not what it takes to get in, but what an undergraduate actually makes.


specifically UNC, NCSU, et al.

i tried googling but i can't seem to do it.

7/28/2011 10:00:41 AM

you mean...the average?

7/28/2011 10:01:46 AM

yeah.
sorry i wan't clear, but i dont know what else there would be

std deviations would be good too.



[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 10:03 AM. Reason : sfdfds]

7/28/2011 10:02:37 AM

Quote :

"I WAN'T CLEAR"

7/28/2011 10:03:54 AM

I


WASN'T


CLEAR

7/28/2011 10:06:48 AM

specifically...et al.

7/28/2011 10:11:12 AM

i swear i hate all of you.

[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 10:13 AM. Reason : i was thinking something that had a lot of comparable schools with unc and ncsu being on the list. ]

[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 10:14 AM. Reason : next time im sending my topics to a fucking editor.]

7/28/2011 10:13:02 AM

std deviations only apply if you end up with one of the big 3 vd's no?

7/28/2011 10:14:24 AM

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=499444&page=34

7/28/2011 10:23:47 AM

oh i thought you were goin for "i won't clear" heh

7/28/2011 10:25:18 AM

Information is a bit out-of-date is but this might work

http://gradeinflation.com/

7/28/2011 10:27:31 AM

hahaha

its not that big of a deal (hence the hastily typed op)



but whattahappened was
cody and i were talking about UNC and the merits of their school.
of course it was a little biased but we were trying to be as objective as possible (which of course was probably not )...and we starting talking about whether, academically, it really was a superior school.
got me to thinking too...
well i heard (i think from here) that the gpas of undergraduates at UNC are usually a bit higher than that of say NCSU or ECU or even WFU or Duke. But i'm not sure.

couple that (if it is true) with the fact that they only take generally really smart people.
i did read somewhere that 97% of their incoming freshman have a 3.75 or higher. (i can find that source if you want )

now combining these two it makes me think that its a strong possibility that the level of basic courses being taught are NO harder than that of competing schools.
i mean these students could go to almost any school and get the same caliber education (now there are some exceptions im sure, im being kinda general here...thinking about bio 101 shit)

this would mean that they don't provide a better education (of course like i said there are a few exceptions, isn't UNC known for journalism?)


now there is the possibility that the classes are harder and they still are making better grades. (this is very much so a possibility but it would be kinda hard to prove, and even then could the grading scale be easier? padding grades? it would be hard to prove)

and also theres the idea that other schools just party more


of course this is COMPLETELY contingent on the gpa of students of UNC as well as other schools.





thats the short.

let it be known that
1. i do NOT accept any of this as fact, just musings to myself. i'm sure there are several flaws in that thinking...feel free to point them out. a
nd i am fully aware that you guys have the ability to blow this out of the water and make me feel really really dumb. do it. i have no problem admitting i am wrong. then i can muse on something else.

B. i understand that i am in NO way the first person to think this.
but its kinda fun to come up with on your own



[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 10:35 AM. Reason : ^thanks boo ]

7/28/2011 10:33:35 AM

Seriously though, are you talking about undergraduates who graduate? I think 2.0 is like the rock bottom minimum GPA you can get without getting kicked out eventually. And then each college has their own requirements that may be higher than that. So it seems like the stats would be skewed by the fact that people who don't meet a minimum get the boot.

I'd guess Chapel Hill's average is much, much higher than State's average. UNC-CH has way more grade inflation, and State has more unprepared kids getting their butts kicked in math/science classes that I can't even name. Chapel Hill is moving to those contextualized transcripts that basically call out easy classes.

7/28/2011 10:33:40 AM

Quote :

"UNC-CH has way more grade inflation, and State has more unprepared kids getting their butts kicked in math/science classes that I can't even name"

this is basically what im thinking

[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 10:36 AM. Reason : that site ROCKS ernie! ]

7/28/2011 10:34:39 AM

On the GPA thing, there's no actual measurement that can accurately be taken. Too many variables. Too easy to prejudice.

You could measure successful graduation from schools in a GPA range and the likelihood of employment without graduate education, but even that is going to have to account for things that make no sense. (Emotional variables, background, previous education, extracurricular activities, community situation)

7/28/2011 10:40:01 AM

Carolina is a good school, most of the people who attend are good people. State is a good school, some of the people who attend are fuckheads. The only people who argue over academic integrity are insecure about their own education. Glass houses and shit.

7/28/2011 10:41:49 AM

^ i am not saying that UNC is a bad school..... at all. (i wasn't trying to argue that at all...did it come off that way?!?! )

i'm wondering if it's a superior school like most people believe it is.

i mean i guess it is in the fact that only "the brightest" go there.





this whole convo stemmed from the classic "youre just mad cause you didn't get in to UNC" statement.

[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 10:45 AM. Reason : sfdfdss]

7/28/2011 10:44:01 AM

You wanna fight

[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 10:45 AM. Reason : I'll hit you right in the face]

7/28/2011 10:45:13 AM

BRING IT BITCH

7/28/2011 10:45:45 AM

Have you searched google's deep web or dark net?

7/28/2011 10:46:46 AM

^ i have never heard of those

[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 10:49 AM. Reason : i'm gonna study for a few hours ... don't be too hard on me ]

7/28/2011 10:48:13 AM

^^Don't be mad if you didn't get into UNC. Be mad if you didn't get into Shaw.

7/28/2011 10:55:37 AM

what the fuck is going on itt

7/28/2011 11:04:03 AM

absolutely nothing

im just rambling

7/28/2011 11:05:20 AM

It's pretty much impossible to judge how good an education one gets at a school relative to others.

Even widely accepted rankings like Princeton Review are based on mostly stuff like graduation rate (the higher the better) and how much alumni donate.

7/28/2011 11:13:34 AM

Quote :

"SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASE DEVIATIONS"

7/28/2011 12:02:12 PM

lol i didnt even realize i did that


ATM MACHINE

7/28/2011 12:27:41 PM

Certainly. The data you seek is exclusively maintained by the IRS, where net income over your lifetime is correlated at a rate of $5 per 0.01 grade point.

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[Edited on July 28, 2011 at 12:34 PM. Reason :

Quote :

""youre just mad cause you didn't get in to UNC" statement. "

I got into UNC!]

7/28/2011 12:32:49 PM

specifically i wan't sure who was better myself

7/28/2011 11:09:04 PM

My feeling is that an undergrad degree from State is worth more than one from UNC, while a grad degree from UNC is generally worth more than one from State.

7/29/2011 12:44:47 AM