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"The no-kids-allowed movement is spreading What's the matter with kids today and why doesn't anyone want them around? In June, Malaysia Airlines banned babies from many of their first class cabins, prompting other major airlines to consider similar policies. Lately, complaints about screaming kids are being taken seriously, not only by airlines, but by hotels, movie theaters, restaurants, and even grocery stores. Earlier this month, McDain's, a Pittsburgh area restaurant that banned kids under 6 became a mascot for the no-kids-zone movement. According to a Pittsburgh local news poll, more than half of area residents were in favor of the ban. And now big business is paying attention. "Brat bans could well be the next frontier in destination and leisure-product marketing," writes Robert Klara in an article on the child-free trend in AdWeek. Klara points to Leavethembehind.com, a travel website for kid-free vacations, with a massive list of yoga retreats, luxury resorts and bargain hotels around the world that ban children. "

http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/parenting/the-no-kids-allowed-movement-is-spreading-2516110

About time!

7/27/2011 7:58:09 PM

I think this is a good thing. I hate going into a business where there are out of control children running amuck.

7/27/2011 8:00:16 PM

Yes, damn those babies for crying!

Because when I was that age, I never did such a thing! How annoying!!!

I can only see this being appropriate in movie theaters, certain restaurants, and other places such as libraries, tree stands, and sniper nests.

7/27/2011 8:02:03 PM

it starts in the womb.


if women can choose then so can private business

7/27/2011 8:07:02 PM

I can get behind this movement. I just want peace and quiet and kids are the polar opposite of that.

7/27/2011 8:36:24 PM

We've caught a lot of flak for making our wedding reception adult-only, despite offering to provide dinner, entertainment, and a sitter at a location across the street. Neither of us want a bunch of kids running around and just want adults to be adults for once, but many of the folks are just strangely attached to having their kids with them everywhere. A couple have pitched a huge fit and said they weren't coming for that sole reason. I really don't get it, but I just said "screw 'em".

I wish more people could get on board with the fact that some adults just want to do their thing every once in a while without having to be around a bunch of bratty kids. I like this trend.

7/27/2011 8:40:22 PM

I like kids in their time and place. I don't mind teaching them how to fix bikes most Sundays, or don't care if they run into me repeatedly at Target with the shopping cart, or swim into my lane at the family pool, or bother me at a ballgame. Kids are expected in those places, and I do yell at the parents if their spawn is behaving badly.

But I'll be damned if I want to put up with them in adult only places- I'm thinking bars, restaurants after a certain hour, and clubs. Totally inappropriate for your baby, toddler or young child to be out after 10 any night of the week and screaming its head off, unless you're at a travel plaza or something. Hire a babysitter if you need to get away.

7/27/2011 8:42:33 PM

Whether children should be allowed in certain establishments is essentially irrelevant. Children are not some protected civil rights group, nor should they be - they are already nearly the property of another person anyway. If a private business wants to refuse access to children, or the elderly, or those age 34-47, that is their prerogative IMHO. At this point in my life, I'd probably choose to frequent places that I know won't have children scurrying about, and for a variety of reasons.

7/27/2011 8:51:05 PM

Bad parenting results in ill-behaved kids -> kids banned adult venues -> no incentive to properly train spawn

Its a vicious cycle

7/27/2011 9:13:31 PM

^^and you wonder why kids resent the grownups

7/27/2011 9:50:07 PM

let's face it - the problem isn't the kids - it's the parents.

7/27/2011 9:53:37 PM

what is the end game?

i don't like you weak people being around me in the weightroom. i don't like dumbass people around me if i'm working. i'd prefer jerkoff bikers not running me over at lake johnson. i don't prefer talentless pretty faces on the radio. i don't want annoying ass liberal morons on a message board pointing out that one person is less than another and shouldn't be there.

almost adults make me laugh.

so what is the end game?

7/27/2011 10:12:26 PM

^^^ So?

I don't understand why people think it is appropriate to bring their toddler to a restaurant where other people are paying good money for a quiet meal.

7/27/2011 10:18:40 PM

and that, my friend, is called capitalism. if you don't like the kids that are there DO NOT FUCKING GO THERE and go someplace else. or stay at home.

7/27/2011 10:20:10 PM

Everyone's had a meal at a bar at some point just because they had a headache and didn't want to risk being around screaming kids. Sports on TV>>>>>>>>screaming devil spawn

I have met some great kids, but it only takes one idiot that won't take their screaming infant outside to make you want to puke.

[Edited on July 27, 2011 at 10:24 PM. Reason : ...]

7/27/2011 10:20:40 PM

^^ You really enjoy shitting on threads I see

[Edited on July 27, 2011 at 10:21 PM. Reason : .]

7/27/2011 10:21:16 PM

so having an opinion that doesn't conform to the [current] college student thought process makes me turd on threads?

haha. good luck in life...where there are many, many kids

7/27/2011 10:24:15 PM

and this is why I support 31st-trimester abortions

7/27/2011 10:24:22 PM

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"if you don't like the kids that are there DO NOT FUCKING GO THERE and go someplace else"

that's kind of the idea. the article is talking about the "someplace else"

[Edited on July 27, 2011 at 10:38 PM. Reason : goddamn crotchfruit]

7/27/2011 10:36:05 PM

eh, as a guy who always has a toddler in tow, I don't take it personally if restaurants have a no kid rule, as long as said rule is clear before I walk in the door, or is obvious by how formal the restaurant is.

There are plenty of joints that ARE kid friendly.

7/27/2011 10:37:29 PM

one time a bunch of us went out to eat with my 2 year old nephew in tow.

a member of my family thought it was so cute that he was screaming and procceded to encourage it and he got louder and louder.

cody and i were really (really really) embarrassed and from that point forward decided that we would probably never take our kids to a restaurant until they are speaking.

(or its their birthday or special occasion or something too. but the second he or she gets loud. we'll leave or something i dont know )

[Edited on July 27, 2011 at 10:39 PM. Reason : sdfdsf]

7/27/2011 10:38:50 PM

^Agreed. I have no issue with kids in a restaurant/movie if the parents can control. My sister has a 18 month old, and she's wonderfully well behaved 90% of the time. And that other 10% of the time, the moment she starts acting up, sister takes her out of the restaurant. Sure, it sucks that she doesn't get to enjoy her food, but no one else should have to listen to her baby make a fuss. And when she's calmed back down, both come back in.

There's no reason to ban children if the parents expect good behavior. I don't expect children to be good 100% of the time, but I do expect parents to compensate when they are not. All babies cry, but that doesn't mean they need to remain sitting at the table the entire time. We've had plenty of meals where one person was outside walking the baby while the rest of the group ate, after a few minutes, we'd switch off. It was just never acceptable to think we could disturb others just so we could eat out.

7/27/2011 10:46:09 PM

WORD ...

We have 3 (4,3,1) ... the only place we take them is Chik fil a on the free kids meal nights

Not so much because we are cheap (we are) but because the place is packed with other families just like us.


Now, that said, my wife took our kids to a different chik-fil-a last week (north raleigh somewhere). The kids were playing in the big play pen area, and the manager came out and complained that the kids were too loud. They werent yelling the entire time ... but were enjoying themselves and would let out a laugh or yell once in a while.

Like bobby said .. no problem if there is a sign or fair notice. But at a GD chik-fil-a ... you have got to be kidding me. Some people just need to accept the fact that if they walk in a chik-fil-a or any restaurant with a play place, that there is an expectation that kids will be having fun there. If they cannot deal with that, they should find another restaurant (or not manage one).

[Edited on July 27, 2011 at 10:53 PM. Reason : .]

7/27/2011 10:52:17 PM

In Chick-Fil-A's defense, they probably just thought your kids were gay and they have a company-wide policy about that sort of thing.

7/27/2011 11:05:51 PM

what is the legal precident? if it says no kids under, say, five, how can they make you proove the age?

i mean, if you said they were 14, how are they to say that they are not? and then they refuse to serve someone who is old enough to be served. doubtful

only a matter of time before the no kids allowed things goes away for good with legal-eeze

7/27/2011 11:07:46 PM

Does the restaurant have a kids menu? If yes, I'll bring my kid there. If not, we go somewhere that has a kids menu, or he's staying home.

7/27/2011 11:24:34 PM

Never go to Moe's on Monday evenings

7/27/2011 11:30:59 PM

About time. Maybe it's just me, but it seems as though parents are unable and unwilling to stop their kids from being nuisances to others when in public.

Back in my day, you'd get your ass beat for acting like a jackass.

7/27/2011 11:42:47 PM

Good I hope this movement picks up. When you have a baby that is basically the biggest life changing moment you will ever have. Part of what comes with that is things like not eating out where other people are. Either get a babysitter or stay at home and eat. Nothing makes me want to stab myself in the head with a fork more than trying to eat or some other social activity and to have some baby start wailing.

[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 12:12 AM. Reason : .]

7/28/2011 12:10:21 AM

I support this movement!

7/28/2011 12:22:24 AM

Wow.

You people.

7/28/2011 2:24:18 AM

I like this. not fully the child's fault but the parents.

I was never a screaming brat i knew better b/c of the spanking i could get.

7/28/2011 2:39:00 AM

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"so having an opinion that doesn't conform to the [current] college student thought process makes me turd on threads?"

The average age of the people who have posted in this thread can't be lower than 26

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"legal-eeze"

Really?

7/28/2011 6:37:12 AM

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"a GD chik-fil-a"

Hah, the irony.

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"and that, my friend, is called capitalism. if you don't like the kids that are there DO NOT FUCKING GO THERE and go someplace else. or stay at home. start a business that provides a kid free atmosphere."

Fixed it for you.

7/28/2011 7:13:13 AM

what a funny thread. I used to have this perspective.

7/28/2011 7:36:41 AM

if i were a parent I think i would still support this movement.

7/28/2011 8:03:53 AM

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"Never go to Moe's on Monday evenings"

This.

And we recently went to a Sandals resort (no kid policy) and it was one of the most relaxing vacations I've ever had. I sympathize with parents who still want to go to dinner and whatnot and have children, but most of them do not have control of said offspring and it makes it a very unenjoyable environment for 95% of the restaurant.

7/28/2011 8:24:16 AM

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"Now, that said, my wife took our kids to a different chik-fil-a last week (north raleigh somewhere). The kids were playing in the big play pen area, and the manager came out and complained that the kids were too loud."

Wow.





And yeah parents can be blamed, but there's a limit. Some kids are just wild at a certain age. Our kid certainly was. A will that could not be broken either by promise of reward, threat, or force. I guess we did our part in those days by just not going out. period.

At least having a child did one thing for me. It allowed me to have sympathy for the parent that is trying and it helped me be less selfish and actually have a scrap of patience for children. Maybe it also helped me develop the skill of tuning them out when needed.

[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 8:36 AM. Reason : -]

7/28/2011 8:28:29 AM

kids are going to cry and its grating on an untrained ear, you were once a child and god willing you will raise children.

most people in their middle ages are stable, have wealth, and have children.

a restaurant's bread and butter isn't some college kid ordering free bread and water.

7/28/2011 8:43:02 AM

this is fantastic and it's obviously a good business decision, or it wouldn't be so popular.

nobody else cares about your kids people

7/28/2011 8:43:52 AM

i'm a parent and I support this. there are always places that you can take your kids whether its a restaurant, vacation etc. that's why you have "family night out" or "family vacations" vs "date nights" and "couples vacations". the last thing i want to deal with while on a date night or a romantic getaway with my wife is a bunch of screaming kids. i mean hell, the reason we didn't bring our kid along is because we wanted to get away from kids.

7/28/2011 8:48:31 AM

^^^i think you fail to see that the majority of the posters in this thread are closer to their 30s than their college days.


the no-kids movement is great for higher end places that cater an adult atmosphere. I surely don't expect it nor want it at every chilis, applebees, and fred lobster.

7/28/2011 8:49:39 AM

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"most people in their middle ages are stable, have wealth, and have children."

Uh

7/28/2011 8:50:02 AM

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"Agreed. I have no issue with kids in a restaurant/movie if the parents can control. My sister has a 18 month old, and she's wonderfully well behaved 90% of the time. And that other 10% of the time, the moment she starts acting up, sister takes her out of the restaurant. Sure, it sucks that she doesn't get to enjoy her food, but no one else should have to listen to her baby make a fuss. And when she's calmed back down, both come back in. There's no reason to ban children if the parents expect good behavior. I don't expect children to be good 100% of the time, but I do expect parents to compensate when they are not. All babies cry, but that doesn't mean they need to remain sitting at the table the entire time. We've had plenty of meals where one person was outside walking the baby while the rest of the group ate, after a few minutes, we'd switch off. It was just never acceptable to think we could disturb others just so we could eat out."

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS.

When I was working at a restaurant, I was amazed at how parents would just completely ignore their children while they were out of control. And I don't mean infants. I mean kids in elementary school that should have been taught better by their parents how to act in public.

If your kid is being loud and obnoxious, take them out to the car until they calm down. This is what my parents did with me and what I intend to do with my children. It sucks but that's life.

7/28/2011 9:00:48 AM

Vast majority of people who have posted are out of college. We are willing to spend our money to go to no-kids establishments.

7/28/2011 9:43:53 AM

i'm going to lock my kids in the car with the windows cracked.

7/28/2011 9:46:50 AM

All the people posting in this thread saying what should be done when a kid starts crying in a restaurant are neglecting that this movement is catching on because so many parents don't do those things. Yes, some people have well-behaved kids who do fine in nice places most of the time. Yes, some people do take their children outside when they misbehave lest they annoy other people. But a lot don't. It's not the good parents this is aimed toward; it's the shitty ones who want to be their kid's friend rather than parent and let them get away with anything and think it's cute, or self-expression, or whatever.

To those saying "if you don't like kids, just go somewhere without them": I think that's the point. What happens when you go to a nicer establishment where you'd expect to be free from children behaving badly and halfway through your meal you realize there's a kid banging on the table next to you and screaming, and the parents think that's OK? It's those types of places I can see this catching on.

7/28/2011 9:59:34 AM

Then the solution should not be "no kids allowed" but rather "management reserves the right to ask misbehaving families to leave if they disturb other patrons." That seems more all inclusive, and covers obnoxious diners as well as screaming children.

7/28/2011 10:32:30 AM

Right after I wrote that comment about kids shouldn't be out at bars, I went to Fullsteam and someone had an infant out past 10 p.m. I wonder if the bar shut down early because people left because of the kid .

7/28/2011 10:36:39 AM

^^ I agree with this point

[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 10:38 AM. Reason : .]

7/28/2011 10:37:46 AM