

Quote :

"Continuing to study the substance in clinical trials, the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies released the following statement in October 2008, "We found that low doses of MDMA (between 50 and 75 mg) were both psychologically and physiologically safe for all the subjects. Future studies in larger samples and using larger doses are needed in order to further clarify the safety and efficacy of MDMA in the clinical setting in subjects with PTSD."[8]"

[Edited on December 15, 2010 at 1:43 PM. Reason : .]

12/15/2010 1:39:55 PM

it doesn't matter

crazy_carl's opinion trumps whatever nonsense is in that report

12/15/2010 1:54:12 PM

Quote :

"ive read almost all of Pihkal"

gaadamnit i wish i could find my copy

12/15/2010 2:03:14 PM

Part II of PIHKAL is available online. Besides, I thought TIHKAL was a much better read.

12/15/2010 2:58:45 PM

crazy_carl has the word "crazy" in his username and is therefore crazy.

SCIENCE, Y'ALL.

12/15/2010 3:29:34 PM

Salvia and weed are totally different. They just both happen to be herbs smoked out of bongs or bowls

12/15/2010 4:33:56 PM