Everytime i see fat people in the gym they are lifting weights. I never see fat people doing cardio, swimming or shooting hoops but they are pumping iron like all get out. Do people think they can turn fat into muscle by lifting weights? Why would fat women want to turn their fat into muscle?

7/1/2011 9:16:35 PM

i don't know where to start... start with the obvious answers, or the logical fallacies...

7/1/2011 9:17:32 PM

Shouldn't they be eating?

7/1/2011 9:18:13 PM

ibtthisisatrollthread


Lifting weights can burn just as many calories, if not more, when done right

and the more muscle you build, the easier it is to lose weight later (more muscle = more fat burning capabilities)


but yes, we get it- fatties are bad and the need to put down the big mac and get on a treadmill

7/1/2011 9:18:22 PM

Shouldn't they be sitting on the couch watching oprah?

7/1/2011 9:19:06 PM

you got to an odd gym, I always see the opposite

7/1/2011 9:19:50 PM

7/1/2011 9:20:38 PM

I used to be fat. Then I started gyming it up regularly. I do about half cardio, half weights and it works wonders.

Weight lifting is more effective when your heart rate is already up.

7/1/2011 9:36:41 PM

7/1/2011 9:53:41 PM

Fat cannot be turned into muscle. Muscle cannot turn into fat.

Lifting weights is good for fatties--they need to do it for at least a couple of reasons.

That said, fatties should not be doing isolation work...it is pointless for a fatty to be doing lateral dumbbell raises, or really even bicep curls. It should be all compound movements, involving big muscle groups. Bench presses, squats, deadlifts, cleans, pull-ups (if they can do them), rows, etc.

7/1/2011 10:15:43 PM

why are lazy people always watching other people work out?

[Edited on July 1, 2011 at 10:18 PM. Reason : f]

7/1/2011 10:18:06 PM

I'm a fatty and I light weights. I've consumed probably 20,000 calories in the last 5 days.

7/1/2011 10:19:27 PM

what the hell do you care what someone else is doing in the gym?

mind your business, get your workout in, and leave.



also, shit like this is what causes fatties to stay away from gyms in the first place, perpetuating general fattiness.

7/1/2011 10:24:51 PM

well if you're really fat bench pressing is kind of easy because you barely have to bring the bar down to hit your tits, I knew a guy that def had this advantage that could prob bench 450+, he was strong as hell to begin with but the fattiness made him really have to go down halfway

7/1/2011 11:06:30 PM

ahaha

7/1/2011 11:07:37 PM

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"I used to be fat. Then I started gyming it up regularly. I do about half cardio, half weights and it works wonders. Weight lifting is more effective when your heart rate is already up."

Ummm.... this is backwards.

Cardio is more effective after weights.

7/2/2011 1:13:38 AM

I like weight lifting.

When I was a fatty, begonias made me do cardio but for the most part I hate it. Or at least, I hate mind numbingly dull cardio such as a treadmill or elliptical. I would much rather lift weights then go kick and punch the hell out of a bag or something similar. But if I usually don't do cardio when I go to the gym now... I actually feel more exhausted after lifting.

7/2/2011 2:16:30 AM

Lifting weights is going to add muscle tissue and incraease weight. This extra weight puts more strain on your heart. Cardio makes your heart stronger, reduces cholesterol AND burns more fat. Seems like a no brainer to me but 99% people don't seem to get it. I will never be that guy and say something to them but I can't help but watch everyone else in between my reps.

[Edited on July 2, 2011 at 4:16 AM. Reason : even walking on a treadmill is better]

7/2/2011 4:16:08 AM

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"SELF FULFILLING PROPHESY"

The only improvements you ever make on your body are those that hurt like a motherfucker. You have to think of the thing you absolutely hate the most, and that's what you should be doing for a workout.

Also - fatties like to lie to themselves and talk about unshapely body mass as being ripped. Nothing quite like arm flab in a muscle shirt.

7/2/2011 4:22:11 AM

^^ Back up all your assumptions with references of studies showing evidence of what you are claiming.

Otherwise, it is all conjecture.

There is no "no-brainers" or "common sense" in the medical sciences... everything has to be replicably demonstrated by a study, especially when you are trying to change people's lifestyles, eating habits, behaviors, etc.

As an example, high-fat low-carb diets are more effective than low-fat diets at reducing weight. "Common sense" has been telling people the opposite for centuries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence-based_medicine

7/2/2011 5:35:14 AM

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[Edited on July 2, 2011 at 7:42 AM. Reason : ...]

7/2/2011 7:41:48 AM

more trolling, move along.

7/2/2011 7:47:15 AM

Dumb thread is dumb

7/2/2011 8:06:26 AM

At least they are doing something.....

7/2/2011 9:43:14 AM

duh, they are training to shovel huge quantities of food into their mouths

7/2/2011 9:46:39 AM

You're one of the people that makes fat people feel bad for going to gyms...nice job.

7/2/2011 10:01:20 AM

I learned most of my stuff from the PE teachers at State. If you know where academic information on weight lifting can be found, let me know.

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"As an example, high-fat low-carb diets are more effective than low-fat diets at reducing weight. "Common sense" has been telling people the opposite for centuries."

This is true but its not a good idea. Carbs give you energy and when you run out of carbs your body uses proteins as energy and converts fat into carbs. These are both very inefficient forms of energy and you will fill like shit while you are doing it making good exercise almost impossible.

The best thing to do is to eat more carbs so that you can have good energy to exercise.

7/2/2011 11:24:16 AM

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"These are both very inefficient forms of energy and you will fill like shit while you are doing it making good exercise almost impossible."

This is not necessarily true. Many of the body's systems run more efficiently on ketones.

7/2/2011 11:33:56 AM

that explains why most bodybuilders and fitness competitors run low-carb diets to fuel their workouts when dieting.

[Edited on July 2, 2011 at 11:35 AM. Reason : inefficient burning of fuel is a blessing during dieting. It's the reason drugs like DNP melt fat.]

7/2/2011 11:34:56 AM

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[Edited on July 2, 2011 at 11:40 AM. Reason : :]

7/2/2011 11:39:40 AM

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"that explains why most bodybuilders and fitness competitors run low-carb diets to fuel their workouts when dieting."

cool story bro

The best explanation I've heard so far is simply that people spontaneously eat less calories on low carb because it's much better at controlling hunger.

and I've read multiple books proposing low carb diets, not all of which I found totally convincing

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"As an example, high-fat low-carb diets are more effective than low-fat diets at reducing weight. "Common sense" has been telling people the opposite for centuries."

I should point out that fat really started getting demonized in the 1950s. In the 19th century, it was well known in the literature that carbs were inherently fattening.

[Edited on July 2, 2011 at 11:52 AM. Reason : asdfasdf]

7/2/2011 11:40:01 AM

I personally loved the never hungry feeling on low-carb diets. I always felt like my stomach got smaller on low-carb diets also, since the foods you tend to eat are energy dense and don't expand as much in your stomach like breads, pasta, and rice do.

You did feel weaker doing cardio and lifting, but it was completely manageable. Besides, you're not trying to make performance gains while dieting, just maintain what you have.

7/2/2011 11:53:53 AM

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"You did feel weaker doing cardio and lifting, but it was completely manageable. Besides, you're not trying to make performance gains while dieting, just maintain what you have."

Yup. I'm going to spend the rest of the month trying to lean out.

Yesterday I ate 3 square meals (including pancakes with chocolate syrup), half a pineapple, and a gallon of milk. Time to tighten the belt.

I think I'm going to drop down to lifting once a week. I would hope this is enough to maintain...

7/2/2011 11:57:51 AM

I'd encourage you to lift much more often, but with extremely reduced volume. You don't have enough energy store to do a lot of lifting, so pick 3-4 days a week to go in and hit 1-2 heavy compound movement exercises for about 3-4 working sets. You'll be spent lifting after that, so spend the rest of your time in the gym doing low intensity cardio. The pounds will melt off that way, and you won't lose muscle as bad.

7/2/2011 12:00:50 PM

this thread makes me want a big mac

7/2/2011 12:33:57 PM

I want ot see saps lifting weights.

7/2/2011 12:35:38 PM

Are push-ups considered a compound movement? Seems like it involves as many muscles as a pull-up or bench press but I never hear it mentioned.

7/2/2011 12:36:26 PM

used to have a dumbbell set years ago

7/2/2011 12:37:18 PM

push-ups are fairly compound, but most people don't get enough resistance from them unless you elevate your feet up on a bench or add weights on your back.

7/2/2011 12:39:06 PM

^

7/2/2011 12:43:51 PM

^ ^ I don't know if you heard me counting but I did over a thousand.

7/2/2011 1:14:45 PM

You guys are simply talking about losing weight while I'm talking about whole body health.

Being able to sustain cardio activity over a prolonged period of time is the most important thing you can do in the gym. This strengthens your heart. The main reason for going to the gym isn't to look thin or buff, its to be healthy.

You will be hard pressed to run a long distance event without loading up on carbs. Carbs are where are body is supposed to get its energy. Low carb diets are essentially "cheating" because they are cheap ways of losing weight.

7/2/2011 8:38:06 PM

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"what the hell do you care what someone else is doing in the gym?"

its my business what hot chicks are doing in the gym

7/2/2011 8:55:19 PM

I hope this is a troll thread.

7/2/2011 8:56:49 PM

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"The main reason for going to the gym isn't to look thin or buff, its to be healthy."

Uh, different people have different reasons for going to the gym...?

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"Cardio makes your heart stronger, reduces cholesterol AND burns more fat [than resistance exercise]."

Back up the bold part with a reference or two, or STFU!

7/3/2011 1:23:27 AM

http://health.discovery.com/centers/cholesterol/activity/activity.html

You can see that for a 300 pound person 20 minutes of continuous weight lifting burns 180 calories while walking slow for 20 minutes burns 384 calories.

Walking SLOWLY burns twice as much as lifting.

7/3/2011 1:35:45 AM

Thanks for the reference... that's all I was asking.

NOW:

Cardio's and lifting's benefits overlap somewhat. However, cardio provides some benefits that lifting doesn't, AND VICE VERSA as well.

The bold part is why you see them lifting, or maybe because lifting is easier for the majority of people (fat or otherwise) compared to cardio, or a combination of both.

P.S. Didn't click on the link yet, but did the study take into account the extra calories burnt from lifting AFTER the workout (for upto 12 hours!) due to the increase in BMR due to the increased muscle mass?

7/3/2011 1:42:21 AM

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"P.S. Didn't click on the link yet, but did the study take into account the extra calories burnt from lifting AFTER the workout (for upto 12 hours!) due to the increase in BMR due to the increased muscle mass?"

I trust that discovery knows what they are doing even though this bonus would be negligible considering the 110% difference we are talking about.

7/3/2011 1:58:36 AM

dat 190% body fat?

7/3/2011 2:00:12 AM

set em up

7/3/2011 2:07:37 AM