Either post or PM me your resume summary. I need to use a few keywords but im drawing a blank on how to present it all.

8/18/2011 10:37:16 PM

what is this summary of which you speak

8/18/2011 10:38:29 PM

baller
copperheads
genetics

8/18/2011 10:40:28 PM

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"BAD ASS MOTHAFUCKA"

8/18/2011 10:40:31 PM

like "i did such and such, im proactive, im good at drinking beer, i do shit good, plz hire me"

some resumes have this. I'm filling out one and have to put something.

8/18/2011 10:40:51 PM

I don't usually write my resume like that... bullet points, yo


and CVs are where it's at

8/18/2011 10:47:12 PM

paging ThePeter

8/18/2011 10:47:54 PM

yeah, i just go like

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" name/address objective (some statement about my goals) education ..... experience -job title, dates worked there -job company/location -2 bullet points on what i did (list a few of these) computer knowledge -software/languages im familiar with relevant coursework -long list of courses i keep it all on 1 page"

8/18/2011 10:57:38 PM

I need to update mine

8/18/2011 11:00:10 PM

"Husband, Father of 4, Author, LinkedIn connector, Sales 2.0 /Web 2.0 / New Media guru, Email Marketing virtuoso at Delta Apparel, Owner of Hy*r Media, LLC"

8/18/2011 11:08:28 PM

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"CHICKEN BONE EARRINGS"

[Edited on August 18, 2011 at 11:25 PM. Reason : retro]

8/18/2011 11:24:37 PM

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"BEST FRIEND CHICKEN"

8/18/2011 11:29:28 PM

its funny, i've always heard keep it on one page. This technical recruiter was like "yeah make it 2 or 3 pages, its cool"

8/18/2011 11:45:11 PM

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"Sandwich Engineer"

Quote :

"Shit House Technician"

8/18/2011 11:48:29 PM

if you havent been in the full time workforce for more than 10 years then leave out a summary (which no one uses anyway) and keep that shit to one page

8/18/2011 11:48:38 PM

Big, veiny, pleasure.

8/19/2011 1:15:37 AM

wish i had seen this thread earlier

cause i basically got an hour window to send my resume to some prospective companies

stay tuned

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"keep that shit to one page"

disagree

one i submitted tonight was about 1.5 pages, but i think they'd rather see 1.5 pages of work than 1.0 pages of work

i don't get the 1.0 page brevity aspect

[Edited on August 19, 2011 at 1:33 AM. Reason : .]

8/19/2011 1:32:24 AM

^ The reason for 1-page brevity is the average HR person has about 10 seconds to look over your resume. They're not going to bother reading that extra half page. A resume is supposed to be a highlight of your skills and experiences directly relevant to the position your applying for. It doesn't have to be your life work story.

That said, this assumes that they're printing out the resumes to look at them. These days people submit them electronically so it's not as big of a deal if it's over a page, but you really don't need to be putting every job you've ever worked on there. The only time people can really get away with a 2 page resume is if they're mid-career with decades of experience and credentials.

My objective was:

A position promoting internationalization in NC and fostering global ties to the state and the company.

Then under a header I called Qualifications I had:

Four years of overseas experience working with people from 13 countries to promote international
understanding. Highlight of skills include:

with a inset box with bullet points that included:
? Cross-cultural training
? Program development
? Advising
? Event planning
? Budget management
? Personnel management
? Japanese
? Public speaking

My current boss said part of the reason they interviewed me was my resume was very well put together and easy to pick out the information they needed. ie, I made it look pretty and used lots of short bullet points

[Edited on August 19, 2011 at 8:45 AM. Reason : a]

8/19/2011 8:43:07 AM

I just got a job with VF Corp in Greensboro as an internal auditor. I was contacted by a head-hunter who was impressed with my resume, which they found on CareerBuilder. Here are the sections that made up my 1.5-page resume:

Career Objectives (two sentences)
Education (school, department, type of degree, brief overview of coursework)
Professional Experience (two jobs in four years, each with a list of duties and my most impressive contributions)
Professional Qualifications (pc applications, languages spoken, areas of experience)
Personal Qualities/Notes (personal traits that are relevant to the position I'm seeking, hobbies, travel & relocation availability, etc)
References available upon request


[Edited on August 19, 2011 at 10:38 AM. Reason : .]

8/19/2011 10:36:00 AM

I go with "Come at me bro", seems to work alright

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"1.5 pages Personal Qualities/Notes (personal traits that are relevant to the position I'm seeking, hobbies, travel & relocation availability, etc) References available upon request"

Stop it.

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"pc applications"

MS OFFICE SUITE EXPERT

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"paging ThePeter"

[Edited on August 19, 2011 at 10:39 AM. Reason : ]

8/19/2011 10:36:37 AM

wat?

8/19/2011 10:38:33 AM

jaZon haha


my resume is 2 pages with the most important stuff on page 1. I couldn't get it down to 1 as much as I tried.

8/19/2011 10:41:42 AM

thats what cover letters are for

and most online systems dont even require you submit a cover letter. im sure HR does not read them and only scans the resume.

Because of this, I have always kept it to one page, with relevant experience. I keep on the objective, summary, blah blah blah and just provide targeted, relevant bullet points to the job posting

8/19/2011 10:44:06 AM

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"its funny, i've always heard keep it on one page. This technical recruiter was like "yeah make it 2 or 3 pages, its cool""

courier new.

you're welcome.

8/19/2011 10:45:58 AM

This is how many people are applying today for your position:



When an HR has that many resumes on their desk, they're going to do it as fast as possible. That means they are going to eventually have automatic disqualifiers...paragraphs they have to read, more than one page, pink and sparkly letters, anything they want. They don't care about your life story, they care about matching your resume to the key words on the job description.

1.5 pages is unnecessary at this point of your career, especially if you're still referring to it as your Resume. When you move to Curriculum Vitae, then you go can go over 1. Then again, this type of position is going to be highly selective, so they may take time to make sure they get the correct research PhD. Are you applying for a research PhD? A C.V., or rather, the inclusion of additional pages, is generally reserved for big stuff...companies owned, patents, doctorates, cured cancer, etc. Additionally, I have heard over and over that HR looks for any reason to eliminate resumes, often times a staple is grounds for dismissal.

Going over 1 page to include personal stuff that isn't relevant to the position is unnecessary. If you have room on the first page, sure, maybe you can make a connection that will make the HR laugh and put you in the maybe interview pile, but I eliminated mine once I had enough relevant experiences to fill a page. Maybe this is just for technical positions, I don't know what they do for rock climbing jobs.

An HR rep with a pile of resumes is looking for keywords relevant to the job posting. "I like dogs" isn't relevant to "Design of manufacturing equipment for the production of Chemical X". Once you get the interview, let them know you like dogs, and would like to set up a doggy date. Maybe the guy interviewing you likes dogs. HR doesn't care, the job position doesn't say "Must like dogs".

Travel and relocation availability is assumed if you're applying for a position not in your town.

PC applications are assumed known if you're applying for a position that requires a technical degree. Sure, if you are an expert at Matlab, Solidworks, Aspen, or whatever real technical programs you may come across then post those. Don't waste space on your resume saying you can make powerpoints.

"References upon request" is an outdated line. Again, its something that is assumed. Having this line on your resume isn't going to make or break you making the "interview" pile.

[Edited on August 19, 2011 at 10:57 AM. Reason : I mean most of this applies to new professionals, the game changes with years and years of experienc]

8/19/2011 10:54:26 AM

I came in to day almost exactly what ^ said.

Keep it one page. Do not go over if you can help it. Never do a CV unless you're doing something medical, law, or academically related.

Cover letters are read but only if your resume looks worth a damn. They'll scan the resume to find out if you're a fit and if so they'll scan the cover letter to determine why you're better or worse than the other fits.

As for software suites and shit like that. Incorporate it in your bullets if you're going to talk about them. "Used Excel to develop..." "Analyzed in Base SAS..." etc..

Last but not least DO NOT HAVE A ONE FITS ALL RESUME. Take the time, read the description and highlight your accomplishments so that they match those listed in the description. You may know that "enhanced application features and worked on new application development" means the same as "performed product optimization and directed market strategies" but HR won't. Spell the shit out. If you're too lazy to do a detailed resume each time then you're too lazy to perform well at the new job.

8/19/2011 11:10:22 AM

I don't care what anyone on this thread says, if it directly applies to the job, it can go over a page. You don't have the be a PhD or MD or some shit to have a resume that goes over one page. It never failed me. I still get calls today after having a job for many months now about my resume and asking me am I still looking.

Basically just do you, you will get a job.

And, dude I'll write and format you a resume that will get you some callbacks, for $40. Guaranteed.

[Edited on August 19, 2011 at 11:20 AM. Reason : /]

8/19/2011 11:15:55 AM

IMO,its not about getting calls about your resume or even an introductory phone call from HR, its about getting in front of the hiring manager if there is one job out there that you want. a tailored resume is more likely to do that every time.

8/19/2011 11:59:23 AM

If HR calls you jackass its about setting you up with the hiring manager ... I am just saying you are STILL in school, I have been working since 2005, that shit they tell you in school about a resume is rubbish.

[Edited on August 19, 2011 at 12:24 PM. Reason : /]

8/19/2011 12:23:25 PM

you're an idiot. I mean like really fucking dumb. If an HR manager calls you about your resume its not about setting up a meeting with the manager its about getting a first read on you before they pass your information along. you can have the best conversation ever with HR but if the manager sees the resume and doesnt see what he wants he'll just say no dice and move right along. like you, i've been out of school for over half a decade but unlike you im at a professional level where those hiring me dont have the sort of free time to mess around with more than 2 or 3 candidates.

OP if you want to be out of college for years and want to post for entry level jobs even though you have many years of experience listen to dickless but if you want something mid level or up then I'd go with what a bunch of others in here have said.

8/19/2011 1:21:48 PM

Haha, do you have a job? If not, then you have NO idea what the hell you are talking about. I have NEVER gotten a call from HR without getting an interview. Maybe some staffing agencies might call to 'pre-screen' you but even then there is like a 95% chance you will have your stuff sent to the hiring manager, and more than likely you will get an interview.

I guess the bottom line is that I have job and know what I need to do to get a job lol. I have been on plenty of interviews, hell I've I even interviewed for two different jobs with two differnet departments at the SAME EXACT time haha. Fuck it.

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"im at a professional level where those hiring me dont have the sort of free time to mess around with more than 2 or 3 candidates"

This is for nearly ANY professional job. Man, you think I am some lame with a bullshit job? Really? HAHAHA

[Edited on August 19, 2011 at 1:38 PM. Reason : /]

8/19/2011 1:33:00 PM

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"I don't care what anyone on this thread says, if it directly applies to the job, it can go over a page. You don't have the be a PhD or MD or some shit to have a resume that goes over one page. "

I do agree with this. If you have enough relevant experience to go over 1 page then a >1 page resume would be great. The problem comes when someone fills a 3 page resume with table waiting and cashier experience...or otherwise irrelevant garbage.

The PhD stuff was just an example of a situation where one person would have loads of experience to a job posting.

But this is crossing into C.V. territory.

[Edited on August 19, 2011 at 1:42 PM. Reason : lkj]

8/19/2011 1:42:00 PM

I understand what you mean, but again, if it DIRECTLY relates, it needs to be presented on your resume. CVs are usually for people with grant money they were awarded, have been published, been on committees, residency experience, etc... A resume for the normal person, no matter how long it is, is a resume and not a CV, but depending on your take it could be some grey area there.

[Edited on August 19, 2011 at 1:46 PM. Reason : /]

8/19/2011 1:45:35 PM

summary does not exist

8/19/2011 1:59:40 PM

I went and asked my buddy who works in HR. His comments were that they do not read cover letters and that you can go over one page if you want but never over three into 3. However, he stated that the first page is KEY.

Also "make sure to include similar statements on the resume, as in the job description". He left for a meeting before I could ask how similar is too similar.


Also seedless I have a job. The difference between yours and mine is that I'm at a level where they need the right candidate and not just a body. You'll see what its like when you stop being a low level grunt
[Edited on August 19, 2011 at 2:19 PM. Reason : misread]

[Edited on August 19, 2011 at 2:21 PM. Reason : .]

8/19/2011 2:15:41 PM

HAHAHAHA, man I love how you know what I do! But anyway, there is no point in insulting another person's job here since I don't know what you do and you don't know what i do; I have not insulted your employment, and its childlike for you to do so. I know how to get an interview and get a job and apparently you do too. I got plenty of valuable experience and I use it everyday, and have worked several jobs in totally different environments. I get calls at least once a week asking am I interested in having my materials forwarded to the hiring manager.

[Edited on August 19, 2011 at 2:27 PM. Reason : /]

8/19/2011 2:23:31 PM

no reason to get defensive seedless

8/19/2011 2:32:33 PM

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"I get calls at least once a week asking am I interested in having my materials forwarded to the hiring manager."

internet tough guy, i call bullshit on that. if so you must love your job so much that you just cant resist staying there. either that or the call backs youre getting are for shitty ass jobs you dont want.

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"have worked several jobs in totally different environments"

sounds like inconsistent work experience to me. explains why youre constantly at entry level roles.

8/19/2011 2:33:27 PM

HAHAHA, man you are just like a bitch, you go on and on and on and on and on...... making no point whatsoever.

I am just astounded that you keep hollering entry level like you know me or what I do. You really sound like a jealous girl man, please stop it LOL.

And apparently uou are posting on TWW while you are at work, that's really a bullshit job you go right there jajajaja, you clown.

[Edited on August 19, 2011 at 2:40 PM. Reason : /]

8/19/2011 2:36:35 PM

dont be offended, that dude dont know you

8/19/2011 2:47:50 PM

I mean if we really want to get into it I could ask my relative who works HR for NASA

[Edited on August 19, 2011 at 2:48 PM. Reason : sadf]

8/19/2011 2:48:06 PM

I think the take away from this thread is that there's no set way to apply for jobs, and questions like these are better answered in this thread message_topic.aspx?topic=551880 where people can be helpful without all the name calling and sniping.

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"I need to use a few keywords but im drawing a blank on how to present it all."

I suggest posting the job description for us, a bit of your professional experience and what your goals are. I'm sure there's someone on here in your field who can help you come up with keywords and how to present it in a cover letter/resume.

8/19/2011 2:53:16 PM

Geppetto and ThePeter spitting truth ITT.

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"and most online systems dont even require you submit a cover letter. im sure HR does not read them and only scans the resume. "

HR only bothers to read them if your resume includes enough buzzwords from their job description to warrant it. These days a lot of the larger companies basically just ctrl+f your resume to find the shit they want in it.

I remember back in my day when I was having to go over resumes for scheduling interviews, you were lucky if the resume got a 30-second glance. Our recruitment head wouldn't even bother looking at your resume if it was over a page. Her thinking was if you can't be concise enough to get it all done in one page you weren't a good fit for the company.

It really just boils down to being as clear and to the point as possible, and also playing with your font and margin sizes to maximize your white space while still keeping it clean looking.

And SAVE YOUR RESUME AS A PDF. I can't count the number of times we would receive a Word document or some other format where the formatting would go haywire when opened on our computer so we'd just chuck the resume.

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"I do agree with this. If you have enough relevant experience to go over 1 page then a >1 page resume would be great. The problem comes when someone fills a 3 page resume with table waiting and cashier experience...or otherwise irrelevant garbage. "

Yes this. And like I said, these days with 99% of people viewing resumes electronically, being at 1.5 pages isn't as big of a deal, but you damn well better make sure every single thing on those 1.5 pages is directly relevant to the position you're applying for. Nobody in HR care that you volunteer at the soup kitchen unless you're applying for a job at an NGO that organizes soup kitchens.

[Edited on August 19, 2011 at 4:00 PM. Reason : a]

8/19/2011 3:56:23 PM

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"And SAVE YOUR RESUME AS A PDF. "

QFT

8/19/2011 4:48:21 PM

Depending on industry and experiance over one page is fine. I just had to update minw and there was no way to even cover the company i worked for and stay on one page (worked one three diferant teams each). Be consise but if your related history is over a page dont worry.

8/19/2011 11:51:22 PM