Whether or not you care for him, the NC State chapter of YAL is bringing Ron Paul to speak at the McKimmon Center on 3/28. Free/open to the public and whatnot.



Flame away.

[Edited on March 14, 2011 at 8:18 PM. Reason : -]

3/14/2011 8:16:53 PM

No point flaming.

3/14/2011 8:21:19 PM

I kind of want to go to ask him why the children of impoverished parents don't deserve an education.

3/14/2011 9:50:13 PM

Right, because he doesn't believe in any public education

3/14/2011 9:59:22 PM

but...he doesn't?

i'm sure he'd be ok with kindly benefactors plucking up dickensian ragamuffins from their parents and sending them to boarding school like in the 19th century. also, parents should be able to sell their children.

I want to ask him about how far off he thinks the NWO and the North American Union and the Amero are now.

[Edited on March 14, 2011 at 10:05 PM. Reason : .]

3/14/2011 10:04:01 PM

^^ He absolutely doesn't. In his own words--if you don't believe me, watch the video--"Education is not a right." I can't fault him for idealogical inconsistency, because he doesn't have any (aside from abortion), but I find his stance despicable.

I'm sure he believes there's a Miss Havisham* around every corner, but that is a ludicrous point of view which is totally divorced from reality.

*I realize that Magwitch was Pip's actual benefactor, but Havisham is the more readily identifiable reference

3/14/2011 10:15:49 PM

lol @ "aside from abortion".

And also, you're taking a clip of him talking about higher education when I thought it was pretty safe to assume we were talking about primary. Even when he ran as a libertarian in 1988, he said it is completely unfeasible to privatize all schools, and that it was a waste of time to try and do so. Rather, we should deal with public school at the state and local level.

But that's ok...you can keep pinning him as an anarchist.

3/14/2011 10:23:16 PM

I wonder what the young libertarians think of the GOP pushing the government for more voting restrictions in NC costing NC millions? Or pushing their marriage amendment which may also cost millions and achieve nothing? And if Ron will comment on any of that?

3/14/2011 10:23:36 PM

^^ Why is secondary education fundamentally different from primary education? And, on that note, what secondary school costs $500 per semester?

3/14/2011 10:26:34 PM

Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.

3/14/2011 10:35:45 PM

Wow, what a great human and American.

Honestly, I will be in awe watching someone who cares about America speak in our little neighborhood of Raleigh.

North Carolina has always been known on the national stage as local yokals who can easily be used for political gain and then stepped all over (hell even our local congressman do it i.e. David Price).

Ron Paul is probably as close as I will ever come to meeting Jesus Christ.

3/14/2011 11:05:17 PM

If through some unimaginable circumstance it turns out to be Paul vs. Obama, I'll vote Obama. I think Ron Paul is out of touch with reality.

That said, there are a couple of things to address...

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"I can't fault him for idealogical inconsistency, because he doesn't have any (aside from abortion)"

I have tended, in recent years, towards being pro-choice...but I still see the pro-life point of view, and how it isn't necessarily anti-libertarian. Nothing in the libertarian view (small l or big L) says that you have to support one person killing another out of convenience. I'll say for the ten thousandth time that abortion has far more to do with where life is defined as beginning than it does with anything else.

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"Or pushing their marriage amendment which may also cost millions and achieve nothing?"

I'm opposed to the marriage bill, but I'm not sure it's in total opposition to libertarian principles...if, by virtue of their being in favor of equality, libs must be in favor of gay marriage and the like, then it's difficult to give them grounds to be opposed to other, more bizarre marriages. As a general principle such an argument is ludicrous, but if you approach it from the standpoint of, "Well, you've got to be against government intervention in marriage," then there's not a lot of room to discriminate.

3/15/2011 12:24:58 AM

^ you are such a nerd.

who cares about social issues they are for faggots and religious people who need someone else to interpret their lives for them.

okay im sorry for lumping the gays in with the religious.

Im pro gay actually, i just hate how they side with liberal scum.

Sucking another mans dick is really gross to me but i dont mind if other dudes do it as long as they dont pin me down or vote for obama scum.

3/15/2011 12:51:25 AM

He's one of the only politicians that actually is in touch with reality. There's hardly anyone talking about an exit strategy for this horrible financial situation we've been put in. You'll sooner vote to keep the status quo going for another four years rather than vote to deal with any long-term problems.

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"I wonder what the young libertarians think of the GOP pushing the government for more voting restrictions in NC costing NC millions? Or pushing their marriage amendment which may also cost millions and achieve nothing? And if Ron will comment on any of that?"

I'm not sure what he'll be speaking on. Personally, it doesn't seem that wise to change up the voting laws now. I support a lot of major democratic reforms, but the voter ID thing doesn't solve much. Yeah, some people are cheating the system, it's hard to say how many, but it shouldn't be a priority when the budget is already messy.

The marriage amendment is obviously dumb.

3/15/2011 1:01:45 AM

You guys want to see the little dance I can make all the paulfags do when I mention that he's a racist?

3/15/2011 1:09:19 AM

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"more bizarre marriages"

To Grumpy's point, I believe you misunderstand what I'm saying. Its my understanding that most libertarians are generally against more and restrictive laws relating to marriage, especially as they start to tamper with the constitution, and that they oppose laws like DOMA whether at the national or state level. One can very easily oppose DOMA and oppose bills like this, without taking a stand on marriage, or while taking the stand that government should get out of marriage altogether. A libertarian or anyone of sound mind can oppose DOMA, and oppose legal recognitions of marriage to a toaster oven (I believe I heard the toaster slippery slope argument made in Maryland recently) without even an ounce of cognitive dissonance.

In fact the only libertarian I know of in our state General Assembly (who technically has an R by his name) is the only R I know of who has publicly taken a stance against the DOMA type constitutional marriage amendment. So I think that position is extremely libertarian friendly.

[Edited on March 15, 2011 at 2:21 AM. Reason : .]

3/15/2011 2:19:58 AM

isnt the revolution with the backwards love graphic stolen from a big-tent christian revival thing from a few years back?

they had bumper stickers everywhere and an office on six forks or falls of neuse

[Edited on March 15, 2011 at 10:55 AM. Reason : .]

3/15/2011 10:52:03 AM

^I'd like to know. And I'd also like to know what the fuck does LOVE have to do with Ron Paul's political views?

3/15/2011 11:06:41 AM

i have no idea if the revolution christian thing created it, but they definitely used it a few years ago. i'm pretty sure i even remember someone making a thread asking what all of the bumper stickers were about.

3/15/2011 11:09:23 AM

Yeah, I never liked that graphic. I'd rather that be replaced with something more topical this time around.

3/15/2011 11:15:40 AM

How about one with the sky falling?

3/15/2011 1:16:51 PM

No one cares about your trolling.

3/15/2011 1:49:21 PM

You asked for something topical, that seems like the main topic you and your ilk are focused on

3/15/2011 2:21:30 PM

His abortion position is too hypocritical for even real Libertarians to vote for him.

3/15/2011 3:20:57 PM

Do Kris and smc have a side bet to who can troll the best? I mean, at least with Kris, he openly acknowledges when he is trying to get a rise out of people.

3/15/2011 4:04:36 PM

$10 to the first one to trigger an impassioned and expletive-filled 300 word response in this thread.

I suppose we could also rate ourselves based on who had the lowest posted words to response words ratio.

Oh, and I liked Ron Paul back when no one had heard of him, but now his fiscal conservative views are so mainstream.

3/15/2011 4:13:55 PM

Will fleet-footed black people be allowed in?

3/16/2011 12:06:15 PM

Ron Paul is a republican, silly.

3/16/2011 12:27:39 PM

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"^^ Why is secondary education fundamentally different from primary education? And, on that note, what secondary school costs $500 per semester?"

Wake Tech, or most other in-state technical institutes

3/16/2011 1:51:20 PM

you know, you could have just googled "secondary education" before posting that instead of revealing that you don't know that it's a synonym for middle or high school.

will there be a discussion of the ZOG and the NAFTA Superhighway?

[Edited on March 16, 2011 at 4:14 PM. Reason : c]

3/16/2011 4:13:40 PM

IMO education isn't a right, but rather an entitlement that ought to be offered by any country that wishes to be considered "developing" or "developed"

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"You guys want to see the little dance I can make all the paulfags do when I mention that he's a racist?"

it's what made me stop supporting him

3/16/2011 4:20:12 PM

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"will there be a discussion of the ZOG and the NAFTA Superhighway?"

How does it feel to be the guy that knowingly spreads misinformation? You'd never criticize someone else for doing the same, right?

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"it's what made me stop supporting him"

You mean when someone told you he was racist, and then you never bothered to look into it?

[Edited on March 16, 2011 at 5:02 PM. Reason : ]

3/16/2011 4:52:14 PM

^I wasn't being precise: I actually read that he was, then looked into it hard and saw that the naysayers were correct.

3/16/2011 5:22:35 PM

So you read the newsletters from over two decades ago, most of which were written by others under the title "Ron Paul Survival Report" or whatever. You concluded that the statements were both racist (arguably, they weren’t, since blacks in Los Angelos at the time were much, much more likely to be criminals – a statistic often cited even by progressives in support of liberal policies) and written by Ron Paul.

Two decades later, when both parties wholeheartedly support a pro-corporatist, pro-military, anti-developing world economic and monetary policy, you will not support Ron Paul. You disregard the fact that Ron Paul cannot be found saying anything remotely racist outside of these newsletters, and in light of the dubious claim that he personally wrote those statements and the fact that he has stated that he bears responsibility for those statements, you ignore the reality that racism is the complete and total opposite of his stated philosophy.

Go ahead – support Obama in 2012. Why don’t you fly to Afghanistan yourself and murder some people? Why don’t you fly to North Africa and take food directly off of people’s table? Why don’t you send your wages directly to Goldman Sachs, since you want so badly for the corrupt banking system to stay intact? If you did even close to as much research on central banking and capital flows as you have on Ron Paul’s “racism," there’s absolutely no way you could come out supporting Obama if you’re a compassionate person. The United States is, and has been, shitting on the rest of the world. You can vote to end that trend, or you can vote to continue it. I know what side of history I’d rather be on.

Also, looks like you win 10 bucks.

3/16/2011 5:54:34 PM

are any of you a member of YAL? ask them about the logo, i'm still curious

3/16/2011 6:35:38 PM

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"Go ahead – support Obama in 2012. Why don’t you fly to Afghanistan yourself and murder some people?"

That's $10 well-earned, lewisje.

Not a bad impassioned argument, either. There are going to be a lot of uncomfortable liberals when it comes time to support Obama again.

[Edited on March 16, 2011 at 7:49 PM. Reason : .]

3/16/2011 7:49:01 PM

uncomfortable? To vote for Obama you basically have to spit in your kids face. I mean seriously you might as well start rationing their food and clothes right now too while you're stealing from them.

3/16/2011 8:06:54 PM

^^my PayPal address is lewisje AT alumni DOT iu DOT edu

also this provides a good starting point for seeing PRON HAUL for the bigot he really is: http://ronpaulsurvivalreport.blogspot.com/2008/01/james-kirchick-exposes-ron-pauls.html

3/16/2011 8:45:01 PM

Nope.

3/16/2011 10:15:19 PM

pro-developing world economics? i have a hard time accepting that the model for the developing world is somalia.

http://mises.org/daily/2066

also, i'm not going to post links to all of his Alex Jones appearances where they talk about the NWO

and i'm pretty sure there are plenty of others on the left with me who want us out of Afghanistan. hell, i'd close bases worldwide.

[Edited on March 17, 2011 at 12:10 AM. Reason : .]

3/17/2011 12:01:56 AM

So do you have to register to see him or do you just show up?

3/17/2011 12:45:22 AM

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"The event is FREE and open to the public. Invite your friends and family and let's give Ron Paul a warm southern welcome!"

http://www.conservativenc.com/index.php/state/3709

3/17/2011 12:13:40 PM

Today's the day. I wouldn't be surprised if we fill the place up. Don't miss this opportunity.

3/28/2011 10:25:46 AM

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"I kind of want to go to ask him why the children of impoverished parents don't deserve an education.]"

Why do you think the children of impoverished parents deserve to be impoverished?

3/28/2011 12:55:39 PM

So we ended up filling to capacity. Around 1,200 with standing room. FBN also broadcast 'freedom watch' live from McKimmon which was pretty cool.

3/28/2011 10:14:26 PM

You dissidents should have been at home hearing all about the new war from our glorious leader.

3/28/2011 10:55:35 PM

it's not a war. it's a tactical engagement of limited scope and limited duration. geez, man

3/28/2011 10:58:57 PM

For some reason the calendar appointment in my phone never triggered and I missed him Stupid Android!!!

3/28/2011 11:05:13 PM

u sure u don't have an iPhone? lol

don't worry, you'll get to hear more of him when he is president

[Edited on March 28, 2011 at 11:11 PM. Reason : ]

3/28/2011 11:10:34 PM

Did he bring the love?

3/29/2011 1:16:12 AM