Quote :

"Introduced in select markets last year, the Volt is the most anticipated car from General Motors in years. It is expected to reverse the fortune of the cash-strapped automotive giant, out-compete foreign competitors and prove that plug-in cars are viable to a nation of wary motorists."

Listen.

There is no good news that comes out of switching from gas cars to electric cars.
If all cars were electric, I couldn't even IMAGINE what power is going to cost if 300,000,000 cars have to charge on a daily basis. The power grids are already stressed and old, we'd have to spend a shitload of money just to rebuild it. We'd have to build more and more nuclear plants which increases the chance of a nuclear meltdown. The whole idea of electric cars is retarded.


By the time everyone switches to electric, gas will be probably 10 cents a gallon since cars don't use gas anymore. The fuel cells will easily cost to replace what I spend on gas all year long.


Electric cars are not the solution (at least until my CURRENT power bill drops from $900 to $10). $900 electric bills are already too high, and electric cars are going to make it worse.

9/16/2011 11:01:07 PM

revolutionary ideas ITT

9/16/2011 11:04:48 PM

my electric bill is about $60 a month

9/16/2011 11:06:03 PM

Quote :

"General Motors announced that the 2012 Volt standard features will include a passive remote keyless access with passive locking allowing the car to automatically lock and unlock with the key fob in close proximity of vehicle;"

Jesus christ our society is pathetic.

9/16/2011 11:12:22 PM

I think I need pants that unzip themselves, grab my fly, and aim when I urinate.

9/16/2011 11:13:25 PM

i'm really looking forward to auto-seatbelts coming back into style

9/16/2011 11:17:02 PM

I can't begin to tell you how many automatic seatbelts fucked up over time.

Any electronic or mechanical part you can think of is prone to failure given age.


That's why I have faith in older cars and it's why older cars are still around.

9/16/2011 11:19:00 PM

Cars would charge overnight, when grids are not stressed. In addition, the new generation reactors are much safer if you are worrying about that.

9/16/2011 11:38:25 PM

Don't be naive.


Nothing is accident proof.

9/16/2011 11:39:34 PM

Quote :

"Cars would charge overnight, when grids are not stressed. "

9/16/2011 11:40:21 PM

9/17/2011 1:39:09 PM

9/17/2011 2:01:27 PM

i'm just going to stay out of this

9/17/2011 2:09:30 PM

Quote :

"YOUR FRIED MAKES"

9/17/2011 2:11:34 PM

^


You got caught being trolled.

9/17/2011 2:24:47 PM

k

9/17/2011 2:40:48 PM

Quote :

"Any electronic or mechanical part you can think of is prone to failure given age. That's why I have faith in older cars and it's why older cars are still around."

hahahahahahahahaha

9/17/2011 2:43:55 PM

its a bad idea but clearly you have no knowledge of engineering and should stfu


There is a reason why but none of the ones you mentioned.... are that reason.

9/17/2011 2:44:40 PM

Quote :

" There is a reason why but none of the ones you mentioned.... are that reason."

The reasons I wrote are not rocket science and they are true at the most elementary level. You don't even have to look deep for more reasons when the reasons on the surface illustrate the failure in a way that can't be argued.

elementary level 1+1 = 2 engineer level 1+3-2*2/2-1 = 2

Why the hell would you go to the engineer level when the elementary level takes you to the same god damn answer

9/17/2011 2:53:08 PM

Quote :

"As GM share prices plunge so do Chevy Volt sales, according to the latest auto sales figures. Throughout July, a whopping 125 Chevy Volts were sold, making the seemingly low 281 units sold in February a groundbreaking month."

9/17/2011 2:56:32 PM

^^ because your elementry level is wrong and has no understanding of what really will happen


90% will be charged on off peak hours... (no big deal because your office/ place of business uses more energy then your car would) which means everything geniousboy said... fucking stupid.

and gas drivers will have to be forced to electric... meaning either gas prices will go up or there will be emissions taxes that will make it not worthwhile to buy gas powered cars.


[Edited on September 17, 2011 at 3:03 PM. Reason : .]

9/17/2011 3:01:30 PM

You successfully face-palmed the economist side of my brain. gg.

9/17/2011 3:03:29 PM

So you're suggesting

1) That energy is cheaper to produce at night
2) People don't travel at night
3) People don't come home at 5pm and plug in their cars

I'm just going to stop there because that is enough to shove a chevy volt in your argument's ass.

9/17/2011 3:05:19 PM

Quote :

"I'm just going to stop there because that is enough to shove a chevy volt in your argument's ass. I know it's a flawed, simplified view of the argument but I'm trolling."

9/17/2011 3:10:25 PM

You've yet to tell me how it's flawed. Keep bringing the lulz... surely they are lulz right?

9/17/2011 3:12:16 PM

Air conditions don't run at night either because the sun is off hours.



lulz

9/17/2011 3:13:08 PM

and i'm going to suggest that there will be a 1 hour period where both buildings are running and cars are charging (which is an over estimate because it will probably be less than 30 minutes)

less then 10% will travel at night.


and energy is WAAAYYY Cheaper at night because no one uses it at night...

Listen... you sell pizza and i design building systems and do energy audits... which one of us do you really think has a better handle of how energy is used.


BTW as a business owner if you don't know your power is cheaper at night you are a bigger fucking idiot then i thought.

9/17/2011 3:13:51 PM

1) Marginal cost curves.
2) Proportionally, they don't.
3) Smart infrastructure.

9/17/2011 3:13:51 PM

Quote :

"BTW as a business owner if you don't know your power is cheaper at night you are a bigger fucking idiot then i thought."

I'm like dancing in my chair over this one. Someone is wrong on the internet and I can't wait to smack them down. You have 3 minutes to apologize or else I'm never going to let you live this down.

9/17/2011 3:23:36 PM

i said i'm staying out of it

[Edited on September 17, 2011 at 3:29 PM. Reason : stay out]

9/17/2011 3:26:44 PM

^^what the fuck are you babbling about?

[Edited on September 17, 2011 at 3:27 PM. Reason : -]

9/17/2011 3:27:14 PM

9/17/2011 3:35:39 PM

oohh you're either too dumb or too small to get off-peak rates at night...

9/17/2011 3:37:03 PM

Quote :

"Listen. There is no good news that comes out of switching from gas cars to electric cars. If all cars were electric, I couldn't even IMAGINE what power is going to cost if 300,000,000 cars have to charge on a daily basis. The power grids are already stressed and old, we'd have to spend a shitload of money just to rebuild it. We'd have to build more and more nuclear plants which increases the chance of a nuclear meltdown. The whole idea of electric cars is retarded. By the time everyone switches to electric, gas will be probably 10 cents a gallon since cars don't use gas anymore. The fuel cells will easily cost to replace what I spend on gas all year long. Electric cars are not the solution (at least until my CURRENT power bill drops from $900 to $10). $900 electric bills are already too high, and electric cars are going to make it worse."

you sir are a dumbass in more ways than can be physically counted. holy fucking fuck. shut the fuck up with your outlandish opinions and keep burning gas like a dumbass while i go out and invest in solar panels and an electric car and shoot the finger to your dumbhick ass day after day until your flesh burns from the face of this earth.

you stupid fucking fuck. renewable tidal/solar/geothermal/wind + electric cars is about the only fucking way we can reverse global warming you piece of shit.

go to hell. people like you are the whole reason there are problems on this planet

9/17/2011 3:38:47 PM

Quote :

"i'm thinking the overall problem is not whether an electric car is a dumb idea, but where are we getting our energy from in general and how we are storing it"

DING DING DING.


also, we all have cellphones and they can't get the battery right on it. They don't last long enough. There isn't one day that goes by that I have someone charging their phone at my store. I have a whole collection of chargers that people left behind. If you think cars won't have this problem over time, then you're in for a rude awakening.

also, the more you use a battery, the more energy you drain. it takes time to charge. gas fills in 3 minutes and last a week. 1 charge takes 2 hours and lasts 25 miles.

also, we all have laptops and the batteries suck fucking ass in as little as 3 months.



also, we have a simple batteries that supplies simple energy to our cars right now and they fucking have piss poor lifespans and reliability. Especially in the extreme winter. They have to offer warranties in order for people to feel safe buying batteries because of their unreliable nature.

also, rechargeable batteries lose life over time too, meaning you can't predict how much power is left.
My laptop says 100% charged, 1 hour of life left. but it'll decimate in 35 minutes. Fuck that shit. Power from batteries do not emit energy uniformed, the emitted energy decreases over time. That is a motherfucking parabolic equation, not a linear equation.

[Edited on September 17, 2011 at 3:46 PM. Reason : .]

9/17/2011 3:41:29 PM

Quote :

"you sir are a dumbass in more ways than can be physically counted. holy fucking fuck. shut the fuck up with your outlandish opinions and keep burning gas like a dumbass while i go out and invest in solar panels and an electric car and shoot the finger to your dumbhick ass day after day until your flesh burns from the face of this earth. you stupid fucking fuck. renewable tidal/solar/geothermal/wind + electric cars is about the only fucking way we can reverse global warming you piece of shit. go to hell. people like you are the whole reason there are problems on this planet"

So I read your opinion piece and I cut out any irrelevant information. In bold is the only clue as to why you're mad and you're arguing that

1) You're clearly trying to fight global warming, when clearly this thread is about ending dependance on oil and reviving an American car manufacturer.

9/17/2011 3:45:14 PM

Nuke works too...


but the problem is that 80% of the country is still powered by coal...

yep.... that's gonna help a lot... fossil fuels to... fossil fuels... yep that's what we need to switch too.

9/17/2011 3:57:50 PM

(not to mention another 30% energy loss during charging)

9/17/2011 3:58:36 PM

^^^and therefore you throw your support out the window for something that supports that renewable structure?

just to shit on your parade more. i happen to run my home on solar power. all i have to do now is pick up a tesla model s and clown all over your shit and laugh even harder. it will help to get another 40 panels. (already have 40) (~5kw system)




[Edited on September 17, 2011 at 3:59 PM. Reason : .]

9/17/2011 3:58:52 PM

If you run your house on photo voltaics... you too are an idiot.


your panels will be lucky to pay for themselves and silver nitrate... yep that's more poisonous then lead acid batteries.

9/17/2011 4:00:39 PM

Quote :

"I have a whole collection of chargers that people left behind. If you think cars won't have this problem over time, then you're in for a rude awakening."

Yes, I'm sure people will leave their built in charging cables behind

Quote :

"1 charge takes 2 hours and lasts 25 miles."

Please show me where you are getting your information.

9/17/2011 4:00:48 PM

Quote :

"Yes, I'm sure people will leave their built in charging cables behind "

That's not the point. That is the least of all the points.

Quote :

"Please show me where you are getting your information."

Range

Monroney label showing EPA's fuel economy and environmental comparison label for the 2011 Chevrolet Volt

According to General Motors the Volt's all-electric range with a fully charged batteries varies from 25 to 50 miles (40 to 80 km) depending on terrain, driving technique, temperature.[9][63] The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) official all-electric range is 35 miles (56 km) with an energy consumption of 36 kWh per 100 miles (810 kJ/km). This range is based on the agency's five-cycle tests using varying driving conditions and climate controls. The total range with a full tank of gasoline and a fully charged battery is 379 miles (610 km) according to EPA tests.[64][65]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevy_volt

Scroll down about 30% under "range"

9/17/2011 4:04:48 PM

dude, the Volt is a fucking hybrid and is not designed to go longer distances on electricity alone

The Tesla Roadster, according to wiki:

Quote :

"According to the U.S. EPA, the Roadster can travel 244 miles (393 km) on a single charge[12] of its lithium-ion battery pack"

[Edited on September 17, 2011 at 4:10 PM. Reason : quotes]

[Edited on September 17, 2011 at 4:11 PM. Reason : i'm done with this troll]

9/17/2011 4:08:38 PM

All batteries run great when they're brand new


and it doesn't solve the energy crisis


[Edited on September 17, 2011 at 4:31 PM. Reason : .]

9/17/2011 4:29:30 PM

Wow. GeniuSxBoY, for a guy who does hiring you surprisingly sound like a dumbass.

Quote :

"Listen. There is no good news that comes out of switching from gas cars to electric cars. "

What, you mean like a decrease in air pollution?

Quote :

" If all cars were electric, I couldn't even IMAGINE what power is going to cost if 300,000,000 cars have to charge on a daily basis. The power grids are already stressed and old, we'd have to spend a shitload of money just to rebuild it. "

I would think that if electric cars caught on, then power companies would consider it a wise investment to redesign their power grids to accommodate the massive increase in customers. I would also think that the increase in abundance of consumers would also lead to the increase in the abundance of available power, which would drop the cost per kWh. Sure, you'd pay more for power, but it wouldn't be the bank-breaking move you think it would be.

Quote :

" We'd have to build more and more nuclear plants which increases the chance of a nuclear meltdown. "

What is wrong with nuclear power plants? Nuclear energy is safe, clean, and very efficient. In the past thirty years, there have only been two meltdown incidents: Fukushima and Chernobyl, both of which were preventable (well, the Fukushima incident involved natural disasters over which the people involved in that disaster had no control over, but they most definitely fucked up in their attempts to react). Nuclear plants are exhaustively built to reduce the risk of meltdown any way they can with several layers of foundation serving some kind of mitigating function.

Quote :

" The whole idea of electric cars is retarded. By the time everyone switches to electric, gas will be probably 10 cents a gallon since cars don't use gas anymore. The fuel cells will easily cost to replace what I spend on gas all year long. "

Once again, you're making the supposition that "everyone switches to electric", wherein the cost of the batteries and their fuel cells will drop to accommodate all of the customers. People aren't going to buy the Volt or electric cars at all if they have to drop tons of cash on the battery; it has to be able to compete with regular cars. Although I think it's retarded to assume gas would drop to 10 cents a gallon (since the demand for gas extends far beyond automotive purposes), you would probably still have the option of using gasoline as a fuel source so you win either way.

Quote :

" Electric cars are not the solution (at least until my CURRENT power bill drops from $900 to $10). $900 electric bills are already too high, and electric cars are going to make it worse."

I don't think the average person's power bill is 900 dollars so I don't think this is a good argument at all. I don't know what exactly you do for a living but it sounds like you might be fucking up just a little bit if you have a power bill that high.

9/17/2011 4:54:24 PM

if we can hack the universe, we can make this thing work

9/17/2011 5:02:54 PM

ITT, GeniuSxBoY wishes he was born in the 1660s.

9/17/2011 5:05:22 PM

42

9/17/2011 5:19:55 PM

Just think pizza boy, one day you will not have to hire staff as all of them will be robots...save you $$$$ (well, until they break down, burn pizza, piss off customers, etc).

9/17/2011 5:53:28 PM

Quote :

"engineer level 1+3-2*2/2-1 = 2"

please don't insult engineers by claiming we do math incorrectly. the answer to that math problem is 1.

9/17/2011 6:20:38 PM