Is there any place in Raleigh where I can buy some salmon that is non-farmed.

3/21/2011 9:38:54 PM

go to the airport and buy a ticket to alaska

3/21/2011 9:39:23 PM

doesn't harris teeter carry wild-caught salmon?

3/21/2011 9:42:10 PM

All canned salmon is wild caught Alaskan salmon

3/21/2011 9:43:00 PM

blue moon is a good pairing for farmed salmon though

3/21/2011 9:43:49 PM

Target apparently only sells wild caught alaskan salmon now. At least that's what it tells me when i google "wild caught salmon raleigh NC".

Glad I could do the hard part for you though.

3/22/2011 12:28:55 AM

There are some black people down on Person Street that sell it on a street corner.

And by "non-farmed salmon" I presume you mean crack rocks.




And seriously, go to Whole Foods.

3/22/2011 2:02:46 AM

Pretty sure Trader Joe's would work here too

3/22/2011 8:09:25 AM

Harris Teeter, Whole Foods, Fresh Market to name a few. It was on sale the other day at Whole Foods.

3/22/2011 8:16:28 AM

Just check the labeling. It will usually say

3/22/2011 9:26:03 AM

pretty much everywhere except food lion and kroger

3/22/2011 9:49:13 AM

what is wrong with farmed salmon

3/22/2011 9:51:35 AM

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/02/080212-salmon-lice.html

3/22/2011 9:52:48 AM

Since this thread is over...


What are Marquette's chances this weekend?

3/22/2011 9:53:20 AM

Actually this page has a good overview of why farmed fish is no bueno
whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=george&dbid=96

3/22/2011 9:55:34 AM

Costco carries wild-caught and farmed I believe

3/22/2011 9:58:26 AM

^^, ^^^ as if that wasn't enough, Farmed raised salmon are all probably going to be Genetically Modified in the near future



[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 10:00 AM. Reason : arrows]

3/22/2011 10:00:08 AM

Whole Foods on Wade has some of the best looking Salmon fillets I've seen, but it's probably ~$15/lb. Good stuff though.

3/22/2011 10:01:32 AM

i find it hard to believe anyone here can actually taste the difference between wild caught and farmed salmon

3/22/2011 10:53:06 AM

In this case, it's not really about the taste.

3/22/2011 10:54:52 AM

oh, i dont read threads

3/22/2011 10:55:21 AM

Most people who are looking for a non-farmed fish are looking to eat it from a health standpoint.

3/22/2011 10:57:37 AM

its hard to beat a good USDA prime aged filet

3/22/2011 10:59:25 AM

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"Most people who are looking for a non-farmed fish are looking to eat it from a health standpoint."

yep. Farmed salmon is fattier, yet they manage to have less Omega 3 fats than the same weight of wild salmon. Also has less protein since the fat content is higher. Plus wild salmon generally has much lower (think like 10-20 times lower) concentrations of toxins.

3/22/2011 12:02:32 PM

As far as salmon goes, I think you can taste a difference, especially in sushi. Just like you can taste the difference between a lean cut of steak and a fatty piece of steak.

3/22/2011 12:07:31 PM

I also enjoy partaking in the depleting of Earth's remaining fisheries.

3/22/2011 12:11:55 PM

^I'm not sure about Canadian or Pacific Northwest Salmon, but Alaskan Wild Caught Salmon is considered one of the best managed fisheries in the world.





[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 12:20 PM. Reason : I actually support farming fish, I just don't agree with most of the methods]

3/22/2011 12:18:10 PM

I support fish farming and GM everything. But allowing corporations to do those is asking for environmental and health catastrophe.

Quote :

"yep. Farmed salmon is fattier, yet they manage to have less Omega 3 fats than the same weight of wild salmon. Also has less protein since the fat content is higher. Plus wild salmon generally has much lower (think like 10-20 times lower) concentrations of toxins."

Look, there is very good mechanism behind how this happens. How does the fish farmer get paid? That's right, by the weight of the fish they sell. There is a quality premium, but if no one holds you accountable for degraded quality, it doesn't matter. You still outsell Mr. Responsible Fish Farmer next to you on the shelf.

GM organisms are a wonderful technological tool. We have GM strains of rice that have added vitamins that are helping developing nations fight disease. Too bad we never got those same people to make or keep food healthy in our own darn nation.

3/22/2011 12:32:36 PM

Quote :

"i find it hard to believe anyone here can actually taste the difference between wild caught and farmed salmon"

If you can't taste the difference is fresh wild caught salmon (especially sockeye) and farm raised salmon then something is wrong with your taster.

3/22/2011 12:39:23 PM

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"GM organisms are a wonderful technological tool."

maybe, I'm not sure we know this for certain yet.

3/22/2011 12:49:52 PM

I'm not one of those "stuck on organic/no GM foods" folks.
This is just one case in which the wild version is better in every way (that I'm aware of).
And I'm willing to pay a premium for it.

I also avoid farm raised Tilapia and Catfish.

[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 12:55 PM. Reason : s]

3/22/2011 12:54:41 PM

pretty much farm raised seafood in general

3/22/2011 1:02:06 PM

As far as the effects on wild populations go, isn't this a big catch-22? We farm the fish the fish, it hurts the population. We don't farm the fish, we eat much more of the population.

I think one of those articles had it right: Move the farms inland and away from rivers. Eliminate escapes and you eliminate the farms' effect on wild populations.

3/22/2011 1:17:17 PM

That definitely helps as far as escapees, but the actual farmed fish themselves aren't very healthy compared to the wild. So, while that is a good plan it doesn't change the fact that the farmed fish aren't as healthy as the wild fish. Of course the same goes for the caged chickens and cows and turkeys etc. But since there aren't many "wild" chickens and cows it comes down to cage-free/free range/organic vs the standard mass produced. However, the definition of those is really up for interpretation so "cage free" or "free/open range" doesn't always really mean what the definitions were meant to imply, even at places like Whole Foods.

I guess it really comes down to making compromises. Finding a meeting point where price and quality meet for each person. For my wife and I, I have simply reduced dramatically the amount of meat I consume on a regular basis (my day-to-day meals) and the meat I do eat (as well as the fish) I attempt to eat much healthier, less mass-market farmed. We aren't really spending anymore on our groceries each month than we were before and I feel the quality of our foods has increased even though we ate fairly healthily anyway.

[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 1:36 PM. Reason : .]

3/22/2011 1:28:21 PM

Well I could give a shit about that, which is why I said "as far as the effects on wild populations go."

You want to eat expensive healthy shit then knock yourself out, so long as you aren't decimating the wild population. I'm poor and would like to be able to eat cheap, tasty, slightly less healthy shit.

3/22/2011 1:32:51 PM

Just bought 2 filets of wild alaskan at harris teeter for $10. I supplement with fish oil so i should be ok to eat farm raised but I am recently starting to get on the grass fed - wild caught train after reading what it does to the animals and the recommendations of diet books.

I guess I need to cut down on the tuna/swordfish I eat to 1-2 servings a week. Mercury is a bummer.

3/22/2011 1:36:24 PM

^ 3 That's what we've started doing too. The meat vendors at the farmers' market rock for grass fed meats.

3/22/2011 1:42:20 PM

Awesome. And I agree

3/22/2011 1:43:27 PM

Quote :

"Mercury is a bummer. "

troof

3/22/2011 1:49:52 PM

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"I guess I need to cut down on the tuna/swordfish I eat to 1-2 servings a week. Mercury is a bummer."

Unless you're 60 lbs. I wouldn't worry about 1-2 servings per week.

I also supplement with fish oil. Get distilled fish oil so that there is practically no toxins. Whole Foods house brand (365 Brand) is dirt cheap ($12 buys a big bottle) and performs well in lab tests.

I, too, eat far less meat than I used to.

I also eat in an actual restaurant roughly 1 time per month. My food bill is still low by comparison to most of my peers who buy crappy food at the grocery store and then go out to eat once a week or more. My last restaurant meal was three weeks ago at Bluewater in Wrightsville Beach and even that was only $25 or so for myself and my girlfriend.

[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 2:01 PM. Reason : s]

3/22/2011 1:58:33 PM

What is allowed? I think I ate like 6 cans of tuna and 2 swordfish filets in one week.

3/22/2011 2:07:00 PM

For me I enjoy the act of eating out too much to limit to just once a month. That said these days it's much easier to find healthy options at restaurants as long as you're not at some place like Applebee's

[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 2:08 PM. Reason : g]

3/22/2011 2:07:36 PM

I really don't know. It depends a lot on your weight and the type of tuna/swordfish you're eating. I know to avoid canned Albacore tuna as it's usually pretty high in mercury compared to the others. Steaks are higher than canned in general, but I'm not sure if it's higher than Albacore. You might just want to google it and do some reading.

I usually eat 1-2 cans tossed on top of my salads throughout the week. I might eat tuna/swordfish steaks a couple times a month. Other than that I get most of my Omega 3's through distilled fish oil and cage free eggs.



[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 2:13 PM. Reason : s]

3/22/2011 2:10:36 PM

^^^^ Are all of the fish oil supplements and oil being sold distilled? Or will they all just subtly not mention it while not being distilled? Many brands put on the label that they don't have Mercury, which makes me think they have Mercury.

Quote :

""GM organisms are a wonderful technological tool." maybe, I'm not sure we know this for certain yet."

This simply does not make any sense. What makes a tool bad? Is it just not useful? Or is it dangerous? More likely, the application of the tool creates havoc. People misuse technology until someone makes them stop. It's a constant of society.

[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 2:12 PM. Reason : ^]

3/22/2011 2:11:31 PM

Not all fish oils are distilled.
You want "molecularly distilled" fish oil...It should say it on the label somewhere.

Quote :

"What is molecular distillation anyway? Molecular distillation is a purification method which is conducted in vacuum. It is actually an industrial standard procedure which is best for the purification of vitamins. Molecular distillation is the only process that can effectively remove metals, PCBs and other harmful toxins to a level that is perfectly safe for human consumption. Molecular distillation is a very expensive purification method. The equipment you need and the conditions required are expensive and difficult. Not all fish oil supplement manufacturers have the resources to produce molecularly distilled fish oil. "

http://www.nutritional-supplements-health-guide.com/molecularly-distilled-fish-oil.html


This is what I take:
http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/products/item.php?RID=581

3/22/2011 2:17:00 PM

i'm going to need to take a second job so i can buy all my shit from whole foods

3/22/2011 2:19:17 PM

^
http://www.nrdc.org/health/effects/mercury/guide.asp

This link puts swordfish in the AVOID category and canned chunk light tuna in the 6 servings or less per month. Its for pregnant women and kids though so for a normal person I imagine a safe intake is a lot higher


^^^ Exactly. There are a lot of unknowns still surrounding GMOs. To call them a "wonderful" technological tool seems premature.

[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 2:21 PM. Reason : omg arrows]

3/22/2011 2:21:10 PM

Quote :

"i'm going to need to take a second job so i can buy all my shit from whole foods"

The fish oil I linked to is one of the cheapest on the market. Don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure it's $11.xx for 250 softgels.

If you really can't find a way to include a couple of $7.50 pieces of Salmon into your food budget every month then get the $5 ones from Harris Teeter that ViolentMAW mentioned.

3/22/2011 2:28:14 PM

^ so is the 365 brand molecularly distilled?

3/22/2011 7:03:13 PM

U guys talking bout fish in here?

3/22/2011 10:56:29 PM