so my samsung dlp got hit by lighting last week, and tv repair shop thinks it aint worth fixing. i wanted another dlp at first but no one makes them anymore except for mitshibishi and the tv repair guy said that i don't want one of those (why i don't know)

So i figured i'll get a plasma because I frankly think the picture is better for the $ than lcd. looked at one from costco.com from panasonic and the next day, when i went to order its gone. best buy's website is showing a huge number of plasmas until you start looking to add to cart and most of them are out of stock, is there a plasma shortage?

3/12/2011 10:55:08 AM

Get a LED TV

3/12/2011 11:49:04 AM

I'm pretty sure panasonic and sony (high$$$$ end) are the only two making plasma any more. And if you need one reasonably priced it's going to be 720p.

3/12/2011 9:51:03 PM

i just bought a 1080p samsung for pretty cheap from best buy. picture is better than the LED LCD i have in the other room.

3/12/2011 9:52:09 PM

lol sony hasn't made plasmas for years now. samsung , lg, panny , all still make them . tvs in general will show as out of stock because of the 2011 models coming in. wait a little while and the new models should be out and the old models will be cheaper.

3/13/2011 3:11:40 AM

Yeah...give it like a week and you'll have plenty to choose from, or you could possibly get a good deal on a display model in most places right now.

And I still think plasma is the way to go technology-wise...have a Panasonic 54V10 and 50G10 in my house, both are excellent. Picture/color is *much* better than any LCD out there, and most LEDs except the ones that are like $3,000.

3/13/2011 6:23:30 AM

i concur on the plasma picture quality superiority over lcd. panasonic is the way to go.

3/13/2011 8:10:39 AM

My high definition CRT is superior to all!

3/13/2011 10:35:02 AM

I miss my Panny plasma

3/13/2011 11:58:53 AM

I too have a Samsung plasma (C7000) and it's gorgeous. Same weight and power consumption as LCD, and ultra-thin but without the edge lit problems of the LED LCD sets.

3/13/2011 12:08:34 PM

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"power consumption as LCD"

I doubt that.

3/13/2011 3:36:50 PM

i also doubt that, but i'm neither bored enough or require validation so badly that i'm going to google it

plasmas are known for using more power, generating more heat, and weighing more than their LCD counterparts...of course, you get a picture that's undeniably better

if you compare Noen's plasma to newer edge-lit LED LCDs of a comparable pricepoint, i'm betting the LCDs still weigh less, produce less heat, and and use less power

[Edited on March 13, 2011 at 6:00 PM. Reason : .]

3/13/2011 5:58:29 PM

Operational power consumption PN50C7000 : 111 watts
Operational power consumption Sharp LC-52LE700UN : 105 watts (and one of the most energy efficient LED based LCD's on the market).

Weight PN50C7000 : 54lbs
Weight of nearly every 50" Ultra-thin LED LCD: 45-55lbs

All of the Samsung 7000 and 8000 series plasmas are 1.4" thick.

And they are among the most highly rated HD televisions on the market. So yes, it's possible.

3/13/2011 6:16:58 PM

Thanks noen I'm going to look into that model.

3/13/2011 9:44:18 PM

my plasma has a MUCH better picture than my LCD.

3/13/2011 10:18:14 PM

my brother has a 65" mitsu dlp and it looks amazing.

3/14/2011 12:19:15 AM

^^^^ you compared the power consumption of your 50" to the power consumption of a 52" (which is still less) and call them the "same"?

no, not really...close, yes, but your initial statement is still wrong as comparable LED LCDs are both lighter and use less power

i'll say, though, it's still a big change...my 3-year old samsung plasma has yet to have any noticeable trouble with burn-in (my biggest concern, though they advertised at the time that it wouldn't) and aside from the heat generation and power consumption, that was my biggest concern...i imagine all newer plasmas are free from burn-in issues

i was pretty sure i'd go for an edge-lit LED LCD when i eventually get a new tv (which won't be any time soon unless something happens), but it definitely looks like plasma has remained competitive

[Edited on March 14, 2011 at 8:21 AM. Reason : .]

3/14/2011 8:11:10 AM

its not a given that a plasma will produce more heat than any LCD, mine is definitely cooler than the LCD in the other room. a quick pre-post google of AVS forums confirms that others have experienced the same with some LCD-plasma pairs.

3/14/2011 8:36:29 AM

Quote :

"Operational power consumption PN50C7000 : 111 watts Operational power consumption Sharp LC-52LE700UN : 105 watts (and one of the most energy efficient LED based LCD's on the market)."

Since this is exactly as unbelievable as it sounds like it is...

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-pn50c7000/4505-6482_7-34005781.html#reviewPage1

Power-on wattage: 255.76 Watt
Standby wattage: 0.08 Watt

3/14/2011 8:59:15 AM

power consumption is the biggest joke metric for a tv

unless maybe you're watching it like 8 hours a day for 3 years

[Edited on March 14, 2011 at 9:39 AM. Reason : .]

3/14/2011 9:39:25 AM

The biggest joke metric is actually weight now that we've gotten away from CRT TVs.

3/14/2011 9:46:15 AM

true enough

but i dont see too many people choosing lcd/plasma over weight issues

[Edited on March 14, 2011 at 9:47 AM. Reason : .]

3/14/2011 9:46:59 AM

Quote :

"i'll say, though, it's still a big change...my 3-year old samsung plasma has yet to have any noticeable trouble with burn-in (my biggest concern, though they advertised at the time that it wouldn't) and aside from the heat generation and power consumption, that was my biggest concern...i imagine all newer plasmas are free from burn-in issues"

I accidentally left a DVD menu on for 3 hours on my Panasonic g-25 50" maybe 3 months after I bought it. Up to that point I was meticulous about letting it run with dynamic images for a long time, at least 100 hours before I so much as played a video game on it.

It was Penn & Teller Bullshit episode and the title was in large bold contrasted letters, stuck on my screen for about 24 hours. CIRCUMCISION

Scared the shit out of me, but normal tv usage it went away. lol

3/14/2011 9:47:34 AM

but I want to mount my tv directly on drywall. fuck a goddamn stud.

3/14/2011 9:47:51 AM

3/14/2011 11:49:38 AM

A plasma consumes roughly triple the energy that a similarly sized LED/LCD consumes. Thats an extra $50 a year if you average 5 hours a day on a 42"+ screen - probably much more if you factor in the rising cost of electricity.

So its not a big deal, but its stupid to call it a "joke metric". Thats about the same cost/year as an extended warranty. Have you seen the other metrics? coughCONTRASTRATIOcough

I've had a Samsung Plasma for about 3 years, and I have not been very good about avoiding static images. It has the pixel shift and "screen wipe" features. There's some permanent burn in (looks like a shadow of the TWC guide) but luckily its only noticable when I turn off the cable box or switch to an unused input. For some reason, a fully black screen on an actual TV broadcast doesn't reveal any burn in.

[Edited on March 14, 2011 at 12:09 PM. Reason : .]

3/14/2011 12:01:10 PM

its a joke metric considering the price markup for the led tvs.

my panasonic has a 3 minute no input signal power off and a 3 hour no user input poweroff, so i've never had to deal with burn in issues.

3/14/2011 12:20:43 PM

Quote :

"L E D"

3/14/2011 12:36:07 PM

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"A plasma consumes roughly triple the energy that a similarly sized LED/LCD consumes."

No it doesn't. That is the whole point of the discussion. Plasmas are within 5-10% of the power usage of LED LCD tv's.

Quote :

"you compared the power consumption of your 50" to the power consumption of a 52" (which is still less) and call them the "same"? no, not really...close, yes, but your initial statement is still wrong as comparable LED LCDs are both lighter and use less power"

I figured comparing the most efficient LED tv on the market would be a pretty good indicator. 2" of diagonal screen size is not going to make any significant difference. And yes they are by any sensible person the same. Operational power consumption is going to vary from room to room, and can be dramatically different. That both sets are within 5% of each other tells me (and most non-pedantic people) that yes they are the same.

Especially in light of the fact that just a generation ago there was a 2-3x difference in power, weight and heat generation between the two technologies, I'd say 300% to 5% is a pretty remarkable difference.

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"Since this is exactly as unbelievable as it sounds like it is... http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-pn50c7000/4505-6482_7-34005781.html#reviewPage1 Power-on wattage: 255.76 Watt Standby wattage: 0.08 Wat"

Which is why I posted operational wattage, which is a real world average of power consumption during usage.

3/14/2011 1:31:22 PM

Quote :

"Which is why I posted operational wattage, which is a real world average of power consumption during usage."

If you'd like to post a link that would be that up, that'd be killer. In that meantime, I'll cite Crutchfield:

Samsung PN50C7000 -151.70 watts

Substituting the Sharp 52LE700UN for the Sharp LC52LE820 - 87.00 watts

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-3b1XX6ohiHY/learn/learningcenter/home/TV-power.html

Has the gap closed? Yes. Is it near as close as what you're claiming? No. In fact, if you look at that chart, the only LED-LCD with a higher power draw than the 50" plasma is the 65" LED-LCD.

[Edited on March 14, 2011 at 2:10 PM. Reason : .]

3/14/2011 2:09:48 PM

^at those levels you're looking at saving ~$19 a year (5 hours every day @ $.16/kwh)

whats the price difference in the sets?

3/14/2011 2:15:44 PM

Per cnet:

Your plasma example, Samsung PN50C7000 (50" plasma) was tested at 169.01 watts on factory settings, and 255.76 watts after the screen is calibrated for proper viewing.

Compared to a LED from Samsung, the UN55C8000 (55" LED) was tested at 129.46 watts on factory settings and 111.64 watts after calibration.

A Panasonic of similar size and capability that I could find (54" plasma) was tested at 245.85 watts factory, 288.17 calibrated.

I'm not saying that the power savings totally covers the cost difference between LEDs and Plasmas. Don't be fucking ridiculous. I'm just saying its a legitimate factor when comparing TV sets.

3/14/2011 5:53:12 PM

if the power savings dont cover the added markup then its definitely a gimmick.

3/14/2011 6:35:06 PM

do yall just fall asleep w/ the tv on or something? power consumption is not a big deal for me, if you can afford the tv you should be able to pay for the power. I just want the best picture for $$, LCDs have not impressed me, I don't like to see a pixel. if i could buy another samsung dlp i would, seriously considering a mit dlp

3/14/2011 6:47:09 PM

Quote :

"if you can afford the tv you should be able to pay for the power."

3/14/2011 7:28:56 PM

Quote :

" I just want the best picture for $$"

yeap

3/14/2011 7:36:56 PM

When I was shopping (granted this was last august), I originally wanted a edge lit LED LCD.

Then I looked at the price. At the time, the cheapest 50" 3D LED LCD was $2299 and the cheapest 50" 3D plasma (the samsung c7000) was $1699.

And it looks like even now, you pay ~350-500 less for a 3D plasma as the equivalent sized LED LCD.

Given Shaggy's numbers that's still putting you on top over the life of the set, and a hella better picture. Edge lit LED LCD tv's have horrific problems with contrast and light bloom.

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Gah, Lumex you're right , I went back to re-read the cnet review. I will say that, again, the numbers can be a bit misleading. Owning this set, if you put the thing on "default", it's EYE SEARINGLY bright (at least in my living room). I can't imaging what the hell they turned on to get it pumped up to 255w, unless that's counting 3D viewing (which does basically double the brightness of the set).

3/14/2011 8:11:55 PM

I went from a Panny G10 50" (Plasma) to a Sony HX800 (edge-lit led) and won't be looking back. I slightly prefer the panny for gaming, but for everything else, the Sony is far superior. Clarity, color, blacks (without questions), etc. The soap opera effect is a somewhat acquired taste but it can be limited without having much motion blur at all. Ill take a significantly better picture of a tiny different in fast-motion performance any day.

Havent looked into the power consumption, but the Panny got pretty warm after a few hours and the Sony has stayed cool. Scientific, I know.

3/14/2011 8:50:48 PM

off-topic a bit, but any time I see someone refer to a "Panny" it makes me want to punch babies in the face. ugh.

3/14/2011 9:08:56 PM

^

3/14/2011 9:48:38 PM

^^

3/15/2011 7:56:42 AM

^^^

3/15/2011 8:33:48 AM

^^^^

3/15/2011 9:36:07 AM

^^^^^

3/15/2011 9:47:13 AM

^^^^^^

3/15/2011 10:36:17 AM

Quote :

"I went from a Panny G10 50" (Plasma) to a Sony HX800 (edge-lit led) and won't be looking back. I slightly prefer the panny for gaming, but for everything else, the Sony is far superior. Clarity, color, blacks (without questions), etc. The soap opera effect is a somewhat acquired taste but it can be limited without having much motion blur at all. Ill take a significantly better picture of a tiny different in fast-motion performance any day."

The differences are not so much plasma vs. LCD as old model vs new model.

I'd wager the HX800 is not better than my 2010 G25 at clarity, color, blacks, etc.

3/15/2011 11:09:59 AM

how much TV do you all watch?

or more importantly, how long is the average tv on per day? i'd be amazed if it's 5 hours.

considering the average home has more tvs than people, i just don't see them all being on for an average of 5 hours per day.

3/15/2011 1:14:44 PM

Quote :

"off-topic a bit, but any time I see someone refer to a "Panny" it makes me want to punch babies in the face. ugh."

WTF?

Quote :

"off-topic a bit, but any time I see someone refer to a "Panny" it makes me want to punch babies them in the face. ugh."

3/15/2011 6:05:39 PM

I'd just like to point out that the difference between a 50" and a 52" is actually 8% in screen size.

3/15/2011 6:43:43 PM

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"I accidentally left a DVD menu on for 3 hours on my Panasonic g-25 50" maybe 3 months after I bought it. Up to that point I was meticulous about letting it run with dynamic images for a long time, at least 100 hours before I so much as played a video game on it. It was Penn & Teller Bullshit episode and the title was in large bold contrasted letters, stuck on my screen for about 24 hours. CIRCUMCISION Scared the shit out of me, but normal tv usage it went away. lo"

Truth...I fall asleep at least once a week forgetting to set the sleep timer on my G10 and I wake up to the menu of The Office onscreen. I put in Wall-E, set the sleep timer, and it goes away.

Quote :

"I went from a Panny G10 50" (Plasma) to a Sony HX800 (edge-lit led) and won't be looking back. I slightly prefer the panny for gaming, but for everything else, the Sony is far superior. Clarity, color, blacks (without questions), etc. The soap opera effect is a somewhat acquired taste but it can be limited without having much motion blur at all."

Different strokes. Roommate has an HX700 in his bedroom and the blacks still look all jacked up even when I turn it to cinema mode (or whatever Sony calls their preset with the brightness turned all the way down)

And the power consumption argument *is* a joke...the upfront cost difference of a comparable LED in terms of picture quality to a plasma is far more than the energy savings you'll get over the next 4 years that you'll own the TV, unless you got an insane deal on it. And I still like the blacks on plasma better. The weight issue is also a joke. I'm one skinny motherfucker, but had no problem unboxing the 54V10, putting on the base, and lifting it by myself to put on our TV stand. Mounting it may be a different story, but you need 2 people to do that on almost any TV anyways.

[Edited on March 16, 2011 at 12:22 AM. Reason : herpes]

3/16/2011 12:21:09 AM