let that sink in

9/24/2011 1:59:18 PM

it already sunk in... they've been talking about it on the radio for the last month


even have a special station on XM set up for honoring this

9/24/2011 2:01:39 PM

BURN!

9/24/2011 2:02:07 PM

well then nevermind. geez.

9/24/2011 2:02:14 PM

I only listen to sports talk radio

9/24/2011 2:02:23 PM

What's sadder than how old that makes me feel is that pretty much nothing has been released in the last decade that people will view as a landmark 20 years from now.

9/24/2011 2:04:36 PM

i blame computers

9/24/2011 2:16:51 PM

I'm sooo old.

9/24/2011 2:17:55 PM

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"What's sadder than how old that makes me feel is that pretty much nothing has been released in the last decade that people will view as a landmark 20 years from now."

This is not even close to being true.

The Strokes - Is This It
Arcade Fire - Funeral
LCD Soundsystem - Sound of Silver
Amy Winehouse - Back to Black
The Avalanches - Since I Left You

Those are albums that will be stone cold classics off the top of my head, and I didn't even include stuff from 2000 like Kid A or Heartbreaker.

[Edited on September 24, 2011 at 3:48 PM. Reason : marko's so smart]

9/24/2011 3:38:09 PM

go ahead and list a couple so this thread can skip some steps

9/24/2011 3:39:59 PM

nevermind what

9/24/2011 3:40:30 PM

^^^I will have to disagree with almost every single choice there...

just cause they are in your favorite cd's bin, does not mean they will be as influential as Nirvana was.

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"After signing to major label DGC Records, Nirvana found unexpected success with "Smells Like Teen Spirit", the first single from the band's second album Nevermind (1991). Nirvana's sudden success widely popularized alternative rock as a whole, and as the band's frontman Cobain found himself referred to in the media as the "spokesman of a generation", with Nirvana being considered the "flagship band" of Generation X.[1] Nirvana's third studio album In Utero (1993), challenged the group's audience, featuring an abrasive, less-mainstream sound."

That is just from the wiki page, but I don't think you will see anyone (other than some plaid wearing, fixie riding pbr sipping hipster) trying to say these kinda things about any of those albums. Not trying to say any of those albums aren't any good (I can think of about 50 albums I have that I like more than any nirvana album), I'm just saying they are not as important.

[Edited on September 24, 2011 at 3:59 PM. Reason : but then again, this is opinion based, and everyone has their own...]

9/24/2011 3:53:12 PM

and you would be wrong

9/24/2011 3:57:36 PM

read my edit- it's ok to like those bands, but if I haven't even heard of them, then they can't possibly stand up (everyone under 30 new of nirvana after that album and up to 10 years later)


you are confusing taste with influence here

9/24/2011 4:00:16 PM

landmark albums /= influential albums

9/24/2011 4:02:38 PM

I understand what you're saying, but we live in a world where very few musicians garner spots in the cultural consciousness today, and almost none of them are in rock bands.

Example: Arcade Fire, arguably the biggest rock band in the world, caused a stir when they won Album of the Year at the Grammys because "no one" knew who they were.

The only musicians with a spot in mainstream cultural consciousness right now are Lady Gaga, Kanye, and Jay-Z. It's not Amy Winehouse's fault that no one gives a shit about music any more.

9/24/2011 4:05:00 PM

there is no way you are going to convince me otherwise on this- none of those bands hold a candle to what Nirvana did to music during their time


Curt Cobain couldn't read sheet music- I am readily admitting he wasn't as talented as the other, but what they did as a group for music is undeniable, and to argue that- well that is just silly.

[Edited on September 24, 2011 at 4:07 PM. Reason : it is a matter of opinion issue anyway, so whatevs- enjoy music! it's what it is there for!]

9/24/2011 4:05:48 PM

The Beatles couldn't read sheet music. Most of the shredhead assholes that had their careers killed by Kurt Cobain couldn't read sheet music.

What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

9/24/2011 4:07:20 PM

talent vs success

I'm saying that some of your groups are more talented, but not as influential

9/24/2011 4:08:05 PM

I didn't say anything about talent. Also, Kurt Cobain was a supremely talented songwriter. He was just a shitty guitar player, and no one cares how good your guitar playing is if your songs are brilliant.

No one today is going to be as influential as Nirvana, because the music industry doesn't work the way it did in 1991.

MTV doesn't play videos any more.

Radio station rotations are 45 songs instead of 125, and have almost no regional diversity.

And most of all, anyone in the world can listen to absolutely anything they want at a moment's notice, so how the hell would any one band gain the influence that a single entity had when it was the driving force of a media machine that reached everyone?

The two are not comparable, so the only way we can compare them is in musical legacy, and you can be damn sure that in 2026, people will still talk about what an amazing album Back to Black is.

Back to cultural relevance: Kanye is known to folks in music and entertainment circles and as a rapper and producer, but he's known to your mom as that guy who interrupted Taylor Swift. Music doesn't hold the place it once did in an internet-centric society where drunken heiresses get more press than political debates.

9/24/2011 4:11:41 PM

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"Example: Arcade Fire, arguably the biggest rock band in the world"

MUST. NOT. FALL. FOR. TROLL.

9/24/2011 4:12:24 PM

god I fucking love Kanye

9/24/2011 4:16:16 PM

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"what few people that still pay attention to music people will still talk about what an amazing album Back to Black is."

nobody listens to albums anymore

[Edited on September 24, 2011 at 4:20 PM. Reason : .]

9/24/2011 4:19:47 PM

...which is exactly my point. A band will never have the influence of Nirvana again, because no one listens to albums any more. Therefore, to discount a band's importance because they're not as big as Nirvana, in a world where no one is, is an unfair thing to do.

9/24/2011 4:22:49 PM

While unfair to modern bands, it is the reality of things...

9/24/2011 4:24:42 PM

I'm just gonna go ahead and say you're both right in different ways, because you are, and it's my thread

9/24/2011 4:27:24 PM

I guess I'll just throw historical context for everything out the window, then.

Make no mistake, there will be grand tributes to albums recorded in the past decade as they pass anniversaries.

You might not see them, but you also don't listen to a lot of music...because you haven't heard of the fucking STROKES.

I won't debate that no record will have the influence of Nevermind in the future, but watch the VMAs from the year before Is This It came out, and the year after. The entire landscape shifted around the Strokes.

9/24/2011 4:31:51 PM

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"This is not even close to being true. The Strokes - Is This It Arcade Fire - Funeral LCD Soundsystem - Sound of Silver Amy Winehouse - Back to Black The Avalanches - Since I Left You"

Maybe your own personal landmarks, but none of those came close to reaching as many people in the way it did as "Nevermind."

9/24/2011 4:59:52 PM

way to read the thread

9/24/2011 5:01:08 PM

It's a good thing you stopped reading there. Otherwise I never would've considered that.

9/24/2011 5:01:19 PM

^Why waste my time?

9/24/2011 5:01:29 PM

I mean you're already wasting it by posting in it

9/24/2011 5:02:15 PM

nevermind

9/24/2011 5:02:45 PM

nevermind is officially too old for me to fuck

9/24/2011 5:33:15 PM

^usorite.jpg

9/24/2011 5:54:56 PM

I look like I haven't aged a day since it's release

9/24/2011 5:57:42 PM

Quote :

"IT IS RELEASE"

9/24/2011 5:58:39 PM

9/24/2011 6:21:17 PM

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".because you haven't heard of the fucking STROKES. "

lol I do know of them (and arcade fire and winehouse)- I'm just saying, they aren't across the spectrum relevant (and I will agree that is due to the ease of access of different types of music, broad ranges of styles being easier to produce, etc...)


but it is what it is





... I hope that someone tries to make fun of me using that phrase

9/24/2011 8:18:09 PM

Funeral is absolutely a landmark record of this decade.

i can't even fathom how people find that to be debatable unless you are marginally paying attention to music the last ten years.

9/24/2011 8:21:25 PM

Nirvana is my husband's favorite band of all time

Nevermind came out when he was 15 years old. Damn, he old.

Palladia played "Nirvana: Live at The Paramount" last night. Its from 1991 before they released Nevermind. They might be showing it again sometime soon. Its channel 567 on DirecTV, not sure what it is on TWC

9/24/2011 8:37:59 PM

Quote :

"because no one listens to albums any more."

What does "no one" mean in this context? "Some point don't"? "Most people don't"? I'd say I exclusively listen to albums; I don't listen to a band's singles on their own without listening to the whole album.

9/24/2011 8:42:45 PM

In honor of this momentous anniversary, TWW females should do their best cover art imitation photo of themselves

9/24/2011 8:44:38 PM

brett arguing about music is funny to me

and Back to Black will definitely be remembered in 20 yrs...especially since she died young. death does that.

9/24/2011 9:23:40 PM

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"and Back to Black will definitely be remembered in 20 yrs...especially since she died young. death does that."

If she's remembered for anything (and she won't be), she'd be remembered for being the singer whose most popular song was about saying no to rehab and then proceeded to die from a drug overdose.

And to steal a page (or well, half a page, from Chuck Klosterman):

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"The life and death of Kurt Cobain has been (almost without rival) the most poorly remembered cultural event of my lifetime. It’s normal for someone’s death to change how we recall what a celebrity was like, but the situation with Cobain is more complex; this is a situation in which a celebrity died, and many private citizens – including countless individuals who were wholly unconnected to Kurt or Seattle or grunge or even popular music – suddenly chose to remember themselves in a completely different way. Kurt Cobain didn’t need to die in order to get integrity, because he already had it. However, his dying seemed to give total strangers a sense of integrity they had never wanted while he was alive."

9/24/2011 9:49:27 PM

Quote :

"What does "no one" mean in this context?"

I just knew some nitwit was gonna do this, its called hyperbole

9/24/2011 9:55:03 PM

Nirvana will go down as the greatest alternative band of all time.

However, Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness is the soundtrack for Generation X.

9/24/2011 10:16:47 PM

for those of us in our early thirties (to varying degrees) this is one of the defining albums of our teen years.

still my all time favorite band.

i didn't see this thread originally, and posted something similar in old school, but man, I feel lucky to have been a teenager in the early 90s for the music alone.. back when no one gave a shit how popular or obscure a band was.

[Edited on September 24, 2011 at 10:28 PM. Reason : .]

9/24/2011 10:27:47 PM

been listening to "Breed" a bunch this week

older me appreciates it more than younger me

10/1/2011 1:29:56 AM

also, this:

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"If she's remembered for anything (and she won't be)"

is so fucking wrong it's mind boggling

10/1/2011 1:31:47 AM