http://www.wral.com/news/national_world/national/story/9473740/
Libya, typing too fast fail

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"MISRATA, Libya — Tim Hetherington, the daring war photographer and Oscar-nominated co-director of the documentary "Restrepo" about a platoon of U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan, died Wednesday while covering battles between rebels and Libyan government forces. He was 40. With him was photographer Chris Hondros, a North Carolina State University graduate who now is based in New York for the Getty agency. Hondros also died and two other photographers were seriously injured, said a doctor in Misrata who spoke on condition of anonymity because of fears of government reprisals. Hetherington was killed in Misrata, the only rebel-held city in western Libya, said his U.S.-based publicist, Johanna Ramos Boyer. The city has come under weeks of relentless shelling by government troops. Hetherington tweeted Tuesday: "In besieged Libyan city of Misrata. Indiscriminate shelling by Qaddafi forces. No sign of NATO." Since his 1993 graduation, Hondros has covered conflicts in Irag, Afghanistan and elsewhere, according to a report on the N.C. State website. During his time at the university, Hondros was honored as student photographer of the year in North Carolina. His photos have appeared in The New York Times, Newsweek and The Economist. NCSU report on Hondros' life and work Hetherington was nominated with Sebastian Junger, author of "The Perfect Storm," for an Academy Award for their 2010 documentary film "Restrepo," which won the Grand Jury Prize at the Sundance Film Festival. "He was an amazing talent and special human being," said Sundance Institute spokeswoman Brooks Addicott. "Restrepo" tells the story of the 2nd Platoon of Battle Company in the 173rd Airborne Combat Team on its deployment in Afghanistan in 2007 and 2008. The title refers to the platoon outpost, named after a popular soldier, Juan Restrepo, who was killed early in the fighting. "We're at war," Hetherington said in an interview with The Associated Press before the Oscars. "We wanted to bring the war into people's living room and put it into the movie theaters, and get people to connect with it. It's not necessarily about moral outrage. It's about trying to understand that we're at war and try to understand the emotional terrain of what being at war means." Hetherington was born in Liverpool, England, and studied literature and photojournalism at Oxford University. Known for his gutsy ability to capture conflict zones on film, his other credits included working as a cameraman on the documentaries "Liberia: An Uncivil War" and "The Devil Came on Horseback." He also produced pieces for ABC News' "Nightline." "Tim bore powerful witness to unimaginable battles and made them real through the lens of his camera," said ABC News president Ben Sherwood. "He leaves a legacy of unforgettable stories told through moving and still pictures." Hetherington's photos appeared in Vanity Fair magazine, where he worked as a contributing photographer. He won the World Press Photo of the Year award for an image of an exhausted U.S. soldier resting after a fire-fight in Afghanistan and released "Infidel," a book of photos capturing the lives of the 173rd Airborne Combat Team, in 2010. Hetherington is survived by his mother, father, sister, brother and three nieces and nephews "

[Edited on April 20, 2011 at 7:47 PM. Reason : spell good]

4/20/2011 7:46:28 PM

They were in a sexual relationship together and gay. If Westboro comes out to protest this guy's funeral, we need to deport them to Gadhafi's rape room.

4/20/2011 7:49:36 PM

oh wow, i heard about that on the radio - didn't know he was a NC State grad

4/20/2011 7:49:42 PM

i really don't feel sorry for this dude

4/20/2011 7:49:54 PM

i heard he isn't dead, but in critical condition

4/20/2011 7:56:37 PM

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"i really don't feel sorry for this dude"

whhhhhat???

and is the NCSU grad actually dead or just in critical condition and the main guy, Hetherington is dead? i'm confused. i heard about this earlier today so didn't know if this was an update or just...a very confusing thread.

4/20/2011 8:03:59 PM

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"With him was photographer Chris Hondros, a North Carolina State University graduate who now is based in New York for the Getty agency. Hondros also died and two other photographers were seriously injured, said a doctor in Misrata who spoke on condition of anonymity because of fears of government reprisals. "

poorly written but this should clear it up

4/20/2011 8:07:01 PM

unfortunately, the Parody Thread Countdown Clock is ticking

4/20/2011 8:08:01 PM

He's saying the man deliberately inserted himself into a civil war. I would hope anyone that does this wouldn't expect people to feel sorry for them if they're killed.

4/20/2011 8:08:34 PM

If you go to a country in civil war where the rebels have the mindstate of the random dude in the corner of the Greyhound bus stop smokin cigarettes and talkin about the establishment....ya might be dumb

Have you seen some of these yokel desert rats? This isn't our war.

Did he miss the class about not going to war zones if you're not in the military? Gosh, this is such horrible PR for Libya. I wonder how upset Gadhafi's forces will be to hear the news...oh that's right

4/20/2011 8:13:53 PM

Damn, this sucks.

Today we are all Wolfpack

4/20/2011 8:31:36 PM

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"poorly written but this should clear it up"

ohhhh dag

yea when i saw earlier today it was just critical condition that sucks.

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"I would hope anyone that does this wouldn't expect people to feel sorry for them if they're killed."

yea they probably wouldn't expect people to feel bad. but i still feel bad for their families. and for them. i mean, dying prob sucks dontcha think? but dying doing what you want to do...well i guess that is the way to go.

[Edited on April 20, 2011 at 8:37 PM. Reason : .]

4/20/2011 8:34:38 PM

People who believe he was dumb for being in a war zone, and feel nothing for his death, are cowards. Very few people willingly go to a war zone, even less with only a camera. And they do it to fulfill your desire to see pictures, to get a little boner to see something that shocks you. Americans lust for combat footage, to praise it or protest it, either way you need it. So go ahead and feel nothing for the guy who put it all on the line so you can sit behind a computer and be a little coward.

4/20/2011 8:50:55 PM

Here's some of his photos.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/04/20/a_life_less_ordinary_the_photographs_of_chris_hondros

4/20/2011 8:59:03 PM

Maybe victimizing yourself to fulfill your greed for fame and praise is truly the fatal flaw.

I've been to a war zone, but I didn't go to take pictures! And if you do go, bring a weapon!

[Edited on April 20, 2011 at 9:10 PM. Reason : ]

4/20/2011 9:04:10 PM

hahah right

he wanted to be famous and shit

hey guys, let's all share our top 5 favorite photographers!

[Edited on April 20, 2011 at 9:08 PM. Reason : hahahah greed. ]

4/20/2011 9:08:07 PM

^^ sometimes the truth hurts, but i'm feeling that

but no one deserves to die for making silly decisions

4/20/2011 9:09:22 PM

silly decisions are a leading cause of death

4/20/2011 9:10:50 PM

i never said it wasn't chuckle-worthy. just that he was probably a decent guy

4/20/2011 9:12:34 PM

ideed
I have missed you

<3 no homo

4/20/2011 9:13:16 PM

Dude has some amazing pictures. Here's one for all you stoners.

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"marijuana smoke looms over a crowd of thousands at the University of Colorado in Boulder."

[Edited on April 20, 2011 at 9:14 PM. Reason : One year ago today]

4/20/2011 9:13:17 PM

dude what exactly are you trying to say

homeboy chose to do a certain profession, and a small percentage of that percentage are victim to things like this. it's an inherent risk.

there's no bravery, cowardice, greed, avarice, or whatever involved here. the guy isn't a dumbfuck or a hero for doing what he's doing, it's just something that happened. And it's pretty sad.

but continue to TROLL TROLL TROLL it up.

4/20/2011 9:13:38 PM

Well I hope I never see you down range, cuase its never good.
There are alot of crazy bastards without guns, im dumb enough to be one of them, so maybe I have a shared respect for the guys who are boots on the ground with a camera.

4/20/2011 9:15:14 PM

I have missed all my peeps here too, but I've been busy for the past god knows how long trying to move in a different direction with my career.

too bad i chose to do it at one of the most corrupt places in the state, and i doubt i'll even have a letter of recommendation before its said and done

i will, however, be working from home a lot more

4/20/2011 9:15:45 PM

btw - at least it wasn't "ncsu dropout killed in libya"

4/20/2011 9:17:20 PM

jackleg abandoned us** here on TWW, and left us** in this hell hole to rot.



**_{us me}

4/20/2011 9:19:03 PM

just expect the opposite of favorable in the media

dropout did something bad, "attended NCSU in year xxxx" before doing x

dropout did something good, "left to go" do x "before finishing at NCSU."

graduate did something bad, "left to go" do x "shortly after" x

It's actually a 4x4 matrix of choosing your verbiage to generate the worst PR possible for the university given grad/dropout or good/bad event

4/20/2011 9:20:10 PM

Freedom isn’t free.

4/20/2011 9:27:12 PM

Not trying to troll, but I find it interesting that WRAL is almost always the first stop for TWWers.

This is a much more comprehensive story about Chris than what WRAL half-ass threw online:
http://www2.nbc17.com/ar/964810/

[Edited on April 20, 2011 at 9:28 PM. Reason : hell, Technician at least talked to a friend of the family. http://bit.ly/eeBVqj ]

4/20/2011 9:27:34 PM

Looks like you win!

Tell D-$ to trade the SH in for a HH Mike when he gets back.

4/20/2011 9:30:04 PM

what?

4/20/2011 9:34:46 PM

Say what you want, but the guy took some amazing photos, and had the balls to go into conflict environments to try and tell the story of what is really going on. I think a lot of people don't realize that the reason there was such sentiment against the Vietnam War is because of photojournalists. The same thing is true of Haiti.

http://www.chrishondros.com/index.html

That's his website, with some of the photos, many of which he won awards for. I think if you browse through them, you would be impressed with a fair number of them. I was looking at the ones from Liberia especially, and it gives you a very different impression of the conflict. Also, when you think about the fact that he is taking pictures of people who are ducking down from gunfire and he's like five feet away, it shows you that he had to have tremendous courage.

4/21/2011 2:37:47 AM

Same dude that did restrepo?

great photo




[Edited on April 21, 2011 at 2:56 AM. Reason : hope the photo works]

4/21/2011 2:51:43 AM

Here are two of his award winning photos:

This one is of a 5 year old boy in Iraq whose civilian parents had just been killed by U.S. soldiers when they mistakenly failed to stop for a checkpoint around dusk.


This is of a government soldier in Liberia who had just fired a rocket at rebels and hit his target exactly. If you see the series of photos this comes from, it is particularly stunning, because he gets the before shot when he is preparing to fire as well.

4/21/2011 4:59:53 AM

I can understand not being surprised when somebody (reporter or soldier) dies in a an area like this, but not feeling bad for them? I guess I just don't quite follow that train of thought.

On a different note, the man took some astonishing photos. An earlier link didn't work for me just now, but I've been perusing this site: http://www.chrishondros.com/images.htm

4/21/2011 5:55:58 AM

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"And they do it to fulfill your desire to see pictures, to get a little boner to see something that shocks you."

speak for yourself, fella

[Edited on April 21, 2011 at 7:08 AM. Reason : jkl]

4/21/2011 7:07:55 AM

^

4/21/2011 7:11:51 AM

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"People who believe he was dumb for being in a war zone, and feel nothing for his death, are cowards."

I don't feel bad for him because I didn't know him, just like I don't feel bad for all the other people who die in the world every day that I don't know. I find it funny too that none of you people care about the Libyans that are dying either, only about the guy that graduated from NC State nearly 30 years ago.

4/21/2011 7:28:27 AM

1993 - 2010 = 30 years?

i don't think anyone said they didn't feel bad for the Lybians, too. that is making an assumption.

i also find it slightly disturbing that you are unable to "feel bad" for people you don't know who die

i mean...my first reaction to pretty much anyone dying, whether i know them or not, is "that sucks"



[Edited on April 21, 2011 at 7:43 AM. Reason : .]

4/21/2011 7:39:23 AM

A fair amount of us DO care about what's going on in Libya. But this thread is about one guy and what he did, not the Libyan conflict in general.

Clearly people have an arbitrary connection to those who are within their sphere of influence. I mean, if we had gone to UNC, then I'm sure the death of Eve Carson would have meant more, and if you lived in Japan, then you feel more connected to those hurt by the tsunami. That doesn't make it any more or less tragic, but it probably makes it a little more real.

The real point is that if it wasn't for people like this, the world wouldn't KNOW about Libya and Egypt and Syria. This guy didn't just take pictures, he also gave lectures and spoke about the impact of war and conflict. Hetherington's movie Restrepo was designed to give insight to those who don't know what war is really like, and to help people really understand what it would be like to serve a tour in one of the most dangerous outposts in a valley in Afghanistan. In the same vein, Hondros took pictures that were designed to capture what happens in conflict zones and other emotional environments. Hopefully because of these kinds of images, people are more likely to do something about it.

4/21/2011 7:45:26 AM

^ well said.

4/21/2011 7:46:16 AM

I've had Restrepo in my instant queue for awhile, maybe I'll watch it tomorrow

4/21/2011 8:14:07 AM

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"The real point is that if it wasn't for people like this, the world wouldn't KNOW about Libya and Egypt and Syria. This guy didn't just take pictures, he also gave lectures and spoke about the impact of war and conflict. Hetherington's movie Restrepo was designed to give insight to those who don't know what war is really like, and to help people really understand what it would be like to serve a tour in one of the most dangerous outposts in a valley in Afghanistan. In the same vein, Hondros took pictures that were designed to capture what happens in conflict zones and other emotional environments. Hopefully because of these kinds of images, people are more likely to do something about it. "

this is true-


but goddamnit people have been coming back from every war in the past century and saying 'war is hell'. What in the blue fuck do people expect?



also

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"i also find it slightly disturbing that you are unable to "feel bad" for people you don't know who die "

people die every second, better get some tissues.

[Edited on April 21, 2011 at 8:37 AM. Reason : -]

4/21/2011 8:36:35 AM

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"If you see the series of photos this comes from, it is particularly stunning, because he gets the before shot when he is preparing to fire as well."

There are also photos of this same guy a little later with his wig split.

4/21/2011 9:21:48 AM

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"people die every second, better get some tissues. "

you clearly didn't read my post very well.

4/21/2011 9:47:26 AM

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"1993 - 2010 = 30 years? i don't think anyone said they didn't feel bad for the Lybians, too. that is making an assumption. i also find it slightly disturbing that you are unable to "feel bad" for people you don't know who die i mean...my first reaction to pretty much anyone dying, whether i know them or not, is "that sucks" "

do clarify? I'm not the least bit concerned that people in other continents are dying, for whatever reason - nor do I find it disturbing when someone else feels the same. If I were to die, someone in Australia isn't going to be bummed for a few minutes, no?

Are you referring to unarmed civilians being killed in a war-zone? if so, then yes, that sucks. War sucks.

[Edited on April 21, 2011 at 9:55 AM. Reason : -]

4/21/2011 9:55:13 AM

tragic

4/21/2011 10:25:57 AM

he's an alumnus of my high school...sad to hear

4/21/2011 2:05:39 PM

He died doing what he loved. He knew what he was getting himself into.

4/21/2011 2:15:11 PM

Sucks, I met hondros a couple of years ago on campus. Nice guy from what I remember

4/21/2011 2:17:15 PM